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It shows how out of it I was in trying to be in it, acknowledging that I was out of it to myself, and then thinking, “Okay, how do I stop being out of it? Well, I get some legitimate illogical narrative ideas” — some novel, you know?
So I decided on three writers that I might be able to option their material and get some producer, or myself as producer, and then get some writer to do a screenplay on it, and maybe make a movie.
And so the three projects were “Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep,” “Naked Lunch” and a collection of Bukowski. Which, in 1975, forget it — I mean, that was nuts. Hollywood would not touch any of that, but I was looking for something commercial, and I thought that all of these things were coming.
There would be no Blade Runner if there was no Ray Bradbury. I couldn’t find Philip K. Dick. His agent didn’t even know where he was. And so I gave up.
I was walking down the street and I ran into Bradbury — he directed a play that I was going to do as an actor, so we know each other, but he yelled “hi” — and I’d forgot who he was.
So at my girlfriend Barbara Hershey’s urging — I was with her at that moment — she said, “Talk to him! That guy really wants to talk to you,” and I said “No, fuck him,” and keep walking.
But then I did, and then I realized who it was, and I thought, “Wait, he’s in that realm, maybe he knows Philip K. Dick.” I said, “You know a guy named—” “Yeah, sure — you want his phone number?”
My friend paid my rent for a year while I wrote, because it turned out we couldn’t get a writer. My friends kept on me about, well, if you can’t get a writer, then you write.”
~ Hampton Fancher
“That was the most disappointing thing to me in how this thing was played. Is that I’m on the phone with you now, after all that’s been said, and the fundamental distinction between what James is dealing with in these other cases is not actually brought to the fore. The fundamental difference is that James Franco didn’t seek to use his position to have sex with anyone. There’s not a case of that. He wasn’t using his position or status to try to solicit a sexual favor from anyone. If he had — if that were what the accusation involved — the show would not have gone on. We would have folded up shop and we would have not completed the show. Because then it would have been the same as Harvey Weinstein, or Les Moonves, or any of these cases that are fundamental to this new paradigm. Did you not notice that? Why did you not notice that? Is that not something notable to say, journalistically? Because nobody could find the voice to say it. I’m not just being rhetorical. Why is it that you and the other critics, none of you could find the voice to say, “You know, it’s not this, it’s that”? Because — let me go on and speak further to this. If you go back to the L.A. Times piece, that’s what it lacked. That’s what they were not able to deliver. The one example in the five that involved an issue of a sexual act was between James and a woman he was dating, who he was not working with. There was no professional dynamic in any capacity.
~ David Simon
looks like it’ll be a field of three nominees in the Best Animated Feature category
How to Train Your Dragon, Toy Story 3, and who?
Despicable Me and Megamind were good but not near those two. Shrek 4 was a shoulder shrug. Never saw the Owl movie. Heard Alpha & Omega was terrible. Tangled is coming…
Only eight? No Perpolis or Paprika this year. (Found The Secret of Kells to be overrated).
Will Foodfight ever come out?
Animated slate for 2011:
Gnomeo & Juliet, Rango, Rio, Mars Needs Moms, Kung Fu Panda 2, Cars 2, Winnie the Pooh, Gatchaman, Puss in Boots, Happy Feet 2, Arthur Christmas, Adventures of Tintin.
Offhand guess, nominee number 3 will be Despicable Me. It’s a hugely-successful crowdpleaser that ended up as the tenth-biggest domestic animated grosser ever. It’s also a pretty great piece of entertainment that played all summer long. Plus, it’s a Universal picture, which means the three nominees will come from three different studios. Not sure if studios care about this stuff, but I can’t imagine that Disney wants to split the vote between Toy Story 3 and Tangled, nor does Dreamworks want 2 of the 3 films in the running (How to Train, Megamind, and/or Shrek 4). Although I’m sure each rival studio would love to have the other one get stuck with 2 of the 3 nominees. Toy Story 3, How to Train Your Dragon, Despicable Me – three popular toons that three separate studios can pour money into supporting. Pure speculation of course, but it makes sense to me.
If not “Tangled,” it will be “The Illusionist.” Oh, and apparently “Yogi Bear” was the disqualified film that caused it to only be three. Wow.
In 2011, if it’s three, I predict the following: Adventures of Tintin, Rango and Cars 2. If it’s five, add Kung Fu Panda and Happy Feet to that.
I found Despicable Me to be completely charming and delightful. Really, really enjoyed it and would be happy if it got a nom for Best Animated Film. Still need to see How to Train Your Dragon.
I’m not saying I wouldn’t support “Despicable Me” as a nominee. I just don’t feel confident that it gets in. You can never count out a willingness to go for artier fare for that final spot.
