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The Story That Won't Die


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26 Responses to “The Story That Won't Die”

  1. Sean says:

    You realize you’re conflating your vampire heroines, yes?

  2. How about ‘no time’. I’d see it just for the discussion, but work is hectic and my kid has a runny nose. Ah, real life… I’ll just have to read the LexG review when the time comes.

  3. Wrecktum says:

    Ah, yes. Scott Mendelson complaining again that he doesn’t have enough time to see movies on opening weekend. He wants to collapse distribution windows because of his bad time management skills.
    You know what? I have the time to go to Bora Bora, but not the money. Perhaps airlines and hotels should be forced to offer flex pricing to accommodate my lack of funds. Or…more likely, perhaps I should shut the fuck up and stop whining.

  4. Who said I was whining? Just a random thought, with no malice intended. Sometimes a spade is just a spade.

  5. leahnz says:

    good grief, where was the equivalent insidiously sexist poll when ‘trannies deax’ opened?
    I HAVE ZERO INTEREST IN TRANNIES DEUX BECUASE I HAVE:
    * a brain
    * a vagina
    * fond memories of deckard blowing skinjobs away
    * no heart
    * no soul
    * no toys
    (oh i forgot: silly popcorn fantasy for boys: legit. silly popcorn fantasy for girls: the end of days)

  6. leahnz says:

    sorry for typos + no proofreading

  7. martin says:

    Apologies accepted for typos and no proofreading. Apology excepted for having bad taste.

  8. leahnz says:

    how do i have ‘bad taste’ exactly, martin? do tell (are you the arbiter of taste? i must have missed the memo) i’m not a fan of ‘twilight’ in the slightest, i’ve stated that quite clearly (and i haven’t seen ‘new moon’), but i see the leper-like treatment of ‘twilight’ by many for the hypocritical double-standard it is

  9. jeffmcm says:

    What does ‘apology excepted’ mean? I see that it was deliberate – still, huh?

  10. IOIOIOI says:

    I am with Leah on this one. Dudes love absolute shit, but they are giving girls shit for loving Twilight? Really? Excuse me for not liking obscure fucking Korean cinema, Beaks. That’s right you weasel looking motherfucker! I POINT… AT… THEE!!!!

  11. IOIOIOI says:

    The above was deliberate for a reason. Beak’s review is easily the douchiest one on the net at the moment.

  12. Stella's Boy says:

    I haven’t seen Twilight nor do I care to, but I think you have a point IO. Certain geeks go apeshit over Transformers or a Saw sequel or whatever (I’m sure there are many examples, depending on the specific site and individual) but relish in bashing Twilight every chance they get. As if their taste is impeccable and their opinion infinitely more valuable.

  13. David Poland says:

    Actually, Leah… the “no heart” and “no soul” were meant to be a hat tip to the women.
    But I made a new poll for you anyway.

  14. Joe Leydon says:

    It’s funny: Today I was talking to an academic colleague about New Moon. She actually was teasing me about my enjoying — or at least not detesting — the film. I told her: Look, you walk into the movie, and you get what you’re promised you’ll get. Don’t want that? Then don’t go see the movie. Like, when I went to see Transformers 2, I knew I would get giant robots kicking the asses of other giant robots. When I went to see New Moon, I knew I would teen angst, vampires and werewolves. I was not paid to see either of these movies. I did not have to see these movies. I knew what I would get. I got what I expected.

  15. Joe Leydon says:

    Er, I knew I would GET teen angst, vampires and werewolves…

  16. bulldog68 says:

    Newspapers in Canada reported today that Bella as a heroine isn’t sitting well with the maple leafians. Points raised include: Exactly why is she in love with him? She’s totally defendant on him to save her, she can’t do anything herself. Of course the vampire family is rich, and she gave up life with her dad in a heartbeat without even thinking about it.
    So general consensus is that they’ll still line up to see the flick, but they don’t want to be Bella.
    There is hope.

  17. IOIOIOI says:

    Stella, that’s always my problems with geeks. There is no winning with them. What they love is best, what you love is shit, and so on and so forth.
    That aside, I simply have no idea why people detest Twilight this much. They are either mad at people enjoying themselves, or they are just massive douche bags. I am going with the latter because it’s a big ol’story about love and friendship, set in a town called Forks. It’s not North 40, but it’s never was set up that way.
    Oh yeah, Bella, is obviously special. She has her own power, and it effects her. She’s also tormented by the villain the entire film in her dreams. So yeah, Bella rules, Ed rules, and Jacob is going to score with their daughter! THAT’S WRITING PEOPLE! THAT’S WRITING!

