TIFF Trailer: Girl Model
This clip reminds me a lot of Red Race, the great doc about training little kids in China for gymnastics glory. The sheer number of girls in churning about says so much.
And here is the latest trailer…
April 25, 2024
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It shows how out of it I was in trying to be in it, acknowledging that I was out of it to myself, and then thinking, “Okay, how do I stop being out of it? Well, I get some legitimate illogical narrative ideas” — some novel, you know?
So I decided on three writers that I might be able to option their material and get some producer, or myself as producer, and then get some writer to do a screenplay on it, and maybe make a movie.
And so the three projects were “Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep,” “Naked Lunch” and a collection of Bukowski. Which, in 1975, forget it — I mean, that was nuts. Hollywood would not touch any of that, but I was looking for something commercial, and I thought that all of these things were coming.
There would be no Blade Runner if there was no Ray Bradbury. I couldn’t find Philip K. Dick. His agent didn’t even know where he was. And so I gave up.
I was walking down the street and I ran into Bradbury — he directed a play that I was going to do as an actor, so we know each other, but he yelled “hi” — and I’d forgot who he was.
So at my girlfriend Barbara Hershey’s urging — I was with her at that moment — she said, “Talk to him! That guy really wants to talk to you,” and I said “No, fuck him,” and keep walking.
But then I did, and then I realized who it was, and I thought, “Wait, he’s in that realm, maybe he knows Philip K. Dick.” I said, “You know a guy named—” “Yeah, sure — you want his phone number?”
My friend paid my rent for a year while I wrote, because it turned out we couldn’t get a writer. My friends kept on me about, well, if you can’t get a writer, then you write.”
~ Hampton Fancher
“That was the most disappointing thing to me in how this thing was played. Is that I’m on the phone with you now, after all that’s been said, and the fundamental distinction between what James is dealing with in these other cases is not actually brought to the fore. The fundamental difference is that James Franco didn’t seek to use his position to have sex with anyone. There’s not a case of that. He wasn’t using his position or status to try to solicit a sexual favor from anyone. If he had — if that were what the accusation involved — the show would not have gone on. We would have folded up shop and we would have not completed the show. Because then it would have been the same as Harvey Weinstein, or Les Moonves, or any of these cases that are fundamental to this new paradigm. Did you not notice that? Why did you not notice that? Is that not something notable to say, journalistically? Because nobody could find the voice to say it. I’m not just being rhetorical. Why is it that you and the other critics, none of you could find the voice to say, “You know, it’s not this, it’s that”? Because — let me go on and speak further to this. If you go back to the L.A. Times piece, that’s what it lacked. That’s what they were not able to deliver. The one example in the five that involved an issue of a sexual act was between James and a woman he was dating, who he was not working with. There was no professional dynamic in any capacity.
~ David Simon
Wow LexG couldn’t even be bothered posting something before rushing off and making some glue. Come back when you can breathe Lex and let us know what you think of this.
ps- DP is still a total perv. Just man up and admit it Dave!. You like ogglin at young women.
I think this is AWESOME, and this shot to the top of the must-see list for me… I am obsessed with Eastern-European women in general and Russian chicks and MODELS and the part where they were taking the measurements was great… This is like Eyes Wide Shut crossed with the AUCTION they had at the end of Taken, which is the BEST IDEA EVER… LOOK AT THEM. I like the small curves and skinniness and TALLNESS and the Russian accents… The idea of like HUNDREDS of them ALL IN ONE ROOM– I have wondered for years, HOW does one get to work in the fashion industry?
My DREAM JOB of ALL TIME would be the guy who interviews the models, kind of like Nigel on Top Model, because in addition to just BEING AROUND all those lithe, fragile young chicks, the idea that you could CRITICIZE THEM is even more exciting than possibly hooking up with them. Can you imagine getting to tell an already rail-thin, neurotic beautiful girl all these criticisms of her appearance? It would be like on that HOT OR NOT show where Randolph Duke and Lorenzo would use a laser pointer to do so.
I personally don’t know why so many dudes in LA go the Asian mail order route and go to Thailand and stuff, when you could go RUSSIAN, unless you’re scared of Matthieu Kassovitz and Vincent Cassel making the voyage with Svetlana and running up your cable bill, which let’s face it with just about any “exotic” chick is a DONE DEAL.
God I need to get laid (nine years and counting.)
The filmmakers have a great track record of observational documentaries. I’m looking forward to seeing this.
Seriously, people wanna see this as a serious doc from strong filmmakers? Doesn’t everyone just want to look at skinny hot white girls?
Not my types, JBD.
I actually went to one of these things, in NY, years ago, when I was casting a music video show… depressing… and indeed, uncomfortably on the edge of pervy at times. One realizes that these girls and their parents want something that is unlikely to happen and you have way too much power as a potential job provider.
But like I said, love the observational docs, and think the first clip is much more intriguing than the more conventional feeling “trailer.” 100 people churning around a room, hoping to be plucked out of obscurity, not really knowing what the qualifiers are… fascinating to me.
LOOK AT THEM.
“Not my types” = DISAGREE.
Serious, SERIOUS question: Does anyone know how get into the casting biz? By that, I mean the guy who casts hot chicks as described above? I just want to be around BEAUTIFUL WOMEN where I have some POWER over them, instead of being stuck in a blando office with all dudes. It’s boring, and then some dude HAS THIS JOB.