Deadline posted the list of possible nominees at 15. And one of them was the straight-to-DVD Tinker Bell sequel, so I’m guessing they threw on a movie screen somewhere for one day to get it to qualify?
I’d give Despicable Me the third you-have-no-chance-but-it’s-an-honor-just-to-be-nominated spot.
How to Train Your Dragon should win.
Toy Story 3 was this weird dissertation of death and the afterlife and was such a mess.
People are very forgiving of Pixar. Even when they churn out garbage, it’s so well polished that people don’t bother criticizing it’s glaring faults.
Next year’s animated slate looks depressing. 3 sequels?
Animation, the most predictable and redundant studio genre, is now churning out sequels. Yikes. that’s fucking frightening.
Did the world need another Cars, Kung Fu Panda, or Happy Feet?
hey DP – any thoughts of Larry King retiring ? you do more
interviews than him and CNN ain’t giving you the spot
I just saw Scott Pilgrim vs. the World. I can not express my love for that movie. I was in love from the moment the music from Mike Tyson’s Punchout opens movie. I can understand why some may not like it, it’s a very ADD movie, always jumping from one thing to the next but that’s what was so appealing to me. I think of it as the Kill Bill of my generation. Reference upon reference of everything I grew up with. Just a superb entertainment. I’m thankful that the movie exists. It’s not my place to say it is a great movie, but it is great to me.
Scott Pilgrim will make my Top Ten list, unless everything in December is awesome.
I agree on animated sequels. Consider also that Puss in Boots is a Shrek spinoff, and Winnie the Pooh has had several movies. I’m looking forward to Rango.
Other animated sequels in works: Monsters vs. Aliens 2, How to Train Your Dragon 2, Monsters Inc 2. I think Despicable Me 2 is in the works as well.
Every year Disney always plays the direct-to-DVD Tinkerbell films theatrically for a week at the El Capitan before the DVD drop date expressly for the purpose of getting the eligibility/nominee count up.
It’s interesting to note that Paramount/DreamWorks Animation has only been campaigning How to Train Your Dragon for awards, clearly anticipating a narrowing nomination field by putting their energies behind one contender.
aframe… DWA committed to the idea of Dragon as a Best Picture contender months ago. So I don’t think it’s the field of 3 issue. I do think that perhaps the reason they haven’t ramped up on Megamind is that they didn’t see 5 nominees as likely.
Unless something simply amazing drops in the next month, I can’t see how SCOTT PILGRIM won’t be my favorite movie of the year.
Also- I just rented MONSTERS on-demand and WOW….what an outstanding little film. Extremely clever filmmaking, great characters, great fun but also kind of felt like an art film horror film. I can’t recommend it highly enough.
“I can’t see how SCOTT PILGRIM won’t be my favorite movie of the year.”
SPIT TAKE.
My differences with Scott Pilgrim are well-documented, plus I’d rather not have IO yelling at me all night, but REALLY? SERIOUSLY?
Out of the 120 movies I’ve seen this year, SP would be in my BOTTOM 20, and it made me so aggressively, ferociously angry I went into a weekend-long RAGE from how obnoxious, campy and embarrassing it was.
Even if I can SORT OF see how a nation of geeks finds it relatable because of some video game references that I don’t care about AT ALL because I’m not a gamer, nor a “geek”… At the very least, isn’t it kind of an eyesore of a movie, and dare I say, juvenile? Plus it’s about a boring guy pining over a hateful, aloof and boring girl.
Don, you really think SP is a better movie than Enter the Void, Inception, Let Me In, Black Swan, 127 Hours? You can’t even CONCEIVE that True Grit, Somewhere, The Way Back, or The Fighter might have more going on that Michael Cera mugging while some crazy Asian chick in a bad Moe from the Three Stooges bowl cut makes stupid faces?
And also, I’d be curious to know:
Are there any WOMEN who hold Scott Pilgrim in such high esteem? Or is this strictly a male fanboy phenomenon?
DP – how many people give you screenplays to give to actors /directors cause you actually could give it to them?
DP–yeah, I was aware of DWA’s aggressive across-the-board Dragon campaign when the first bit of FYC materials I ever received for this awards season was a brochure for consideration screenings and whatnot on like August 31. But it’s clear that as far as animation goes, they are putting their eggs in one basket as Megamind (and, for that matter, Shrek) is completely absent from Paramount’s awards website and posted screening schedule (and this is not an “info to come” situation since there’s a blank placeholder for True Grit info). Kind of smart, I say, to chase the one nod for an acclaimed and popular film instead of run the risk of splitting the vote between three and end up getting bumped out of a tight race (not likely, yes, but strange things have happened, so best to direct those DWA votes in one direction in a field of 3).
