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Trailer: The Avengers

I get a very “Iron Man & The Avengers Take NY” vibe from this.

And how ’bout those exploding cars! Did Emmerich or JJ have some leftover footage to sell them?

Fine as a teaser. Looks like a slightly more animated version of the photo releases.

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91 Responses to “Trailer: The Avengers”

  1. Paul MD (Stella's Boy) says:

    Looks exactly like I expected. Effective enough at introducing the concept and characters in 2 minutes. But maybe you have to really love these characters to get all jazzed up about it. Looks like another superhero movie. Big city attacked, huge explosions, lots of pontificating about fighting bad guys and protecting earth. Yeah it’s got a good cast and lots of superheroes together, but it still looks like the same old, same old.

  2. Martin says:

    So.. neither Ed Norton nor Eric Bana were available?? Looks like a fun action movie, but just for symmetry you’d think they would try to get the same actors from the original movies, wasn’t that kind of the point?

  3. Breedlove says:

    Well, Norton essentially got fired, had some sort of falling out with the Marvel people or something. Going back to Bana is a interesting idea, I wonder if that was ever considered.

  4. Don R. Lewis says:

    I tend to agree with Paul but I still kinda dug it. Looks cooler than I thought it might.

  5. Paul MD (Stella's Boy) says:

    I sure can’t argue that it doesn’t look cool, but outside of all those characters being together in a single movie, I get a feeling of deja vu watching the trailer.

  6. Eric says:

    I have to assume the big effects shots aren’t finished, because this looks downright stingy.

    And I’m worried that Tony Stark is the only character who will benefit from Joss Whedon’s contrived dialogue.

  7. krazyeyes says:

    Not a big Whedon fan outside of Firefly and a few seasons of Buffy. I thought Serenity was horrible and a blight on the TV series. Angel had some OK moments but suffered from the same problems as the late-series Buffy. Dollhouse was contrived and dull. Plus, all of his stuff has a same-ness since he’s really only got one writing style.

    I’m wondering who Whedon’s going to kill off in this one.

  8. Man! I just loved everything about that trailer! So awesome…

  9. JS Partisan says:

    Yeah this trailer is tremendous and you really have to be a jammie dodger to not get excited by this trailer. Seriously, Cap and Tony arguing and wearing their gear in the same room is literally everything I’ve ever wanted since the first time I picked up an Avengers comic.

    Nice of the horror fan of all people to find this to be the same old thing, when it’s not. Good lord just good lord but that’s horror fans for you!

  10. hcat says:

    Is Cap firing an Uzi? They have actually read these comic books right?

    I have gotten more excited about the idea of this, but then the trailer comes and sucks the wind out of the sails. I don’t know what I was expecting but this hardly looks like the EPIC that this series was supposed to be leading up to. My kid has gotten to be a total Avengers fanatic due to the current cartoon and I have to say I am looking forward to the second season of that a lot more than I am looking forward to this movie.

  11. Nick says:

    Hawkeye’s bow wobbles, thor obviously was off the steroid cycle for the shoot, and robert downey looks OLD. and i can’t wait for all the snarky iron man quotes. i mean, if the trailer was pretty much line after line of snark, what more could we be in store for?

  12. Paul MD (Stella's Boy) says:

    Speaking of the same old thing, thanks for the insult IO. I figured it was coming quickly and would involve horror, and you did not disappoint! Congrats. You can now go back to reading kids stories featuring grown men dressing up in silly costumes to fight evil.

  13. UMAD says:

    @hcat yeah, Joss Whedon has actually written comics. What have you done in the comic industry? And Ultimate Cap, and Bucky Cap have used guns, so stop your whining.

  14. hcat says:

    And other than a not exactly chilling shot of Loki walking down the hallway, what is the peril the earth is facing? Sure the ground is blowing up beneath the cars, but that used to happen almost monthly in Georgetown. So unless they have teamed up to battle the growing threat of sewer gas I don’t really get a sense of the stakes.

    and UMAD, wasn’t aware I had to be actually in the comic book industry to watch the movie or comment on it. And pointing out issues with a poorly put together trailer is hardly whining. Its amazing how some can’t stand critisicm of work thats not even theirs.

  15. Paul MD (Stella's Boy) says:

    hcat, I hope you learned your lesson. You are not allowed to think that this doesn’t look like the greatest movie ever. Please keep that in mind before making other Avengers-related comments. Thank you.

