BBM Inspired Stamps From Conan O'Brien
(If you can’t read the middle one, it’s “The Lion, The Witch & the Perfectly Coordinated Wardrobe”)
April 16, 2024
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It shows how out of it I was in trying to be in it, acknowledging that I was out of it to myself, and then thinking, “Okay, how do I stop being out of it? Well, I get some legitimate illogical narrative ideas” — some novel, you know?
So I decided on three writers that I might be able to option their material and get some producer, or myself as producer, and then get some writer to do a screenplay on it, and maybe make a movie.
And so the three projects were “Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep,” “Naked Lunch” and a collection of Bukowski. Which, in 1975, forget it — I mean, that was nuts. Hollywood would not touch any of that, but I was looking for something commercial, and I thought that all of these things were coming.
There would be no Blade Runner if there was no Ray Bradbury. I couldn’t find Philip K. Dick. His agent didn’t even know where he was. And so I gave up.
I was walking down the street and I ran into Bradbury — he directed a play that I was going to do as an actor, so we know each other, but he yelled “hi” — and I’d forgot who he was.
So at my girlfriend Barbara Hershey’s urging — I was with her at that moment — she said, “Talk to him! That guy really wants to talk to you,” and I said “No, fuck him,” and keep walking.
But then I did, and then I realized who it was, and I thought, “Wait, he’s in that realm, maybe he knows Philip K. Dick.” I said, “You know a guy named—” “Yeah, sure — you want his phone number?”
My friend paid my rent for a year while I wrote, because it turned out we couldn’t get a writer. My friends kept on me about, well, if you can’t get a writer, then you write.”
~ Hampton Fancher
“That was the most disappointing thing to me in how this thing was played. Is that I’m on the phone with you now, after all that’s been said, and the fundamental distinction between what James is dealing with in these other cases is not actually brought to the fore. The fundamental difference is that James Franco didn’t seek to use his position to have sex with anyone. There’s not a case of that. He wasn’t using his position or status to try to solicit a sexual favor from anyone. If he had — if that were what the accusation involved — the show would not have gone on. We would have folded up shop and we would have not completed the show. Because then it would have been the same as Harvey Weinstein, or Les Moonves, or any of these cases that are fundamental to this new paradigm. Did you not notice that? Why did you not notice that? Is that not something notable to say, journalistically? Because nobody could find the voice to say it. I’m not just being rhetorical. Why is it that you and the other critics, none of you could find the voice to say, “You know, it’s not this, it’s that”? Because — let me go on and speak further to this. If you go back to the L.A. Times piece, that’s what it lacked. That’s what they were not able to deliver. The one example in the five that involved an issue of a sexual act was between James and a woman he was dating, who he was not working with. There was no professional dynamic in any capacity.
~ David Simon
That third one is the best. It’s subtle, completely organic, and even a little creepy.
they can make a whole line of these. the george one is classic.
Aslan as Quentin Crisp is funny, but obscure. Aslan as Johnny Weir, now that would be funny and everyone would get it.
Did anyone else notice this line from the Advocate article linked on MCN?
“Talk about breaking down barriers so straight men might feel more at ease to explore their sexuality.”
So, the whole gay rights thing is about increasing the numbers of sex partners for gay men? What? I guess he doesn’t even believe the mantra of homosexuality being genetic and hence not a choice. Religious wackos like to claim that the gay rights movement wants to convert people and lines like this actually make me think the wackos may have a point. As a straight woman, I’d prefer to not have to worry my boyfriend is having sex with men without my knowledge. Most straight women who get AIDS get it because their boyfriends or husbands are schtupping men on the side. It’s already difficult enough in the dating market.
Yes, that is correct lindenen. The ‘whole gay rights thing’ is about getting more man meat on the market. Giving you HIV/AIDS is just a major plus.
No, it isn’t about freedom of choice, religion, requal work rights, equal adoption rights, equal marriage rights, and equal culture rights.
No…
We pretty much just want to give you the AIDS. You’ve found us out. Now prepare to go through the normal Rosemary’s Baby routine, as we hunt down and kill everything around you. Only this time, us cultist accessorize better.
Tofu, did you read the article? Read what he wrote. He may have been unaware how it sounds but that is how it sounds, and this is from someone who is actually pro-equal rights. But he sounds like he’s admitting to what wacko fundamentalists allege. It’s a shocking statement. I don’t want more straight men to “explore”. Is this just one idiot writer or do a substantial number of gay men actually feel this way or want this?
A “What the fuck” response on my part is entirely appropriate.
“Most straight women who get AIDS get it because their boyfriends or husbands are schtupping men on the side.”