  18. leahnz says:

    now i understand the original the other poll at least
    here’s the thing, and then i don’t think i can be bothered with pointing out this whole double standard any more:
    while bella may not be the quintessential female heroine/role model of all time, WHY SHOULD SHE HAVE TO BE?
    i didn’t hear ANYBODY complaining about ‘transformers’ that sam witwicky was a poor role model for boys because he’s a dork lacking social skills and self-confidence who would do ANYTHING to be with michaela, having to be rescued by the autobots countless times, blah blah blah. but the ‘girl’ movie is held to some moralising double-standard requiring positive role models and messages, while nobody gives a shit about the ‘message’ of the movie for boys because it’s just ‘entertainment’
    (further, all this ‘bella is helpless and has to be saved from vampires and werewolves’. yeah, no shit, they’re vampires and werewolves! it makes sense that any lone comparably weak human in their midst, not just bella, would likely have to be rescued from supernatural creatures who feed on humans. from what i’ve learned of the ‘twilight’ story bella’s arc is a long one and she does eventually save the day, but not until she’s matured a bit. bloody hell, cut the kid some slack)

  19. bulldog68 says:

    Why does Ed like Bella?
    I remember being a teenager, and romance was never this boring. Why are these teens so boring?
    I didn’t read the book and don’t intend to, but seeing that ED is an everlasting teenager, does the family move every few years to avoid detection?
    Why are they so boring?
    I met a rich vampire and now I’m running away with him. Fuck mom and dad. The same mom and dad who appear to be very supportive parents by the way.
    Why are they so boring?
    Even for a romance flick this shit is boring. And that’s my main beef with Twilight. Bring on THE PIANO, REMAINS OF THE DAY, 10 THINGS I HATE ABOUT YOU. Hell this 41 year old black dude got a kick out of MEAN GIRLS, and chick flicks like SOMETHING’S GOTTA GIVE, WHAT WOMEN WANT, HOPE FLOATS. My wife tuned out on REMAINS OF THE DAY and I sat there and loved it. The first Twilight was a boring ass movie. And in fact, I thought the last HARRY POTTER was boring too, the worst of the lot, it lacked magic, the foundation on which the movie is built. I dont deny girls their fantasies, apprently this has struck a chord, but once again,
    WHY ARE THEY SO BORING?
    On that note, it looks like a $72M day for this snorefest. Dark Knight kisses the vampires ass, and the movie going public sends a collective middle finger and a ‘fuck you!’ to me. Bring on the vodka.

  20. Joe Straat says:

    “It’s funny: Today I was talking to an academic colleague about New Moon. She actually was teasing me about my enjoying — or at least not detesting — the film. I told her: Look, you walk into the movie, and you get what you’re promised you’ll get. Don’t want that? Then don’t go see the movie. Like, when I went to see Transformers 2, I knew I would get giant robots kicking the asses of other giant robots. When I went to see New Moon, I knew I would teen angst, vampires and werewolves. I was not paid to see either of these movies. I did not have to see these movies. I knew what I would get. I got what I expected.”
    Well, the thing is, robots kicking ass is about 45 minutes of a very VERY long movie. I reserve to right to deduct 10 minutes due to the climactic multi-Decepticon creature having testicles, completely ruining everything about it. The rest of the movie is an hour and 30-40 minutes of irritating characters mugging and screaming as annoyingly as they can. That is NOT what I wanted to see when I walked in. That’s enough for some people. When I have completely ignore 2/3rds-3/4ths of your movie to enjoy it, that’s too much to ask in my book.
    And I’ll complain about Sam Witwicky if you’d like. I have many more issues with his parents, though. My thing with Twilight is the same thing I have with most things that sexually fetishize vampires and werewolves: It tends to lead to weak writing because most people will ignore it because “OMG, SEXY VAMPIRES!” I had the same issue with Underworld. I think there are five lines in that movie that aren’t painfully dull expository dialogue. But, “OMG, SEXY VAMPIRE AND WEREWOLF TOGETHER!” so it’s all okay.

  21. And that, Joe Straat, is why I liked GI Joe. You actually got 110 minutes of Joes and Cobra killing the heck out of each other and blowing stuff up pretty much non-stop in an over-the-top fashion. I wanted to see a $175 million version of the action figure dramas I used to play out when I was eight and that’s exactly what the movie delivered.

  22. IOIOIOI says:

    Bulldog, if you are not down with the HBP and Ed and Bella. I’ve got two WORDS FOR YA…
    Scott: damn right, sir. Damn right.

  23. bulldog68 says:

    Clearly you not essentially the targeted demo for Twilight, but this is an absolutely honest no bullshit question IOIOIOI, why do you like Twilight? And for some perspective give me your age range, like 30-40, that kind of thing.

  24. Foamy Squirrel says:

    IO is a wrestling fan? Who knew… šŸ˜‰

  25. IOIOIOI says:

    I thought I answered Bulldog’s question, but apparently the post did not… post. So here’s the answer to the question. The film leaves me feeling all sorts of ethereal. Both of the films are just beautiful to me. Yes, there are weird moments, but this franchise has some of the funnier bits of business of any franchise ever. So I just dig what it is, and not what guy’s in particular want it to be.
    It’s a love story between a girl, a vampire, and a werewolf. It has the vampire staring at the girl all the time because he finds her so hot, the werewolf feeling the vampire is a cockblocker, and the vampire having a hard time trying to figure out what the hell is going on. It represents all the worst parts of falling in love, and dealing with it. It just happens to have werewolves and vampires in it, and that just adds to the story.
    So, again, it has nothing to do with my age, but who I am as a person. The person I am digs love stories, vampires, and werewolves. Hopefully that answers it for you.

  26. Cadavra says:

    The problem here is that too many people are me-centric. If it’s of little or no interest to “me,” then it must suck. As for me, I have next to no interest in seeing PRECIOUS because it looks profoundly depressing, but I readily stipulate that it’s a quality film that obviously enthralls a great many people and likely deserves whatever awards it wins. See? That wasn’t so hard.

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