I must say that I do rather adore L’Illusioniste and hopes it gets that third spot. (Hopefully the 2D animation will give it a leg up, so there’s some diversity in the art form represented in the race)
Lex, I know this is sort of anecdotal since she’s not posting here directly, but my wife loved Scott Pilgrim maybe more than I did (and it’ll almost certainly be in my top ten this year). We saw it with a big mixed group of guys and girls and I’d say the love was pretty evenly distributed. So yeah, if anything, I’d say it had particular lady appeal.
Or at least, ladies in the thirtyish-and-under range? I do wonder if it might be an age thing moreso than a gamer/geek thing. Because I have almost zero videogame nostalgia and, for that matter, no past as a shiftless/jobless earlytwentysomething… but I still loved the sensibility. I read comics, but I had only read the first volume of Scott Pilgrim, and at the time I was a little underwhelmed (though now I’m curious to read the rest). I felt like I was on the movie’s wavelength even without the benefit of gamer love or a history with the comic book.
In fact, I loved it more a second time; the first time, I was adjusting to the comic rhythms (and I think I actually expected it to be *more* visually out-there, a la Speed Racer). But I found it just as funny, if not funnier, a week later when I saw it again. I didn’t find it campy. Deadpan, and silly, but not campy.
My wife liked Scott Pilgrim as much as I did. We’re both in our 30’s.
LexG would have liked Scott Pilgrim more if it had the leaden pacing, dour, sexually dysfunctional, third-grade storytelling retardation of TWILIGHT. SP is too fun, alive, full of joy and at least attempts to push the medium into different areas. It’s the exact opposite of what Lex likes about Twilight. Seriously, Lex’s opinion on everything is tainted by his defense of the utterly abysmal Twilight series and it’s cast. Cera is certainly guilty of being one-note, but he’s a fucking genius compared to anybody in the Twilight films. He’s likable. NOBODY in the Twilight movies or books is relatable to anyone but teenage girls, lonely middle-aged housewives and LexG. I don’t care if Kristen Stewart has 10 vaginas. She is a horrid actress and the sooner this series ends, and the fans all commit suicide, and these “actors” disappear into DTDVD sequels to MegaShark vs SuperOctopus, the better off we all will be. Seriously. Either Lex is a 13 year old girl just beginning to explore her body, or a soccer-mom who hasn’t been fucked since Clinton left office. Or he’s just a moron. Regardless of how good or bad SP maybe NOBODY should ever be so pompous as to attack it while cradling Stephanie Myer’s epochal, nation-weakening turd-poison. Fuck off with walnuts, Lex.
I have to disagree with the assertion that Stewart is a horrid actress. I don’t like her as much as Lex does, but she gives excellent performances in Panic Room, Adventureland, In the Land of Women, Undertow, and Into the Wild. The quality of those films is debatable, but she does great work in them. The Twilight series does not represent her best work, and for my money she’s more talented than Cera, who peaked with Arrested Development.
LexG is real; you can find him on YouTube. He looks a little like Poland, like he’s Dave’s trouble-making cousin who shows up on his doorstep right before a holiday to make hijinks ensue. “David, you gotta hook me up with K-Stew!” “What kind of pull do you think I have, and why do you think I would use said pull in such a manner?”
And Kristen Stewart is a good actress. Check out Adventureland or The Runaways.
People can hate Lex all they want, and bash his love for K-Stew and Twilight, but when he’s passionately discussing film, there’s no one here I enjoy reading more.
Actually, aside from disagreeing about SCOTT PILGRIM, Lex reminded me that I haven’t seen BLACK SWAN, 127 HOURS, ENTER THE VOID or TRUE GRIT so yeah, maybe it won’t be #1. But I love SP a ton.
For Edgar Wright to bring together comic book, video games, gen x angst, new love/relationships, becoming a man and a decent human being….is GREAT directing. The film can easily be dismissed as some kind of lame fanboy circle jerk, but those fights and the “seven deadly ex’s” are allegorical and are really about overcoming your own selfishness and insecurity, especially in new relationships.
Obviously I won’t go into how many of these issues are issues which I would find easy to believe Lex hasn’t dealt with in the last decade thus making it tough to relate but, yeah.
Lex, I will not yell at you but seriously, you got the movie all wrong. You also know that I will never throw TWILIGHT at you because I enjoy those films as much as you. Nevertheless, give SP a chance and try not to be so judgmental while you are watching it.
That aside, Anghus, you really are a bottle of happy and a sugar sandwich. Yes, we do need a Cars 2. Why? It makes the kids happy. Yes, we need a Kung Fu Panda 2. Why? Kung Fu Panda is a great, a truly great, film. Any film or NBC special that gives the people more time with Po is a good freaking thing. Finally, yes, we do indeed need another Happy Feet. Why? You got a problem with dancing and singing penguins? Huh?