I WANT THIS JOB, I WANT MODELS, I WANT HOT CHICKS.
I am so depressed now. And this movie better not be some SCATHING EXPOSE of the EXPLOITATION or any bullshit like that. I say that because, YOU CANNOT MAKE A MOVIE about this subject without it being salacious and “hot”; You CANNOT have long scenes of scantily clad girls and THEN look down at the fashion industry or the plight of poor but beautiful girls selling their bodies. Not when YOUR MOVIE is trading on the prurient appeal of that very thing.
It’d be more honest if they just played hip-hop music and poured Cristal over the girls while Ratner and Bay cameoed with Scott Caan and they flashed a big cheery THUMBS UP while making it rain. That’d be a LOT more honest.
Because I AM TELLING YOU, and YOU WILL BELIEVE ME because you know it is true, there is NO CIRCUMSTANCE under which a straight guy does not want to be ogling pretty girls, no matter what serious issues are at hand. The visual and the lecherous ALWAYS wins out, as it’s our prime M.O. I NEVER believe any guy who claims he’s anti-porn or anti-objectification of women. NEVER.
If you value women in your life. You have to not look at them as sex objects. It’s just very fucking weird to view them as two opening legs and not much else.
LexG: Why do I get the feeling that, some day, I’ll be reading a newspaper article about how all your neighbors thought you were such a quiet fellow?
JS: You value the real women, but you want to bang the fantasy women, a dichotomy as old as Catholicism.
I can’t get aroused for a “regular” girl who I actually know, and I can’t relate to any “hot” girl as anything other than an unattainable lust object. I genuinely don’t know how guys get excited for spouses and long-term girlfriends, because as men we’re hard-wired to want skinny young NEW chicks, and once you KNOW a girl (in the Change-Up sense of bathroom habits or in the sense of in-laws and long-term fights where they know what a douche you are), it’s over, Daughtry-style.
MADONNA WHORE COMPLEX POWER.
And I’m gonna MAKE ANOTHER GREAT POINT HERE:
I never hear about Michael Bay, or Brett Ratner, or ANY RAPPER, or Mike Boogie, or Hugh Hefner, or Tommy Lee, or Luc Besson, or ANY COOL DUDE EVER, having to “value women as people” for some settle-down, sit-down aw-shucks COMPLICATED HUMAN RELATIONSHIP. They have gone and will go their whole lives living a life where the women are always new, always hot, always getting banged, and never stick around. I don’t hear about fucking 50 CENT having to respect a woman or not objectify her.
This is WHAT IS BEST IN LIFE.
Lex, they all have to take a shit. If you can’t relate to that, then what can you relate too?
Man, where’s McDouche these days? Never anybody on after 11pm PST. What’s that about? McDouche used to be up ALL NIGHT keeping it lively. If I were still drinking, I’d be lighting this thread up with more GREAT POINTS, but I know I’ll just fall asleep in an hour with no responses, and by morning I won’t care anymore.
Poland throws up malnourished Russian models and K-Stew, and you guys wanna talk about Crystal Skull.
Kinda says it all about movie geeks.
I’d be afraid to post about underage girls. Gosh, I wouldn’t want to be taken for a pedophile! I don’t know what’s wrong with some people. Those girls are all someone’s daughters.
If you were lighting up the thread with GREAT POINTS, you wouldn’t be posting anymore. I couldn’t be happier than not to wake up to profane battles that went nuclear at 4am, following by finger-wagging from Leah and Christian.
Quality, not quantity. (though that claim is sometimes laughable in here)
Why, I see a post from Christian right there at 10:07.
Oh, no, wait, it’s Deathtongue Groupie. Or is it York Durden? Really, what’s the difference? Gex could also be Big Perm, but usually he’s a little funnier about it.
I haven’t posted here for some time. Yet DP drags me into his numb drama. He can’t quit me.
hey DP, william wallace-ing it yet again? how can i put this delicately?
go fuck yourself
but KUDOS for conveniently setting up your blog so there’s nobody left in your little bloke-o-rama sewing circle who will say ‘boo’ to your little pet pandered-to pedo re: such gems as this:
“This is like Eyes Wide Shut crossed with the AUCTION they had at the end of Taken, which is the BEST IDEA EVER”
it’s such a MYSTERY why no chicks can be bothered posting here for longer than 5 minutes
(add to that your convenient editing/removing only psycho-boys’s comments under the guise of ‘very limited censorship’ (journalism!) because lex ’embarrasses’ you, while conveniently ignoring us other embarrassments who have to actually, you know, TAKE RESPONSIBILITY for what we post, strange how that works…plus the threats to ban the only people who call out lex on his supposed ‘shtick’ (yeah right) and pathetic bait threads such as this, and voila! congrats. awesome)
will this comment be ‘disappeared’? is it EMBARASSING enough? will this get me banned?
if so to quote one mr. chow: toodaloo, mutherfukaaaaaaaaaaaas
Oh, our queen of drama has returned.
The only stuff that’s ever been disappeared is you and Lex acting like 7 year olds… not suggesting that he should take responsibility, but being every bit as abusive as he can be while drunk at 4 am. What was your excuse?
Oh wait… there was none… you are above it.
