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Bill Goldman Was So Right

If you have a little time and are interested, the good folks at Slate spent some column inches today touting an economic study of the film industry that defines the phrase “knowing everything and understanding nothing.”
Okay, I take it back. They don’t come close to knowing everything.
The study, “The Motion Picture Industry: Critical Issues in Practice, Current Research & New Research Directions,” is here as a pdf file.
And if you can hear A.O. Scott spinning in his desk chair, it’s not your imagination. Anyone who loves movies has to hate this absurd paper and anyone who wants to sell movies better be careful before they talk themselves into going this far into the “movies as product” hell zone… they might mock Pluto Nash, but it is the thinking that this paper suggests that actually does explain how that film got made.
What do you think?

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14 Responses to “Bill Goldman Was So Right”

  1. Lota says:

    that 55 pages could have been said in 2 pages, but then this is what grant money gets spent on (or the justification for it).
    Theoretical stuff often doesn’t translate to real business. But it’s better than any sleeping pill on the market. goodnight. ZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz

  2. Movies For Pleasure says:

    I think that your appreciation of this paper will depend on where you stand. If you think of movies as products then you can appreciate some of the points raised here. However, if you think of movies as art then you will not appreciate the paper.
    The reason why some studio chiefs would appreciate this research paper is because they are businessmen and are interested in products that enhance the bottom line.
    As for Lota’s comment, theoretical does translate into practical, it just forms the basis of what the practical is. Theoretical produces the practical while the practical enhances the theoretical. You just don’t see the theoretical because its hidden beneath the practical.

  3. bicycle bob says:

    that was more boring than the ending to AI

  4. LesterFreed says:

    I don’t appreciate any of the points they raised. Considering I barely got through the first page I guess thats okay.

  5. Terence D says:

    It is more of a bland theory thing. Nothing new there.

  6. Joe Leydon says:

    I’ve been waiting for Dave to rant and rave and call the Associated Press all sorts of names for its poll regarding moviegoing habits. But, then again, maybe he’s too busy at the roulette wheels to read stuff like this:
    “Three-fourths of Americans say they would just as soon watch a movie at home… While 73 percent said they preferred staying home to watch movies on DVD, videotape or pay-per-view, 22 percent said they would rather see them at a movie theater, according to the poll conducted for The Associated Press and AOL News by Ipsos.”
    “From the early 1990s through 2002, box-office grosses climbed steadily as studios perfected their blockbuster marketing machines and cinema chains built new theaters with improved seating, sound systems and other amenities. Ticket sales reached a modern peak of 1.63 billion in 2002 and have fallen since, down to 1.51 billion in 2004.”
    There’s a smattering of good news, along with an acknowledgement that “Passion of the Christ” skewed the figures for 2004. Over all, though.. well, read for yourselves.
    http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=493&e=3&u=/ap/20050617/ap_en_mo/movies_ap_aol_poll

  7. joefitz84 says:

    He is at the Cathouse. Did he finally take those poker sites on their word and use them?

  8. viktor says:

    “knowing everything and understanding nothing” that’s precisely what Fritz Lang said he felt like answering to the people (especially the students) who annoyed him with questions about his recipes for film-making:
    “What you don’t get you’ll never understand it” (it’s a line from Faust).

  9. Joe Leydon says:

    Viktor: Or, as we say in my hometown of New Orleans — Some people, if they don’t know, you can’t tell them.

  10. RDP says:

    Why rant and rave about that article with the poll? Since it has no preceding poll to tell us how attitudes have shifted (if they have), then there’s no way to tell if it’s a trend or more of the same…. Of course, I guess that could be the rant, huh?
    I did think that was a good article since it did mention both the potential oddity that was The Passion of the Christ while also mentioning the slowing of DVD sales (or maybe that was another article I read). At any rate, there didn’t seem to be the same sky-is-falling rhetoric as in many other articles/columns on the box office slump.

  11. L&DB says:

    I dont buy that AP poll a damn bit. Poll results can be distorted anyway the poll givers want them to. That 73% just smells a bit to me. Since, of course, many of us see more movies at home. Due to us having 400 cable/sat channels that are always, at some point show a film. Even if I go to the theatre 52 weeks a year. Surely I see more flicks at home than at a theatre. Polls like this are used all the time for the press to make a point, but these points are usually made off of faulty or obvious logic in these polls. I mean, didnt exit polls tell us some guy named Kerry easily had won the last election?

  12. jeffmcm says:

    Insert Joefitz bashing of Kerry/the media/whoever he feels like here.

  13. Angelus21 says:

    Exit polls are just that. Just polls. Polls don’t tell a whole story.

  14. L&DB says:

    You tell’em guy who banged Drusilla and Darla!

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