Oh yeah, I love Dragon as well but your synopsis of Toy Story 3 pretty much demonstrates a person that only got what they wanted to get out of the movie. It’s not about death. It’s about transitioning in life.
I find it hard to get worked up about sequels these days. Cars is OK but there’s room for improvement and I hope Cars 2 shows improvement. Kung Fu Panda is a pretty fun flick and I will gladly take my son to the second one. I enjoyed Happy Feet, too.
I took no absolutely no joy away from watching this.
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/47468
“And Kristen Stewart is a good actress. Check out Adventureland or The Runaways.”
Or In the Land of Women. Ot Undertow. Or Welcome to the Rileys, The Yellow Handkerchief, The Cake Eaters, Into the Wild, The Messenger, Panic Room, or Fierce People. She is the most singularly gifted American actor of the last fifty years. She has SO MUCH more in her arsenal than TWILIGHT.
My love for Kristen Stewart’s work and her brilliant acting is as clear as an azure sky of deepest summer. You will bow to her, she is the BEST. EVER.
And as a matter of record, I saw SCOTT PILGRIM *twice* in an attempt to feel the magic you guys are describing. The second time I tried to put my prejudices about the material aside and really get into it, but the movie just does nothing for me. Picking on Cera is too easy, and he’s not even in the top 20 things that don’t work for me in it. How about Mary Elizabeth Winstead, and her flat performance as a thoroughly appalling character. Or that HIDEOUS stretch with Brandon Routh. What is even GOING ON THERE, where they’re arguing about his vegan purity? What is THAT a reference to?
I do like the two cameos as the vegan police, my favorite movie-dork moment in the whole thing… though I wonder if that’s the one bit that didn’t do much for most fanboys, who generally don’t watch movies with those guys.
Todd Ingram’s power derive from his vegan pureness. He has to remain pure or he loses his powers. That’s just how it works with people who graduated from the Vegan academy.
Your hatred of Ramona is just so wrong-headed and out of sorts that it’s hard to respond to it without a big “HOW’D YOU MISS THAT?” type of reaction. Ramona is the emotional catalyst of that film.
Oh yeah, I love seeing that Aston involved in a Cars flick.
Is it just me or is Twilight movies written at an 8th grade level …and never go beyond that.
i want best director to go to Edgar Wright for Scott Pilgrim
but thats not going to happen cause the academy only wants
serious films
Took a bunch of females of all ages to SP and they loved it. Said it before but the film should have been marketed to women more as it’s a favorite story for the female crowd: douchebag male who learns the error of his ways while fighting for his love.
Yeah, I gotta side w/Lex on Scott P. I was pretty bored with it. I appreciate them trying to do something different but I was far from engaged. My date, who was in her late 30’s enjoyed it, so I was glad for that.
how about that green lantern trailer? i wasn’t exactly bowled over.
and the red riding hood trailer was interesting because you have two very similarly marketed type of movie opening up in that March ‘Oh god i hope we can get Alice in Wonderland numbers’ slot.
Red Riding Hood
Sucker Punch
Feels like similar content being released way too close to one another. I wonder if either will be pushed.
Ang, the trailer does capture the whole weirdness of a young Hal but besides that, I am just happy they fixed the costume. That costume is iconic and beautiful in it’s simplicity. Great to see it being used instead of weird green energy nonsense.
I was shocked at how bad the Green Lantern trailer was. It felt like a rough-edit cut at the last minute to meet the Harry Potter deadline. Terrible pacing (nearly a minute showing Reynolds randomly being a jerk and flying a plane), awkward transitions, confusing narrative. Even if they have something worth selling (it’s no secret I’m a big Martin Campbell fan), you wouldn’t know it by the generic trailer. Red Riding Hood looked okay, but I’m amused by all of the ‘it’s like Twilight’ blurbs. The film feels much more to me like what Burton did (quite successfully) on Sleepy Hollow, but without the occasional self-parody. Of course, I found the first Twilight to be quite (intentionally) funny, so maybe some of that rubbed off on Red Riding Hood.
I’m assuming that Sucker Punch will be R (?), and Red Riding Hood will likely be a ‘hard’ PG-13, so Alice in Wonderland numbers are likely a pipe dream (as they would be for pretty much any given movie of course).
The Green Lantern is a ridiculous character nobody cares about. The poster tagline might as well be SLAM EVIL!
Bring on THE WOLVERINE!
Oh yeah, go watch the Hall Pass trailer. How the fuck did that shit get green lit, and why in the fuck is Stephen Merchant in it? WHY LORD? WHY?