Nothing embarrassing to me about you returning and screeching like a banshee.
It’s almost funny that the two of you respond to me telling Lex that him going over the top would get him perma-banned by making it about yourselves. (at least Christian shows a sense of humor and some perspective.) It didn’t occur to me that I was talking to either of you, since you’ve shoved off for a while.
It’s actually been quite nice in here without you… and without Lex losing his shit.
And as noted a million times… you’re both welcome. Just lay off the personal drama. Lex (aka “my pet”) is under much stricter rules and knows it perfectly well. But it’s never enough for the uber-self-righteous.t
“It didn’t occur to me that I was talking to either of you, since you’ve shoved off for a while.”
Except you just brought my name up without my involvement here for a month. As you did last time I wasn’t involved. Denial and hypocrisy is a bad combo but par for your course.
The Lexification of The Hot Blog is complete.
Back to the film, folks, please. Ashley and David have not made a bad film yet and their “Invisible Girlfriend” was one doc that I will *never* forget. I am totally psyched to see this. Gotta look at the TIFF schedule ASAP.
aw, sorry to say but i never went anywhere, DP, i’ve been otherwise occupied lately but i’ve posted a few times here. maybe you should read your own blog. (but the “returning screeching like a banshee” and “humourless” narrative suits you to a T, your white suit is, as always, pristine in your delusion. your mental dry cleaner is a miracle worker! don’t go changin)
Nice to know the two can stick to your talking points.
If only I could be as self-delusional as you’re convinced I am… life would be so lovely.
“Oh, our queen of drama has returned…”
yes, lex is back…but he still hasn’t the balls to post on HE….rollo tomasi put the fear in him…
It was so nice, peaceful and un-self-righteous here at The Hot Blog for a few weeks. I almost got used to it. Ugh.
absolutely right and my bad…way too long of a happy hour @ tiki no….
At least twice now that scooterzz has brought up some HE nonsense here, which Poland just LOVES…
But since you’re so fascinated, how ironic that you OF ALL PEOPLE find amusement in stalkery threats about “exposing my skeletons,” as if I have any beyond a 1996 parking ticket or two… O you whose identity (not that I care, but just saying) is a fucking STATE SECRET. Would you be whooping it up if some internet asshole was on some stupid MOVIE BLOG insinuating he was gonna post your little scooterzz rants to the world and threatening to get you fired from your job? Yeah, it’s a regular riot to ol’ scooterzz, who’s such an OPEN BOOK.
lex, you have always been fascinated by my ‘losing my job’…it’s amusing because i’d have to fire myself…i own my own business….
I have? Seriously? I will give you the benefit of the doubt and concede I say a LOT of stupid stuff when drunk, or when you get me worked up it drives me nuts having not a clue who you are (or any other hater is), especially when people feel it’s A-OK to get as PERSONAL as they want with me… But at the end of the day it’s just theater, and I sure as shit wouldn’t seriously wish any ill of ANY sort on you. Because I’m not totally insane. Some dude saying he knows who someone else is or what they do or where to find them or “what they’ve done” with a promise of “I’m going to RUIN you” isn’t really the same as me calling you Kevin Thomas.
Especially when you’re totally Rhona Barrett.
I mean, there used to be a dude who launched into me as badly and creepily as ANYONE, then one time they sent me an email… stupidly from an account with their real name attached to it. They never posted here again, but as bad as they got me worked up, really, I’m not some fucking LOON who’s gonna TRACK PEOPLE DOWN who I disagree with on the web.
“Nice to know the two can stick to your talking points.”
i actually have no idea what that means
but i suspect the irony of DP ducking/denial of and inability to stick to – or even address – the issue of his deliberate pandering/enabling is, as always, legend.
(oh film fanatic – or should i call you by your previous moniker – you’re so un-self righteous in your self-righteous indignation! the hypocracy on this blog is, as ever, hilarious. edict: no personal insults, but the blog owner quite happily gets in a dig at christian and i out of the blue as if to balance out his admonishment of psycho-boy, even when neither of us have had a single thing to do with this thread or lex. CLASSIC DP nonsense)
and the post above mine…IT’S EVERYBODY ELSES FAULT YOU MADE ME DO IT!!!!
Let it be stated for the record I haven’t said an ill word about Leahnz since Poland issued the DON’T TALK ABOUT EACH OTHER DECREE.
HIGH ROAD POWER. Also: LOOK AT THE SKINNY MODELS.
angels ARE flying out of yer arse (oh did that get me banned? bummer)
like i said, ‘no balls’…and, ftr: no ‘h’ in rona…
Anyway, what do you care (Scoot)? You’ve been trying to run me off the blogs for at least 2 years, now you’re riding me for NOT posting? You should see the mail I get from JW.
you and wells are a match made in heaven…he’s a fucking nut job also…you should have seen him stumbling around the the ‘warrior’ press day today…just feeble…
Funny how the shit throwing only started up again when Leah turned up.
You know why?
She is right. And anyone else is wrong.
It’s been a long day for reasons that have nothing to do with Leah and which I have to keep to myself. I made the mistake for saying “Candyman” and the rest was inevitable, I guess.
I would appreciate it if everyone else – since Leah is always right and therefore need not be asked to be civil – would just drop the personal shit and move on to another thread.