Maybe Oprah has given you the wrong impression, but 3/4 of all (presumably straight) women with AIDS live in Sub-Saharan Africa, where it’s not exactly their down-low spouses that are giving them the disease.
If you meant American women, drug use and infected needles is a far more common cause of HIV.
Your worry that your boyfriend is cheating on you seems like an odd thing to blame on gay rights. I had a lot of quibbles with the linked article, but that came out of nowhere.
love the stamp art!
like stamp art in general. a good book for y’all filled with American culture, not least of which is MOVIES :
“The Stamp art and postal History of Michael Thompson & Michael Hernandez de Luna.”
by Bad Press Books
ISBN 0-9677572-1-5
good coffee table book but not for the extremely sensitive.
First of all, I’m confused, because in the article “Homophobia! Hogwash!” from The Advocate on MCN’s front page, I don’t see Lindenen’s referenced quote anywhere. Is there some other Advocate link somewhere?
Second, the point of Brokeback wasn’t that it was a movie about a straight man who got converted; it’s a movie about a bisexual/gay man learning (or not) to express his genuine sexuality. If you’re worried about the hazards of straight men ‘exploring’ then I have one word for you and it ends with ‘phobe’.
These stamps aren’t looked upon as ugly Dave? These stamps aren’t condescending? They don’t mock? They don’t put a group of people down? These stamps are more offending than anything Annie Proulx said! Why don’t we just make some black sambo stamps? Or maybe a stamp depicting a woman bare foot and pregnant in the kithcen? Or maybe a jew in a gas chamber? How would those stamps do? I can take a joke. But I won’t sit silent while being laughed at!
What I’m tired of are str8 people thinking they are the only ones with the right to anything? Maybe we should have separate drinking fountains again. One marked Str8 and the other marked for Homo’s? While I’m at it gays, why do they have to sit in the front of the bus? I mean str8s breed, we should have the front seats, we’re better than gays, Right?
Ya’know I do have gay friends. They’re great for parties or whenever I want to feel superior to someone. It’s great to be str8! I can get married share my life with my wife and not hide, She can share in my benefits, insurance, and when I die, well she gets everything cause we’re str8! Other people who don’t live as I do don’t deserve these things, right?
Forgive me, but sometimes you hetrosexuals just really get to me. You can be so pompous.
“Your worry that your boyfriend is cheating on you seems like an odd thing to blame on gay rights. I had a lot of quibbles with the linked article, but that came out of nowhere.”
No, it didn’t. Read the text. Also, I don’t have a boyfriend right now and no the last one didn’t cheat on me. I have a problem with the author stating that the intention of the gay rights movement is to get more straight people to participate in gay sex. It’s a damning statement.
“Maybe Oprah has given you the wrong impression, but 3/4 of all (presumably straight) women with AIDS live in Sub-Saharan Africa, where it’s not exactly their down-low spouses that are giving them the disease.”
I don’t watch Oprah. In Africa, it’s mainly due to polygamy and using anal sex as birth control. There are also weird tribal customs I’ve read about. For example, putting rocks in a woman’s vagina and then having sex with her. Can you say, pain? Another is the custom of the tribal “cleaner”: a man assigned to have sex with any woman who wants to marry another man if her former husband died. It’s to cleanse the “spirit” of the dead husband or somesuch nonsense. The list goes on. As for American women I’ve read that it is cheating that is the main cause of contracting AIDS among straight women. Lesbians have the lowest rates of contraction of STDs because they have a far lower level of promiscuity than men.
jeffmcm, the article continues to a second page. The referenced quote is toward the end of the second paragraph on the second page. Also, I’m not writing about Brokeback Mountain. As well, the idea that this makes me a phobe is horseshit. Believing the mainstreaming of homosexual sexual activity is not good for society is common fucking sense. It’s fine if gay people do “their thing” or whatever that’s supposed to be, but if such behavior spread to the majority then society would have a big problem. Women competing with other women for men is already nasty enough. Wait till we’re competing with other men for men. Unless society decides to commit suicide, it’ll never really get that far.
If you tell me you really do advocate such a thing, then a lot of your allies are going to vanish, because I am an ally, just not if this is the end result or the intention of the gay rights movement. If gay groups went out and public and claimed such a thing, support for gay marriage would vanish overnight. And not because of phobia but because of the instinct for self-preservation.
“She can share in my benefits, insurance, and when I die, well she gets everything cause we’re str8!”
Gay people can do this as well. I’m really tired of this being presented as being only available to straight people. I call bullshit. It’s called a WILL. Even str8 people get them, dipshit.
It’s called contested! And that’s Mr.Dipshit!
Also a str8 couple doesn’t have to make a will for the other to gain rights to property!
Yeah, and even str8 people have to put up with contested wills.