  16. JS Partisan says:

    HC, you do know that it’s set in the future, so he could be firing an UZI? You get that right? What he appears to be firing is some NATO small arms looking thing, which would make sense in a S.H.I.E.L.D sort of way.

    Now your complaints are typical you but we do not know who the villain is outside of Loki. If Skrulls are attacking the NYC, that’s a bloody epic looking thing right there. If you have seen the behind the scenes shots, they are fighting in a war zone, and it looks ridiculous. So, yeah, don’t feel it but there’s more going here, but you do your expectations thing. You puny human XD!

    Nick, it’s supposed to be Cap yelling at Tony a lot, so there’s something!

    ETA: Paul, you do know those stories are inspiring to billions? Seriously, you love a genre that is shite, but you bag on one loved by so many more people of so many varied ages, and that actually celebrates life at it’s best then the death you reveille in! If that’s an insult then I will keep on insulting you over and over and over again XD!

    Paul, I really don’t care what you or him think of this, but you really get so anal when someone calls you on your shit. Seriously, go watch the new Human Centipede movie all Jeffy Mac style, and leave the inspiring and fun films to the rest of us.

  17. Paul MD (Stella's Boy) says:

    So does NATO normally supply small arms to The Avengers? And what’s a Skrull?

    I’m glad they inspire billions, and I never once said I hated superhero movies. In fact I like a lot of them, and my son is starting to get into superhero cartoons. But go ahead, keep hurling puerile and inaccurate insults. If you’re good at something…

  18. JS Partisan says:

    Paul, you are a horror fan, has that changed? If that’s a puerile and inaccurate insult then are you into romcoms now?

    Seriously, if you don’t know what a Skrull is, then what good are you XD? Also, it’s a small arm and that’s a GI JOE reference, but god forbid you get something that doesn’t involve a teenage girl being cut in half for some stupid puerile and inaccurate reason!

  19. Paul MD (Stella's Boy) says:

    LOL! Now that’s a post that truly speaks for itself. Nothing more to say.

    Back to wikipedia for my skrull search.

  20. JS Partisan says:

    Again horror fans can endure people being a centipede but you make a movie featuring a CLU! They shit themselves all sideways, and Skrulls are awesome. Especially if they come in the SUPER SKRULL VARIETY!

  21. palmtree says:

    I’m with hcat re: the stakes. If you gather this group of amazing superheroes, it should feel like the last resort response to a crisis, not a gathering of a superheroes anonymous meeting. I know the eventual film is gonna have amazingly high stakes, but this trailer felt a little lacking.

    And I hate horror movies.

  22. hcat says:

    IO, Come on, you can’t reasonably expect anyone to get a G.I. Joe reference.

    And its not the type of hardware he’s firing that threw me, just that he is firing a weapon at all which is different that the Cap I knew and grew up with. As I MAD pointed out in his own special way, apparently guns are part of his charecter now, something that I was unaware of. Personally I think it takes something away from the charecter.

    As for it being epic, yes the Skrulls would be epic, perhaps they could include it. We are not talking about behind the scenes photos, or stuff leaked on the internet, we are talking about the trailer posted above. And of course we have to explain to you that even though we think it is poorly put together it is not an attack on your person and everything you hold dear (that will happen about 3 pm today when you become insufferable).

  23. storymark says:

    “Is Cap firing an Uzi? They have actually read these comic books right?”

    I’m kinda wondering that about you….

    ETA; Okay, it from after you read the comics, my bad.

  24. JS Partisan says:

    HC, it’s not poorly put together, it’s one of the better trailers of it’s kind, and I have to explain to some of you that once again it’s the same criticisms you give to all of these films, and that never ceases to be frustrating to read.

    It’s a fine trailer, expecting everything explained to you in OCTOBER from a MAY movie is just so limited in thinking, that I wonder what exactly you need to get excited from these trailers because if I remember correctly, you and Paul are always the curmudgeonly guys shitting on trailers to these big films.

    Cap is also firing a gun for a reason. When Bucky held the mantle as Cap, he carried a gun, but Steve will use a gun on a motherfucker. If that motherfucker ie SKRULL has it coming, or he has to destroy something.