Thanks and looking forward to a brighter tomorrow.
See, it’s stuff like that: I’m a “nut job,” he’s a “nut job,” hee hee you saw him stumbling around, “just feeble”… I don’t know how many times I can explain to you (and surely you know, since it’s your MO as bad as it is my stalker’s), that when you OFFER UP NOTHING, you could SAY ANYTHING. Like, who are you? Do you look like Sam Worthington and have the effortless charm of James Bond? Are you a millionaire or on food stamps? It just fucking sucks to be run down by someone who could be ANYONE, because there’s no way to come back to anything you say; You create a situation where absolutely everything I do (or Wells does) sucks and you’re SO SUPERIOR to it, but you don’t give me anything to work with. It’s like me going to some NBA star’s blog day and night and he’s making a million dollars, but I keep posting how much he sucks and I saw him at the game– it’s cheap, creepy and something a 12-year-old would do, or a YouTube commenter. You’re obviously on the “scene” enough to feel superior to everyone on the fucking beat, but you call people out then run back to YOUR place of anonymity… then DARE TO MOCK ME for HAVING NO BALLS because I don’t want some INSANE LOON (who threatened a very reputable critic last year with the same MO, not just me) giving out my personal details.
HYPOCRITE.
there is no ‘brighter tomorrow’…you know it…our ‘tomorrows’ are gonna be a bit grim…(and, i’m guessing your comments section will reflect the times)…
it is interesting, however, that you’d want to protect your little buddy lex…
lex — that’s just a crazy rant…
At this point I WOULD NOT REMOTELY be offended if Poland just once, to shut you guys up, posted the probable truth and said, “Yeah, Lex annoys me as much as the rest of you, I’ve given him a zillion chances and he always embarrasses himself and me, he’s annoying and indulgent and I don’t remotely care if he brings hits or not, but I’m a nice guy and I take a little pity on him, but all things being equal, I kinda wish he’d go away for good.”
Which is probably true and wouldn’t offend me in the slightest, I’ve more than earned it, and I don’t know how else to convince the Nerd Herd that Poland has no vested interest WHATSOEVER in me being some Boy Wonder addition to the Hot Blog.
why not save poland the effort, take your (one) ball and go home?…just wondering…
Whatever you say, “Scooterzz”
such a bitch…i’m just making a point…
Scooterzz: Mike Binder sends his regards.
i love it…i wish mike binder would meet me for drinks…actually, i wish you’d meet me for drinks…
isn’t mike binder on ‘futurama’?
and yes, this has all been about me being right and everybody else being wrong, clearly… (the truly scary thing is, you’re actually serious DP. your hypocracy knows no bounds. hardly surprising tho that you should make this about me when this is about you, your pandering to lex, and your apparent obsession with me being ‘right’ even when i have had NOTHING to do with anything in this thread and you still feel the need to apportion blame to me. seek help for your condition) io and anghus, scoot and lex, I HAVE THE POWER!!! i’m gonna go plan a heist while my powers are at their peak
This long-awaited reveal of Scooterzz as some regular-guy looking bland journalist is the biggest letdown since the reveal in Zardoz. I was expecting some flamboyant cross between Dr. Gene Scott, Joel Schumacher and Skip E. Lowe, dressed in a fringe maroon Western jacket with crazed Phil Spector hair.
I’m being harrassed by Kevin from The Office for three years.
you are proving to be certifiable…and, you’re skirting around the whole ‘rollo tomasi’ issue…why no posts on HE?
isn’t rollo tomasi in ‘LA confidential’? (sticking with my confused theme)
on a philosophical bent, i started to ponder if perhaps there are secretly a number of people who kinda get off on blog dust-ups, they rarely come out and say so, but get a perverse little charge from the spectacle/verbal jousting/bandying of insults, like reading a really sad amateur hour version of ‘in the loop’, like a car crash from which you can’t look away, rooting for one party or another — sometimes i myself find brouhahas fascinating in their inside baseball idiosyncrasies and cutting jibes, even as they are uncomfortable to read — then i wondered how DP gets paid, per page hits or views – whatever it’s called – by his sponsors, maybe he actually has a vested interest in baiting for traffic and views, and therefor i just stepped right into his fake pooh, thinking how i’ve been a good little soldier obeying the edicts, only posting when i’ve something to say when i have the time, then playing right into his hands like a big dork by taking the bait and pointing out the obvious: that he’s apparently incapable of telling off lex w/out having to bring up/take a swipe at his perceived ’ememies’ (in DP’s comic-book world of hollywood where grown people have ‘nemesises’ – or ‘nemesi’, whats the plural) irregardless of their non-existent presence pretaining to the item in question, having had nothing to do with anything – and hilariously whom DP has accused of holding grudges when he shows by this very ploy of baiting with insults that he is the biggest holder of grudges this side of the black stump, even as he protesteth too much… and then i wondered if this is indeed true, then maybe i’m a bit of a feeb for not realising i’m just a doop wasting all my best sarcasm/bonza insults so DP can get paid more. or maybe i’m just trippin’
‘on a philosophical bent, i started to ponder if perhaps there are secretly a number of people who kinda get off on blog dust-ups, they rarely come out and say so, but get a perverse little charge from the spectacle/verbal jousting/bandying of insults, like reading a really sad amateur hour version of ‘in the loop’, like a car crash from which you can’t look away, rooting for one party or another’
once, a few times, maybe. but trust me- in fact I think I can probably speak for the majority of regular readers when I say this: it’s unbelievably tedious.