“We heterosexuals?”
Need I say more?
I guess so…
Don’t you see the difference between humor about culture and an attack on a minority group?
Are you equally offended by the Reuters report this week that BBM is inspiring more films about the gay experience to be greenlit?
I am a strong believer in across the board equal rights for all humans, whether in a sexual minority, a racial minority, a religious minority, etc.
At the very least, if there is an obsessive issue in some states about the idea of “marriage” (which is absurd), there should be a national law requiring the acceptance of civil unions so that committed partners in a relationship can have the legal rights of marriage.
Homophobia expressed in the workplace should be as severely treated as any other act of power imbalance… with the same bar of reasonability as for other groups.
The military should make the permanent adjustment to making gays welcome in the military (though who really wants to be in the military?).
And on and on.
But I still laugh at jokes about stereotypical Jewish behavior and heterosexually male behavior and the behavior of men over 40, like me.
And personally, I would laugh at a piece about new German stamps with one showing jews walking into a shower… a brutal joke, but not on jews.
By your standards, Sarah Silverman should be jailed.
By the way… while I understand Lindenen’s frustration, the truth is that there is built-in legal discrimination against gay couples in much of this country.
The trouble is when a righteous cause, like the demand for marriage or civil union, turns into “fuck all you heteros” stridency. A victim can victimize others. And a victimizer can be victimized. Lots of gray.
Are you seriously asking me to be worried about homosexuality spreading across the general public to the extent that nobody will have children anymore???
There have been dozens, if not hundred or thousands, of cases where a gay partner has not been allowed to inherit property after their partner’s death. Here’s one:
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2005512310342
Not to mention discrimination for health insurance, hospital visitation, etc. etc. For someone who says they’re a gay ally, you don’t seem to have much sympathy for their cause.
I’m talking to Lindenen, not Dave Poland. Just in case.
David, I agree completely with equal rights for gay couples, but when I hear someone write what the author of that piece wrote, I’m taken aback and begin to wonder if I’m being conned.
As for Brokeback, there’s actually been some debate on the internet about whether Brokeback and that new polygamy show whatever it’s called are heterophobic. Interesting times, to say the least.
Do you have a link for these heterophobic discussions?
jeffmcm, have your looked at recent demographic studies? Americans are barely having enough children to replace themselves anymore. The only people reproducing are the Religious Right which should scare the hell out of you and certainly scares the hell out of me. There was even an article in the NYTimes last Saturday about depopulation in some states particularly Vermont because people aren’t having children. The internet is awash in article right now analyzing how Social Security, etc are going to go broke because of people not having enough children.
If my posts were unsympathetic, that might be because you’d just called me a “phobe”. And I never took issue with any of the other statements you made about insurance etc. Just that one. If those people were not allowed to inherit the property, then that was a gross violation of their rights. What happened to them was wrong, but I shouldn’t have to say that. It’s obvious on its face.
No, I’m not really pissed. Just tired of people putting me down right now. Believe me I’ll get over it even before I finish typing this. But it felt good to give a little of it back! If I let things like this bother me, I never would have made it to 40. It’s like Media said “It’s not what people call you, it’s what you answer to.” But it’s nice that you said what you did Dave. All people should be equal. But this is coming from a man with a white mother and a black father. I’m also gay and a Mennonite. So I’ve experienced some different things. And that last post by me was the first time I ever voiced my outrage of some peoples behavior. Take care all.
Here’s one. That’s Andrew Sullivan’s site but the post is not by Andrew SUllivan. And here’s the article from Slate discussing the polygamy show. BTW I don’t know myself whether I agree with that opinion since I haven’t seen it yet. There were other places that discussed this. The Corner at National Review and I’m sure if you hit Google something will come up. It’s google, you can get anything.
So…no links, then?
I am very aware of modern demographics. Aging populations are a bigger problem in Europe and Japan, but not as much in this country because we have so many immigrants.
But lower levels of population growth are due to women spending more of their time in careers and having greater access to family planning…not an any epidemic of homosexuality. I call that blatantly absurd.
So are you retracting your statement about wills and agreeing that legislation is needed to permit inheritance rights?
Aaak. damn no html.
http://www.slate.com/id/2137873/
http://www.andrewsullivan.com/index.php?dish_inc=archives/2006_01_01_dish_archive.html#113621645380532372
No extra legislation should be necessary. They should abide by the last wills and testaments. The law should already be in place to protect gay inheritance rights. They just need to enforce it.
