Hot Button – Forbes' List Is A Disaster
Why are journalists who know better talking about this idiotic Forbes value list as though it made sense?
And then I realize
April 24, 2024
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It shows how out of it I was in trying to be in it, acknowledging that I was out of it to myself, and then thinking, “Okay, how do I stop being out of it? Well, I get some legitimate illogical narrative ideas” — some novel, you know?
So I decided on three writers that I might be able to option their material and get some producer, or myself as producer, and then get some writer to do a screenplay on it, and maybe make a movie.
And so the three projects were “Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep,” “Naked Lunch” and a collection of Bukowski. Which, in 1975, forget it — I mean, that was nuts. Hollywood would not touch any of that, but I was looking for something commercial, and I thought that all of these things were coming.
There would be no Blade Runner if there was no Ray Bradbury. I couldn’t find Philip K. Dick. His agent didn’t even know where he was. And so I gave up.
I was walking down the street and I ran into Bradbury — he directed a play that I was going to do as an actor, so we know each other, but he yelled “hi” — and I’d forgot who he was.
So at my girlfriend Barbara Hershey’s urging — I was with her at that moment — she said, “Talk to him! That guy really wants to talk to you,” and I said “No, fuck him,” and keep walking.
But then I did, and then I realized who it was, and I thought, “Wait, he’s in that realm, maybe he knows Philip K. Dick.” I said, “You know a guy named—” “Yeah, sure — you want his phone number?”
My friend paid my rent for a year while I wrote, because it turned out we couldn’t get a writer. My friends kept on me about, well, if you can’t get a writer, then you write.”
~ Hampton Fancher
“That was the most disappointing thing to me in how this thing was played. Is that I’m on the phone with you now, after all that’s been said, and the fundamental distinction between what James is dealing with in these other cases is not actually brought to the fore. The fundamental difference is that James Franco didn’t seek to use his position to have sex with anyone. There’s not a case of that. He wasn’t using his position or status to try to solicit a sexual favor from anyone. If he had — if that were what the accusation involved — the show would not have gone on. We would have folded up shop and we would have not completed the show. Because then it would have been the same as Harvey Weinstein, or Les Moonves, or any of these cases that are fundamental to this new paradigm. Did you not notice that? Why did you not notice that? Is that not something notable to say, journalistically? Because nobody could find the voice to say it. I’m not just being rhetorical. Why is it that you and the other critics, none of you could find the voice to say, “You know, it’s not this, it’s that”? Because — let me go on and speak further to this. If you go back to the L.A. Times piece, that’s what it lacked. That’s what they were not able to deliver. The one example in the five that involved an issue of a sexual act was between James and a woman he was dating, who he was not working with. There was no professional dynamic in any capacity.
~ David Simon
Yes! I knew dPo would find a way to destroy this list. Though – that’s why he’s a journalist and I’m not.
Issues:
Why does Jackman’s Scoop count? BO Mojo has it at only 541 theaters?
Stiller: His total should be 567m, no? Poland error I think…(Typo, so irrelevant?)
For 9 of the top 20, one movie accounts for over 65% of the total gross. Forbes doesn’t consider outliers? Or, doesn’t Forbes consider that, perhaps, if not for Denzel in Inside Man at 16, Foster wouldn’t get to 14?
How does Jackman, at only 73.7m, even make the list? Surely he’s the weakest per theater? (Unless you count X3, which you should, since Scoop shouldn’t count.)
If Ocean’s, as an ensemble, counts, why doesn’t Lucky Number Slevin, for Willis?
Stupid, stupid list. (Hindsight.)
I would LOVE to know why Fred Claus didn’t make the cut.
I agree that this list is incredibly useless.
If Naomi Watts makes this list, shouldn’t vitually every actor in King Kong makes the list as well. Hell, Jamie Bell should blow her away just with King Kong and Jumper alone.
Totally agree…Vince Vaughn is number one after Fred Claus? That film was not a moneymaker…granted Four Christmases will be…but that’s mostly on Reese.
And Will Smith not in the top 10 when Hancock is the highest grossing original screenplay (non-animated) since 2003? And he made a movie about a real man struggling to overcome poverty a $300 million worldwide hit…just about as big as Ocean’s Thirteen…and that’s counted equal for every member of its ensemble cast? Uh…
Like many Christmas movies, Fred Claus hasn’t come out on DVD yet, which would my guess as to why it wasn’t counted, since they say they take that into consideration in their numbers.
Still is an incredibly stupid list, though.
This is fun. Anyone can do it! I did a few that they missed…
John C. Reilly
Ultimate Payback: $7.66
Movies Considered:
Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story, Talladega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby, The Aviator
Kate Beckinsale
Ultimate Payback: $7.20
Movies Considered: Vacancy, Click, Underworld: Evolution
I remember back in late 1990, a columnist in The Hollywood Reporter observed that if people were paid strictly according to grosses, the highest-paid actor should be character actor Robert Costanzo, who appeared in three summer movies–DIE HARD II, DICK TRACY and TOTAL RECALL–that each grossed over $100 million (serious money in those days). I guess some things never change.
Well Cad, that is the “Samuel L Jackson is the biggest grosser of all” argument… which I think SLJ evokes with a smirk on his face.
Forbes couldn’t possibly be using DVD tallies, since they are not readily available in any detail… besides which, the math suggests otherwise.
I can understand them not using 2008 films on the list… but Smith and Cruise still should rank higher by the standard they have so randomly created.
And you are right about Stiller, Baud… and his 3-film salary jumps to $60m, which makes more sense… though it still doesn’t account for foreign, dvd, or points for stiller.
Idiotic list. But then Forbes power lists are stupid too.
This, however, is something else entirely. Think about this list implies. It implies that the most important thing for an actor is to make a lot of money in proportion to the ammount he’s earning.
Sadly it also implies that Paris Hilton is the biggest movie star based on
And what about Ian McKellen? All three RINGS movies, all three X-MEN movies and THE DA VINCI CODE in the span of about six years. How many billions IS that?
How about Anne Hathaway? She’s made smash after smash, and surely isn’t pulling in eight figures yet.
Right on, Rob. She’s starred in four $100 million grossers this decade. How many other actresses can make that claim?
a much better forbes list here:
http://www.forbes.com/2002/09/13/400fictional_2.htm