In fact even more so after the period of relative calm we just had and you know… civil, entertaining discourse
‘once, a few times, maybe. but trust me- in fact I think I can probably speak for the majority of regular readers when I say this: it’s unbelievably tedious.’
yup. if people would talk about the post and not the poster, we’d all be better off.
on a side note, i had a hearty laugh thinking about the producer of Girl Model seeing this post and thinking “wow, check out all the people talking up the movie” only to delve deeper and wonder what the fuck was happening.
gee al (and anghus i guess), way to speak up for the (possible) vocal majority. and assuming that you are such for no reason other than the sanctimonious vocal faction tends to be more vocal; certainly more so than the voyeuristic weirdos faction. my point was, i wonder if there are enough perverse fuckers out there (and i can be one at times in the voyeuristic sense) that dust-ups actually get a lot of silent page views, enough so to make shit stirring and being provocative profitable. i could be totally off base because i don’t know how it works
i don’t think so. i mean, who are these things interesting to other than the 2 or 3 people involved with them. i doubt there are silent majorities that enjoy watching grown men and women try and throw salt in each other’s eyes.
i don’t know about ‘silent page views’. I can only comment on the fact that whenever someone starts attacking another poster or i see CAPITAL LETTERS ABOUT THE JAIL BAIT DU JOUR, i mentally check out and go look for more cerebral ventures.
maybe it’s just me.
Actually, I kinds like the idea of tracking down the personal details about “anonymous” blog posters. Maybe that’s why I loved the end of Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back so much.
“Yet every time one person tries to point this out on your site a dozen more jump to this guy’s defense. So I’m left with two possibilities: either I am just in the minority and this is the culture of the internet, or there is a segment of people who read your site, like me, who don’t feel the need to post all the time. We hate how the LexG’s of the internet make these sites their home, and all of the attention he gets, and we say nothing. And I’d wager many have left and said nothing.
http://www.hollywood-elsewhere.com/2011/08/lexg_factor.php
Wow… this was a storm of worthless shit.
(written before I saw Christian’s post)
Christian… you’re singing an old song. And you’re wasting my time by posting Wells’ crap on my blog.
Lex has been fine lately. He’s apparently not drinking and pathetically, your return and Leah’s was brought about because I admonished him and referred to both his prior bad behavior and your and Leah’s inability to get over it.
You’re still beating the same drum.
As I have written, repeatedly, Lex knows that if he goes off the deep end in here again, he’s done. Period. In the meanwhile, he is the only person, aside from Don Murphy, who has ever been banned in here for any length of time. He’s also the only person, again, besides Don, to have his posts removed, though I have removed the responses to some of his shit, as there was no point in leaving comments dangling, thus extending the conversation. None of this has been a secret.
But it’s not enough for you or Leah. He’s your Hitler and whatever you feel his sins are, he can’t be forgiven or indulged in any way without it being an offense against humanity.
Thing is, things have been pretty calm and reasonable in here for the time that you and Leah bailed… even with Lex and IO/JSP doing much of their normal schtick. New people are participating. Things were fine.
You and Leah are both welcome. But not to comment normally and then go on jihads against Lex or anyone else.
You may be 100% right and he might be 100% wrong, but the cure has turned out to be worse than the disease. Like it or not, Lex is a comedy side show much of the time… but petty personal squabbling is exactly the blog death you just posted about.
You can say I am delusional and coddling satan all you like, but I haven’t had to deal with this ugliness in a while… until you two showed up again.
“But not to comment normally and then go on jihads against Lex or anyone else.”
DP, you’re such a sad liar. You drag leah and I into your “finger wagging” comment to lex above (who dragged my name in here first) even tho we were nowhere to be found — again, I haven’t been here in a month — then actually state that WE brought the attacks after you felt the need to include us in your chastisement of lex that had nothing to do with us. Get it? In a court you’d be found guilty of perjury.
“your and Leah’s inability to get over it.”
Since I haven’t posted here in a month and haven’t had any interactions with lex even longer, you’re the one who obviously can’t get over it. You must need the hits.
So clearly you miss the drama that you condemn. And you’re willing to lie to get it. Pathetic and bizarre. You might ask yourself why you and Wells both adopted lex for your blog id. The truth is out there. DENIAL POWER.
Curious as to why Lex felt it necessary to bring up my name at the beginning of this foolishness. I said over on H-E that I’d never again post about him (must have been heartwrenching for him, I know), and I’ve stuck to it. Furthermore, I rarely post here since the level of discourse is usually so pedestrian (if not hijacked outright by a number of offenders), so leave me the fuck out of this bizarre narcissistic internet saga. I will admit to feeling pretty good about being part of the effort to RUN HIM OFF HOLLYWOOD ELSEWHERE ONCE AND FOR ALL, however.
OTOH being name-checked by such a psychopathic internet troll did in fact give me a slight charge. “This is the kind of spontaneous publicity that MAKES people!” ~ Steve Martin
I realize it’s way, way too late to get back to the putative topic of this thread but: I’m really, really looking forward to this doc. The filmmakers discussed it with me when they were in H-Town a while back for screenings of some of their previous work (which I have admired). And I know, based on their previous films, that they have the sensitivity — and the intuition to know just when to simply shut up and observe unobtrusively — to make this work.