Christian: I hope you are being facetious because GL and associated GL properties have never been bigger. Seriously, it’s a huge property and that’s who the trailer was being sold to… me. It’s being sold to people who already know that narrative and know where it’s going. This is not always the best strategy but I doubt you or Scott were all that interested in the movie, so they were selling it to the base. Which again, is me, and I dug it.
Actually, I got the exact opposite impression IOv3, in that it felt like a trailer pitched to the Entertainment Tonight crowd. As for my interest, I was pretty psyched for this one. I like Green Lantern, prefer DC Comics to Marvel, and again, am a big Martin Campbell fan. What shocked me was how poorly constructed the trailer itself felt, to the point where I couldn’t even tell you if the movie might be good or bad based on its long-winded 2.5 minutes.
And don’t knock The Phantom! Treat Williams’s awesome banter is worth the price of admission by itself.
To be fair, the Iron Man trailer showed extensive sections of Downey being a jerk too. However, the trailer made it obvious that the transition in character was fairly central to the story. I’m not sure what the whole “You can overcome your fear!” schtick was in the GL trailer though… it seemed bizarre given that the entire rest of the trailer was setting him up as having *responsibility* being his main problem, with Ryan Reynolds going “Whoo! This is awesome!”
I’m pretty sure Spider-Man already covered the whole “With great power comes great responsibility” thing. Did the trailer editors get the wrong memo or something?
Edit to add: IO, if you want to break $200mil domestic you HAVE to market it beyond the base. If you want to play to established fans, you do that through websites and magazines – channels that specifically target “the faithful”. Make it fun, make it clever, make it clear that you respect their loyalty. But if you use mass market channels like TV/Radio/Newspaper (like EW) you have to deliver a message that talks to the mass market. Otherwise you’re looking at Scott Pilgrim all over again – it might be a fantastic movie, but if you deliver the wrong message people aren’t going to show up to find out if it’s good or not.
If they can make a good movie out of THE GREEN LANTERN I’m all for it.
Chris: that’s more than fair and that you are a Wolverine fan cracks me up.
FS, the fact that you think a tent pole picture from Warners is in anyway comparable to SP is laughable. Oh I forgot, you don’t see any movies so that probably seems like an apt comparison to you :D!
Scott, that trailer is for geeks. I am not stating it’s the best strategy but unless you or Captain Condescension up there know who Kilowog is, then that trailer is not for you.
Again, the first trailer is for me and people who have similar taste as me. After that, you folks will probably get two or three trailers that explain everything to you. Right now, or in a couple of days in front of HP, that trailer should play well with people in those midnight shows, and that’s the point of the trailer. Which, again, I love.
Definition of irony – calling someone “Captain Condescension” in the same post as saying I think SP and GL are comparable as movies.
GL will cost almost double what it cost to make SP. Almost double. GL is also a tent pole release while SP is not. The fact that you made a bad analogy is not my problem.
Here’s the test if the analogy is bad:
Did SP make less than hoped?
Did SP target most of the marketing to the faithful?
Budget is irrelevant, the same principles of marketing apply.
Kunis and Portman should have been on Daily Show or Colbert
to promote the movie
Yeah to get to 200 million+ theyre going to need to appeal to way more than ‘the base’.
the base is a given. the base is gonna see the movie.
appealing to the base is the most inane thought here. its a trailer in front of Harry Potter over the holidays. You want it to appeal to EVERYONE.
the base is there opening night at midnight. but midnight screenings don’t make you profit. I think what the trailer didn’t convey was a sense of epic. Lots of dodgy FX and a nebulous villain.
We’ll see what comes next.
the two best things about the green lantern trailer (which looked a bit of a goofy mess, hard to say): temuera and taika. martin c keeping it in the family
Another vote for the “Green Lantern trailer is a mess.” Total rush job… I hope. The movie has to be better than that. Like Scott, I have a lot of faith in Martin Campbell.
Casting Ryan Reynolds looks to have been a mistake. I read some Green Lantern comics back in the day, and I don’t recall Hal Jordan as a smart-ass… that was more Kyle Raynor if memory serves. It’s just hard to do squeeze a goofy actor like Reynolds into a role that requires gravitas. (Same problem I expect they’ll have with Chris Evans as Captain America.)
On another note, I was on a trailer binge tonight and saw the Sucker Punch trailer– oh my god is that movie going to suck, and probably flop hard too. I’m embarrassed for Zack Snyder already.
FS: GL will have a worldwide PR budget that will cost as much as SP was to produce. Seriously, your analogy sucks because you assume that one comic book film is ALL COMIC BOOK films and that is simply not the case. You would know, if you went and saw a movie occasionally, but you choose to visit a blog about movies. Go figure. Oh yeah the SP ads (outside of the remixes) were god awful.