It’s still going to be a huge problem. And no immigrants aren’t filling the hole. We’d have to let in a lot more than we have to fix it, and given how poorly the largest immigrant groups seem to be doing in school, I wouldn’t count on them making enough money to fill the hole. The statistics are atrocious. The usage of things like welfare as well as prison incarceration and drop out rates for some groups increases radically from generation to generation. I believe I’ve even read the average age for immigrants is now in the mid to late 30s. We need much younger, educated immigrants. Europe’s imported lots of immigrants as well and that’s not helping them either. Our immigrants are doing much much better but that’s due to our economic system and not being dumb enough to make the majority of our immigrants illiterate fundamentalist Muslims.
Well, unfortunately, laws _aren’t_ already in place. In the story I linked to, it says that the guy wasn’t able to inherit his partner’s land because, as gay men, they had no legal relationship. If they had been heterosexuals, he could have claimed common-law property rights, but that was not an option.
I don’t see any reference in Troy Patterson’s article to heterophobia. Andrew Sullivan touches on aspects of Ang Lee’s rhetorical scheme in the movie, and he’s correct, but to extrapolate that out to say that it’s ‘heterophobic’ is, I think, an exagerration.
Oh, wow. I just read your most recent post.
(whistling in amazement)
If you have a will and you say that so and so should receive your property, then you should get the property regardless of whether or not you have a “legal relationship”. That is, afterall, the point of a will.
That’s because I gave you the wrong link. Sorry. Also, it’s Andrew Sullivan’s blog but not his post.
http://www.slate.com/id/2137855/
That’s an interesting article, but I still don’t think that critically analyzing the heterosexual American family is the same thing as being heterophobic.
But seriously, your 8:58 post is…provocative.
ha. Which part? Read some of the article on Muslim immigration into Europe. Just within the past two or three weeks a gang of Muslims tortured to death a Jewish dj. They called his parents up while torturing him and read parts of the Koran to them while they tortured him. Since 1999 there’s been an ongoing terrorization of European and North African Jews in France to the piont where Jews are leaving to go to the US and Israel. It’s referred to as the French Intifada. Synogogues have been bombed and Jewish people are told not to display any sign of Jewishness in public like wearing a Star of David or wearing a yarmulke. The family of the murdered man actually moved to France from Northern Africa to escape anti-Semitism. There have been tons of other problems in Europe from gang rapes in France and Scandinavia to gay people being beaten and terrorized in the Netherlands.
Okay, those are all bad things…
but they aren’t the same as calling all European immigrants “illiterate fundamentalist Muslims”, and the rest of that post was pretty vicious towards immigrants in this country as well.
I’m thinking that earlier when I used the ‘ph’ word that was perhaps the tip of the iceberg.
“they aren’t the same as calling all European immigrants “illiterate fundamentalist Muslims””
But I didn’t. I said that most were and that’s basically true. I would not be shocked if at some point in the next twenty years Europe has to start shipping out Muslims or at the least paying many of them to leave. Europe gets many Asian immigrants, Latino immigrants, and Hindu immigrants who do wonderfully. They’ve got jobs and families. They’re not blowing themselves up or torching cars in riots.
So then you think the US can afford to indefinitely import large numbers of people who do poorly in school and have gradually increasing welfare and incarceration rates? It makes me a phobe to be worried about such a trend? What the hell?
Thanks for the chat but I think I get where you’re coming from by this time and don’t think the conversation is going anywhere productive.
Well, the conversation won’t go anywhere productive so long as I say one thing and you assume I said something completely different. If you’d like to continue it, we can do so over email so as not to tie up Dave’s site.
I’m sorry, and correct me if I’m wrong, but your postings seem increasingly xenophobic. It’s all well and good to dislike terrorists, but when you start suggesting that all Muslims are illiterate suicide bombers, you really make me lost interest in the conversation.
‘lose’, not ‘lost’.
Actually, that raises the question: did Dave P. check any other names and find they were from some separate IP address? I find it unlikely, but it would be bad if some name turned out to be legit and was tarnished unnecessarily.
Apologies: I posted the above on “Internal Blog Business” and somehow it showed up here.
Fair is fair–can we have some “Crash” satire stamps featuring the Cop Who Seems Like a Mean Racist But is Really a Warm Guy Taking Care of His Dad; the Loveable Car Jackers who Specialize in Sociological Statements; the Adorable Darling Daughter With Her Invisible Bulletproof Cape? Maybe we can put these alongside a similar line of stamps depicting the Tooth Fairy, Easter Bunny, and Santa Claus.
It’s tough to put that much exposition on a stamp without making the characters seem like flat cliches.
Nice stamps. Australia didn’t really get Curious George (or, i don’t remember him from my childhood) so when I heard they were making a movie called “Curious George” last year I was just like “whoa, that’s progressive” but then I found out it was a kids movie about a monkey and I thought that was sort of creepy.
Bi-Curious George, indeed.