Leah, as someone who has contributed many silent page views over the last several years, I don’t think the drama is luring people in. It’s not particularly interesting unless you’re among the small handful of people involved in the argument.
And personally, I’d rather deal with scattered sexist/pedo comments delivered with CAPS than scattered sexist/pedo comments delivered with CAPS followed by walls of self-righteous text that end up hijacking threads.
You’re bad at the internet. Just don’t feed the troll.
Christian, if saying you and Leah “finger wag” is an attack, then I am as guilty of that as you and she are of finger wagging.
If you think that invoking your name as part of the unpleasantness of Lex in the past is not “the truth,” then you are just in your own bubble, beyond hope.
How many times can I say, “Lex has often been a brutish stupid obnoxious idiot in here… but mostly when drunk… and mostly self-loathing, unless he feels under attack”? Also, Lex, unlike you and Leah, who are often provoking him, has been punished, temporarily banned, and censored to some degree. But again, not enough for vindictive people who see only in black and white of their own choice.
Seriously, take a breath read your last comment. You don’t find it a mile over the top and intended to be remarkably nasty?
Yes, you two – though I got slapped at by Leah for noting this before – haven’t been in here for a while… and it’s be so much nicer. Even with Lex.
I don’t need you or Leah or even Lex… and certainly not fucking page views from you people fighting like a bunch of nasty children.
I’m not your daddy. Lex isn’t your asshole kid brother who pulled the heads off your barbies and threw their naked, headless carcasses in the full toilet. If you can’t be in the room with him because you feel he’s sexist/racist/homophobic/whatever, then leave. And if he fucks up and is never on this blog again, you won’t be any more welcome, because you cannot seem to deal with context. If you can grow up, you’re completely welcome. You’re a smart person who has things to contribute.
And if I invoke your name in reference to the bad old days, sorry, but it’s because you were a problem and not a seeker of solutions. Your only “solution” is to tell me what to do about Lex and then to tell me how horrible I am for not doing as you wish.
And York… no idea what goes on at HE… but I am not Jeff, who loves a good lynching… even when he’s lynching himself.
So David — what do you think of the docs by David Redmon and Ashley Sabin?
“And if I invoke your name in reference to the bad old days, sorry, but it’s because you were a problem and not a seeker of solutions.”
My problem of commenting on comments on a blog? You have a worse problem then. Your solution: give lex a platform in your contrarian smirk mode. Until you found out he wasn’t interested in your generosity. Then in defensive mode, you project that he’s been goaded (!) into his rants’n’rage when his blog history is apparent and unarguable. And always somebody else is to blame.
And when I bow out, you continue to bring my name up to somehow prove your illogic that lex doesn’t act in a vacum. You claim the site has been “nice” lately yet when lex complains, you finger-wag me with no relevance to his topic. You create your own shitstorm while you j’accuse others of flinging. It’s tea party revisionism.
As for lex, I wish him nothing but help and happiness. His recent disturbing revelations (sic) which his fans treated with deafening silence shows how much help he does need or else his schtick is truly sick.
To quote MASH: “That is all.”
I love how even an innocuous, non-pointed, general comment in response to yesterday’s flare-up that one would presume everybody here could agree with (hell, even Scooterzz, in the midst of his Lex-baiting by repeatedly bringing up an HE troll who threatened Lex and several others over there, agreed with it!):
“It was so nice, peaceful and un-self-righteous here at The Hot Blog for a few weeks. I almost got used to it”
manages to elicit the following response (or should I say “screed?”) from LeahNZ:
“oh film fanatic – or should i call you by your previous moniker – you’re so un-self righteous in your self-righteous indignation! the hypocracy on this blog is, as ever, hilarious.”
Rebuttal to LeahNZ: A) I don’t have a “previous moniker,” I’ve only been posting here for a little while, though I am a longtime reader. B) “hypocrasy” (sic) is spelled with an “i.” And C) the very fact that you manage to interpret the mere mention of the words “self-righteous” as a personal attack directed straight at you is awfully revealing.
Paranoid much?
Joe – I’ve only seen one of Redmon’s before… the Mardi Gras/China one.
But the footage and his style from that one bodes for an old-school and interesting piece.
“Contrarian smirk mode” and “defensive mode”
Oy.
I’m not s moron. I have NEVER suggested that every offense Lex has committed was someone else’s fault.
But, Christian… you use his bad behavior as an excuse to act like an asshole of equal or greater proportions… and you (and Leah) are never wrong, because he was bad first or worse or whatever makes him an appropriate punching bag in your eyes.
When I begged you and Leah to act like adults and reset the whole way-beyond-control situation. Start clean. Even field. You both left.
Okay. Weak, but okay.
I mentioned you, in context, and ZOOOM… you can’t wait to get back into the old fight. I have no idea what your delusion about “when Lex complains” is.