CC aside; this trailer is not for you folks. It’s for me (or people with similar taste) and the kids. You make great points about it needing to be mainstream but you are probably going to see a ridiculous campaign for this film, all quadrants, but god forbid some of the most geek hating people on the net would see the point in serving fandom for once.
One last thing: RRH looks god awful. While Sucker Punch remains the greatest adaptation of Sybil ever made.
1) THE GREEN LANTERN trailer looks AWESOME. I am not a fanboy or a fan of the superhero, but I thought it looks cool as hell. Reynolds is a cool dude and Campbell is great; Plus good to see Campbell back to his weird bright primary colors after EDGE OF DARKNESS, which was shot in 1998 Richard Donner Vision.
2) SUCKER PUNCH YEP YEP YEP YEP YEP. I am going to see that 40 TIMES in theaters alone. ALL SHALL BOW.
I’m with Lex. I’m no fanboy and I have zero familiarity with Green Lantern, but I think it looks cool. The early voiceover is hokey, but overall I’m sold. Looks really fun. Great cast too. Sadly Red Riding Hood looks dreadful. I so want to see another good werewolf movie, but I’m getting a real Blood & Chocolate vibe from it.
SEYFIED = INSTANTLY watchable. LOOK AT HER.
Plus Catherine Hardwicke = MASTER. HUGE fan, since she’s directed TWO of my FAVORITE MOVIES OF ALL TIME:
THIRTEEN
TWILIGHT
Plus LORDS OF DOGTOWN is really good, too. Better than the boring documentary about the same subject.
1. The Green Lantern trailer is a misfire. Whoever cut that trailer must have a vendetta against Blake Lively by putting her worst line-reads in there. Not a disaster, but it doesn’t have that instant punch of excitement the Iron Man trailer was able to generate.
2. Red Riding Hood very much looks like an offering to satiate the Twilight crowd while also waiting for The Hunger Games to come to the big screen. But it does have a little Sleepy Hollow vibe to it, and it has Gary Oldman, so I’m overall still curious to see it.
3. Hall Pass looks awful, but the subplot they don’t show is the one that might make the movie interesting, that the wives decide they have hall passes of their own.
IO – Two things.
First, I’m not assuming all comic book movies are the same – the fact that SP is also a comic book movie is coincidental. The analogy applies to any film that also targets the core base at the expense of the mass market. See also: Serenity and Fantastic Mr. Fox, or if you want to go for tentpole Robin Hood and Prince of Persia. We just happened to be talking about SP earlier in the thread so it was apt in two ways.
Second, I mentioned that my movie viewing had dropped through the floor specifically last year. It’s not indicative of my viewing habits overall.
If you can tell me why WB is using valuable advertising space on both Harry Potter and EW to target a small fraction of the audience as you are claiming, please do so without ad hominem comments. Otherwise, take your condescension and shove it.
Is Iron Man’s trailer a fair comparison, or is that movie’s trailer an exception? Compared to other superhero movies, I just don’t believe that GL’s trailer is worse, and I think it’s better than some.
Well-said FS.
FS, Paul answers your question. It’s not horrible to everyone and I would almost guarantee that it will play better on a big screen than on computer monitors.
Now, if you want to know why they are selling this trailer to me and not you… because it’s NOVEMBER! Seriously, it’s not even 2011, the Super bowl ad has not happened, and the campaign is not in full swing. This is an ad for fans that lets non-fans know GL is coming. That’s all the trailer needed to do and it did it. Why, again, that’s such a crime is beyond me but that’s why the hot blog is so much fun.
Finally, Krillian, now you have even skieved me out even more. What a disgusting concept for a fucking movie. I hope Hall Pass fails so we can avoid the inevitable discussions about HALL PASSES on the Today show.
IO, that doesn’t answer my question – why use mass market channels to target a niche? Why risk non-fans going “What is this shit?” when they see material not selling to them? Why not simply push the trailer through AICN etc, rather than blow a fair chunk on TV and film spots? Heck, EW had a trailer for the trailer!
Sure we ain’t talking Superbowl prices, but it’s not cheap either.
FS, having watched that trailer in HD, it’s even more awesome, and that leads me to my previous point. The trailer will play better on a big screen and the reaction will probably be different from some of the reaction found online.
If you also want to know why it showed up on EW and ET, that’s simple: Ryan Reynolds is a good looking man and they are hoping that gets the ladies into the theatres.
“Ryan Reynolds is a good looking man and they are hoping that gets the ladies into the theatres.”
Speaking of that, he was just named People’s Sexiest Man Alive.
I wish Hall Pass the same success as every Woody Allen comedy of the past 14 years.
Love Richard Jenkins and Stephen Merchant, sorry that it has to be in a Hall Pass trailer. Looks terrible.
Ryan Reynolds also married Scarlett Johansson.
they do a great job at keeping that private vs Pitt / Jolie
who are in the tabloids every week.
http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/cowboys-and-aliens.html
DISCUSS!
I don’t know. Cowboys and Aliens seems like it should be a Syfy movie. In fact, Syfy already did something like this last year, High Plains Invaders. Certainly there is tons of talent in front of and behind the camera, but the teaser leaves me skeptical about whether or not this is going to work.
Don’t read the Cowboys vs. Aliens comic book then. It’s a thin thin story. I’m assuming Jon Favreau is throwing it away save for the basic premise.
Everyone in Cowboys seems to be walking through mud, especially Ford, with very little reactions, not a lot of emotions. And from the trailer it looks like it all takes place on the same street. I was looking forward to this a lot more before seeing that trailer.
Cowboys vs. Aliens depends on how strong the storyline is
how can cowboys possibly beat the aliens . cowboys don’t have apple computers like in ID4
i guess it depends on how silly it gets with the technology
it’ll be the most hyped movie in next years comic con
Sanj, someone has to have given Craig’s character that pipboy-esque weapon, and that weapon seems to be an alien killer. I am also shocked that this film featured zero of the native americans that are in this movie which leads me to believe that we may finally get OUTER SPACE NATIVE AMERICANS!
Why is no one talking about the best trailer to drop in this deluge: YOUR HIGHNESS (red band). That looks like a really, really fun time at the movies. Hope it plays Sundance!
GREEN LANTERN looks “meh” which is what Green Lantern IS as a comic and character. Maybe it’ll be better, but looks pretty dumb.
RED RIDING HOOD…WTFffffff. Seyfried is amazing but sweet God…the wolf is a werewolf now? It looks kiiiind of visually cool but….yikes.
SUCKER PUNCH looks o.k. I’m just not that big on full-blown CGI blue screen epics. It feels over stylized to the point of disassociation from my ability to suspend disbelief and enjoy the movie. And it just sounds like a video game….find 5 things, release the dragon, blah-diddy-blah.
Red Riding Hood was Leo’s idea too. I had forgotten about that.
Your Highness looks hysterical. Now that is a great trailer.
I thought the Your Highness trailer blew. The tones all over the place, Natalie Portman has a nice ass, but that’s not enough to make a trailer.
IO, you’re just wrong! Do you hate fun? You just don’t get it! I can’t believe you don’t love that trailer!
i transcend race, hombre
i’m totally gonna see ‘your highness’, i’m a huge sucker for old-school send-ups. and DGG and danny McB, and of course saul (i mean franco). looks like my cup of tea.
the oh-no-she-ditnt twist: little red riding hood IS the big bad wolf
in that trailer gary oldman sounds like he’s in vlad the impaler/dracule voice mode
and did i see lucas haas? or was that my imagination
Is Danny McBride supposed to be funny? I lost the meme.
Paul, yeah, I don’t act that way but the fact that you think I do, pretty much sums up why you are you. Now, Chris brings up a good point and my main problem with this movie: Natalie Portman and Danny McBride should never share a screen together. It’s just too damn weird for me. You can disagree but that alone makes me not want to see that movie, even if Zooey Deschanel is wearing a push up bra in that film for some reason.
Yes, Lucas Haas is indeed in that film.
Lighten up IO. Just having a little fun, exaggerating slightly. I guess your denial sums up why you are you. I could really care less if you don’t like a trailer. It’s not a big deal. Difference of opinion on a trailer or movie is no reason to go ballistic on someone.
YOUR HIGHNESS looks fucking dire.
Green smokes too much weed and indulges his teenage nostalgia. Yes dude we know you loved Sword & The Scoreror and think Deathstalker the absolute shit but seriously man? Do you really want to spend a year or more of your life on this rancid turd. It looks like Land of the Medieval Lost. This is like watching Scorsese direct a FOCKERS sequel. What the fuck happened to you DGG? Wake up and be the filmmaker you can be. Stop slumming it with your comedy buds and make something worthwhile.
I hope this tanks like nobodies business so he gets a rude wakeup call. Pineapple Express was a messy, uneven stepback and totally overrated. It sent a wrong signal to the guy. He wants to be Michael Ritchie but he’s looking more and more like Pat Proft everyday.
your highness – trailer was a bit too long – funny..
Franco seems to be acting – Portman not so much ….which
is weird cause Portman is getting all sorts of attention
for acting in Black Swan ..
Red Riding Hood – this was made for twilight fans ..probably
get bad reviws from the major critics but it’ll make money
off teenagers …which is probably the target audience
PG-13 werewolf movie = slim chance at being any good.