I wasn’t meaning to drag you two out of your crypts. I’ll try to be more careful before releasing the crackons again.
i did not leave the blog DP, are you brain damaged? seriously
re: the rest, yawn
the usual expected and predictable DP self-serving denial and twisting of facts that i could have ghost written last night almost word for word, because
a)he can’t admit he baits lex for page views (if DP thinks everyone doesn’t know this post was to bait lex into perving about borderline jailbait white women then, well, what can one say but yikes, get real)
and b)he had a snarky dig at christian and i out of nowhere for no reason with no provocation, for which he should have apologised rather than go into pompous self- righteous denial mode when we say, “wait on, how is having a dig at us calling us ‘finger waggers’ relevant to lex’s behaviour in this instance, bullshit” it’s a cavalcade of DP trying desperately to excuse his behaviour under the guise of simply ‘talking about the past’ becuase he can’t admit his own behaviour or help but attempt to tie us into lex’s nonsense even when we’re nowhere to be found, which is a textbook example of deflection, denial and enabling.
but then WOW, THIS BOMBSHELL to christian, which i believe says it ALL:
“If you can’t be in the room with him because you feel he’s sexist/racist/homophobic/whatever, then leave.”
finally, the TRUTH is spoken:
LEX CAN SAY ANY KIND OF OFFENSIVE SHIT IN HERE HE WANTS, AND IF YOU DON’T LIKE IT, LEAVE
well it’s about time!
so it’s not, yes lex’s sexist/racist/homophobic/whatever behaviour is at times unacceptable and can be offensive and he deserves to be called out on it and reel it in a bit, because this isn’t actually his blog, no instead it’s: LEX IS THE CONSTANT, IF YOU DON’T LIKE THE VILE NONSENSE LEX SPEWS, LEAVE.
does it feel good to finally come out with it DP? i bet it does. what a breakthrough for you.
(and sdp, thanks for what would appear at least to be a fairly non-snarky reply to my babble as a lurker, and i know what you’re saying about feeding trolls, but i think the context here is much different, lex as (see above) the baited and anointed one. i find this quite interesting:
“And personally, I’d rather deal with scattered sexist/pedo comments delivered with CAPS than scattered sexist/pedo comments delivered with CAPS followed by walls of self-righteous text that end up hijacking threads.”
curious, but are you by chance male? again, the prevailing attitude is, ‘just let lex say whatever revolting offensive misogynist homophobic stuff he likes, it’s the calling him on his bullshit that’s annoying, it’s “self-righteous” and the fault for derailing a thread lies with you the objector, not lexg for offensive usually off-topic self-centered rants and going psycho when his provocative bs gets called out’.
ahh, and thus the lexGs of the world get an unchallenged platform from which to spew their sickness, no biggie, it’s the self-righteous people who call him on it that should shut the fuck up, not lex)
well that’s the hotblog. rock on
Yeah, I’m not getting this whole thing. Dave merely mentioned how, in his opinion, it’s been much nicer here since Lex cooled it on the kind of stuff that used to lead to “profane battles” among the posters and “finger-wagging” from christian and leah. If it’s a dig, it seems directed equally at Lex, christian and leah. At any rate, Dave’s characterization of those battles doesn’t exactly seem like revisionist history to me.
As for Lex’s EYES WIDE SHUT/TAKEN auction line, if one doesn’t find it funny, is it so hard to just refrain from laughing, roll your eyes and move on? What’s the worst that could happen if no one “calls Lex out” on his shtick (or “shtick,” if you prefer)? The veterans here have seen every possible attack and defense. There’s nothing to be gained by rehashing it. We pretty much know what Dave considers ban-worthy behavior. If Lex starts a fire, he’s gone. If you pour gas on it, you’re gone.
ETA: I wrote the above before seeing leah’s post, so it’s not to be taken as a response to it. I kept getting interrupted, so it took me almost half an hour to finish it up.
“If it’s a dig, it seems directed equally at Lex, christian and leah.”
yeah, gee yancy, christian and i really had an equal snarky rebuff coming for all our not saying anything to or about lex for months, makes PERFECT sense. christ get clue.
and you found lex’s ‘taken’ line about the sale of white female sex slaves funny? how nice for you
it’s always fascinating how the blokes on the blog think because they personally don’t find something offensive, or find something funny, if others don’t feel the same way, JUST KEEP QUIET ABOUT IT. so yancy, you don’t find something offensive so nobody else can either, and if they do, just keep quiet? because you think lex is funny? who fucking cares.
and the other gem here is, if one doesn’t find lex funny, they don’t have a sense of humour. classic.
This is normally THE HOT BLOG. Except when LeahNZ deigns to make an appearance. Then it becomes THE HOT-AIR BLOG.
You are a bore. Please go back into exile.
if i’m a bore, you’re a corpse
(except when i deign to make an appearance? i’ve been here for like 8 years or something, persnickety ‘film fanatic’ – what an imaginative moniker, did you make it up all by yourself? well done – and never “in exile”, sorry. and why am i LeahNZ, do you feel the need to capitalise me because of your anal fixation? please go back to whatever rock you’ve crawled out from under a few weeks ago, or go read one of the umpteenth other threads on this blog since i’ve been in just the one, are you being forced to read this one thread at gunpoint? i hope so, with the barrel up that nose you seem so fond of looking down, that would be fitting. tut tut)
Leah… you have become the thing to which you have so strenuously objected.
And yes, your behavior in this thread is exactly what I said would get you banned a couple of months ago. You had that right from the beginning and you seem to feel compelled to push me to action.