Paul: you mistake enthusiasm like everyone else on here because apparently, out of the 15 of us, I am the only who post his excitement for these films. The fact that you think I am in denial is pretty funny because you don’t know me, and you would have no clue why I would be in denial!
You are also not having fun: you dislike me and that’s you taking a shot. What’s even funnier is you going on about not going ballistic over this stuff but you keep on praising Lex, who goes BALLISTIC ALL THE TIME! Seriously, some consistency would be great!
That aside; JBD sums that trailer up perfectly. Seriously, why the fuck is Natalie Portman in this film and why in the fuck is she basically wearing a thong with a tiny top after going on about not wanting to expose all that much in film? WHAT THE FUCK IS HAPPENING HERE?
i say kudos for DGG for mixing it up and making feature films in different genres with wildly ranging tones; so far he’s gone from tragic and touching youth drama to nice little love story to backwoods thriller to slit-your-fucking-wrists family drama to off-the-wall stoner comedy (with an epic franco perf) to what looks an epic silly-as-all-hell sword-&-sorcerer’s spoof… good on him for trying different things, i can’t wait to see what he comes up with next.
(re: danny mcb, i can certainly see how some people might not find him funny, but for me personally he eerily reminds me of an old family friend from when i was growing up – his looks and demeanour and vibe and HAIR – esp. when he’s just being himself, different accent of course but that’s not the thing of it; i saw a clip of danny on one of the late night talk shows with some dude what i’m not sure who he is talking about his recent honeymoon, and it was like a bitter-sweet blast to the past, as the guy danny reminds me of so very much died in a motorbike accident. anyway, i’ve enjoyed many of danny’s perfs – granted some more than others – and find his OTT cringe-worthy turn as epic prick ‘kenny powers’ just deliciously hopeless, foul-mouthed, delusional, pathetic, narcissistic and sad, with those teeny tiny occasional shallow glimpses of conscience/humanity/redemption (which he swiftly overcomes), and as much as his failures are hilarious, danny somehow inexplicably manages to make me root for kenny just when he needs it – like when he knocks that guy’s eye out with his fast pitch – no easy feat. in fact the abject cringe-worthiness of kenny powers very much calls to mind the character of ‘david brent’ from the original english series of ‘the office’ (played by gervais), their pathologies are almost identical even as their cultural contexts are so very disparate. kenny powers and david brent should hook for a one-night special in which they find themselves out on the town getting into delusional mischief while being utterly, unbelievably cringe-worthy and obnoxiously idiotic, self-absorbed and pathetic together, with some weird little moment of brief, endearing redemption/revelation just as dawn breaks wherein together they learn some valuable lesson about humanity — and then proceed to forget said lesson in the next breath and revert back to their old ways as cringe-worthy cocks. i’d watch that happily)
I’m quickly becoming sour on the whole red-band trailer practice. It’s just another way to spoil the film going experience by showing too much in the trailer. And then justify it by…I don’t know their rationale.
I watched about the first 2 mins of Your Highness and thought some of it looked ‘meh, OK’ and then a few genuine laughs but then shut it off when I realized I was seeing too much of the film and if I stay any further I might as well hunt the web for bit-torrent sites cuz I was seeing everything already, might as well put it in order.
What’s wrong with being surprised by some laughs? Has the concept of anticipation been summarily dismissed as antiquated? It’s like studio marketing depts are run by a buncha insecure teenage girls who believe the only way for a guy to like them is to sleep with him on the first date.
I was about cite my latest gripe against spoilers in movies by bringing up Never Let Me Go and wonder why am I the ONLY one upset by major spoiler they reveal in the trailer but then I guess since no one saw it, no one cares.
Ridiculous!
Triple, Farci made a good point about spoilers: they have become taboo all of a sudden. Why is that? The last century ended and at least half of the oughties revolved around everything being spoiled then all of a sudden… SPOILERS ARE BAD? What a weird twist but NLMG will probably have the plot of the movie spoiled on the BD/DVD case, so that’s just a fight you were going to lose sir.
One last thing: Danny McBride is awesome. I am just weirded out by Danny McBride and Natalie Portman sharing a screening. It’s just weird.
I hated pineapple express.
I thought the trailer looked like medeival year one
Then i saw the shot of portman’s ass.
Im in.
Yes, i am that shallow.
Spoilers have been bad for a long time. I’ll never forget Drudge giving away the twist ending of Planet of the Apes on his front page, even if the movie wasn’t good enough to warrant uproar over said spoiler.
Ang: you keep rockin it. Yo.
Krillian: yeah they have been bad for a while but it seems because of LOST, that revealing them to certain people or on certain places leads to an uproar that you just did not see 5 years ago.
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