And so… you’re now being moderated. Get in your big shots in the next post, if that’s where you’re going. I will publish it – at least the parts that I don’t consider libelous of anyone except me – and then, you’ll be banned for a month.
If you submit anything that isn’t primarily attacks on others, I will publish it and take you off “monitored probation” in a day or two.
I’m also going to moderate anything that mentions you for a while. So the rest of you… lay off and let it rest for a while, please.
Is that the proof that I am a horrible delusional hypocrite that you’ve been looking for? Great. Happy to give you something to work out in therapy.
When the only answer you can allow for is for everyone to agree with you, there is no answer that serves anyone but you. This is the thing that’s driven the ban of every person who has ever been banned in here. Hijacking and being unwilling to stop.
This part of your character always turned up now and again, but now, it seems to be the only thing you want to do. Won’t have it… anymore than I will have it will Lex.
So what does everybody think of that GIRL MODEL trailer? Looks interesting.
And ….. scene.
Sorry, film fanatic, but your post is just way too sensible.
I think that you and I and a few others on here had better go drink some of the “crazy juice” that other folks seem to be having so we’ll fit this blog better….
Dang it, Jeffrey Boam’s Doctor — I have to learn to type faster. LOL
Waiting for David’s post about D-23 and how it does/doesn’t matter and/or inevitably makes Comic-Con look useless.
leah, I offered no personal opinion of Lex’s auction line. But yeah, I think at this point in the history of the blog, it should be clear that there’s no point in engaging with Lex when he offends you. It just leads to the same result, time and again. Doesn’t mean you can’t register your objection to it. As far as I recall, Dave never had a problem with anyone taking issue with Lex’s rants. The problem was the descent into name-calling and vitriol, until it got to the point that all three of you were put on notice.
I personally have no problem with anyone speaking up when they’re offended (how ridiculous that I feel I have to type that sentence). But I do think that in this particular circumstance, after all the history here, it’s pretty much a waste of time.
Maybe Lex should put a warning at the top of all his posts: “The following post may be perceived by some as misogynistic, racist, pervy and/or in questionable taste. Your objections are preemptively noted.”
David: I realize you have little or no time to do this pre-TIFF, but if you could manage a double bill of Kamp Katrina and Invisible Girlfriend, you would be very glad that you did.
blaze of glory, baby!
don’t you get it DP? i don’t give a shit if you ban me, you’ve shown your hand, and i’ve said my piece. if you ‘publish’ this, fine, if not, c’est la vie, we’ll see i guess.
now i’m off to see my law-yer about suing your ass for falsely accusing me of libel on your blog…seth rogan will be serving the papers disguised as something rather ingenious, so watch out for strange water cooler delivery boys or slouchy street pamphlet passer-outers or cap-wearing couriers or horn-rimmed bespectacled mormon door-knockers spreading the good news. when you least expect it, expect it! (remember: just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they’re not out to get you)
(psyche!)
like i said before, rock on
Pop quiz: Which commenter whose name starts with “L” has hurled more invective in this thread?
A: The Kiwi, by a landslide.
And for those saying “don’t feed the troll,” whose behavior in this thread has been more “troll”-like?
A: see above
HOLD ON! Are you telling me that Shopgirl isn’t a realistic representation of LA dating? Are you telling me… figuratively of course… that a guy that looks like Schwartzbaum can’t pull a woman like Danes ins LA without serious cash? COME ON! THAT’S CRAZY TALK!
Schwarzman is good looking with a workable head of hair.
You left out loser unemployed 20 something artist/musician in the L.A. attractive white woman dating list. Schwartzman in SHOPGIRL would fall under this rubric. It reminds me of an old joke:
Q: What do strippers do with their assholes before going to work?
A: Drop them off at band practice.
i dont know if a non-famous guy who looks like Schwartzman would clean up, but ive heard a few girls talk about him in that “wouldn’t mind hanging out with him/sexing him up” kind of way.
Back in the 70’s, there were women who thought Woody Allen was ‘sexy’.
it takes different strokes to move the world, yes it does.
Everything leahnz said here is spot on! She’s the most interesting person on this blog, and she tells it like it is – plus she knows her stuff, more so than most of the other banal commenters here combined.
leahnz, if you’re reading this: We love you! It won’t be the same here without your spice, and we hope you’re not gone for good.
LexG: We all hope some barely legal white trash gives you syphilis!
WTH? I thought you were supposed to leave comments about the movie? What a bunch of idiots!
By the way, I am looking forward to seeing the movie.
I agree with you 100%, Elaine, though none of us have seen the movie.
I am very much looking forward to this kind of doc about this kind of subject. The vulnerability of these girls, even in pursuit of something not very serious, can be profound.
Vulnerable chicks RULE ALL.
aw, this may not post but i had to try just to say cheers to ‘INX’, v. kind of you (and by ‘you’ i’m kinda hoping when you say ‘we’ you mean it as in ‘plural’ rather than the gollum way…but hey i’ll take that too i’m not fussy)
inx — lex has made it perfectly clear that he can’t afford/can’t find white trash…he’s also made it perfectly clear that he couldn’t perform if he did…so, your hopes may be dashed on this one…
Scooterzz: Doesn’t it EVER get old?
I have seen the movie. It is great.