  25. Paul MD (Stella's Boy) says:

    It does look better than The Avengers movie with Ralph Fiennes and Uma Thurman. I haven’t seen that one since it was in theaters though, so maybe I should give it a rewatch.

  26. hcat says:

    Yes Storymark you are correct, I haven’t purchased a comic book in a long long time. But neither will the majority of ticket buyers for the film. Found it strange that they had changed the character (thanks for the correction) in such a way. To me it would be like Batman or Green Arrow using a gun.

    And IO I will admit to my Curmudgeon tedencies, but for an example of the type of trailers that did work look at the teaser and trailer to 2012. First one set up the stakes well showing the devestation and the second gave more of the specific action setpieces. Now the movie itself wasn’t great but they were able to sell the hell out of it. As others have pointed out those exploding cars were rather generic and not the best use of the trailers time.

  27. storymark says:

    “But neither will the majority of ticket buyers for the film. Found it strange that they had changed the character (thanks for the correction) in such a way.”

    I honestly don’t see that as an issue in the least. The vast majority of filmgoers will be primarily familiar with Cap from his own movie – where he used a gun a fair amount. Contrast this to Batman, who hasn’t used a gun in the lifetime of anyone who’d be watching his films. Cap was using a machine gun onscreen a month ago.

  28. Jason says:

    I think it looks entertaining. Sure the trailer could be more “GEE WIZZ SHE-BANG!” But here’s hoping the movie is unbelievable compared to the trailer instead of the opposite like for instance, how the Tansformers movies are (GEE WIZZ SHE-BANG trailers, meh movie).

  29. hcat says:

    Story, thats a fair point that people’s main point of reference will be the Cap movie. And if its current to the comics than it is just my being a prematurely grumpy old man and shaking my withered fist that they do not have MY Captain America up there on screen. I had a similiar reaction to the first Iron Man when Stark was a slick wise-cracking playboy when the Iron Man I grew up with was more humorless and determined.

  30. JS Partisan says:

    HC, this isn’t me being a contrarian to you just to be a contrarian, but I hated the 2012 trailer. All it established it that a lot of shit got blown up. Unlike the Avengers trailer, which set up the menace about us being made to be ruled, something from on high attacking us, and the Avengers having to work their ass off to save the day. That’s what the trailer is about… a team coming together to overcome the unstoppable and it achieves that goal. Disagree but come on, stop it, please XD!

    Also, Tony gets thrown out the window from Loki. I hope he either has some new armor ie EXTREMIS or someone catches him. Seriously, Loki throwing Tony Stark is such a great comic book image that I get the tinglies typing about it.

    Guy with my name has a point about the Transformers trailers. Seriously, could there be more in this trailer? Yes, but it’s only OCTOBER! We still have the January/February Super Bowl spot to go and the March trailer. Until then, it’s an enjoyable set-up for more to come.

  31. storymark says:

    Im in this trailer (if really, reeeeaaaaly tiny) – and that’s just surreal beyond words, so Im soaking it in.

  32. Tuck Pendelton says:

    The music blows. They could have added a famous heroic score or recognizable music..

    These movies ain’t in my normal wheelhouse to begin with, but doesn’t this look plain ordinary to anyone else?

  33. storymark says:

    A song from an Oscar winner and highly accomplished musician, whith lyrics that speak directly to the actual plot of the film…. yep, that blows.

  34. Paul MD (Stella's Boy) says:

    Maybe he just doesn’t like the song, Oscar winning & highly accomplished musician notwithstanding.

    Good thing this trailer has The Defenders here, ensuring that every little bit of criticism is quickly and robustly refuted. If The Defenders teamed up with The Avengers, imagine what could be accomplished.

  35. JKill says:

    I loved the use of NIN in the trailer. It was almost as awesome as the use of Eminem in the M:I4 one.

  36. Paul MD (Stella's Boy) says:

    NIN and Eminem, it’s like the 90s up in this piece.

  37. storymark says:

    LOL. True.

    Though, to be pedantic – 90% of Eminem’s music is from this century (as is the song in question, for that matter).

  38. Luke K says:

    It did what it needed to for me. I am still interested. I just hope that a major plot line is not about one of them losing their powers or not being ready to handle the responsibility of being a hero. Please bring some fresh ideas to this. Is it too much to ask?

  39. hcat says:

    IO, to be fair to the 2012 trailers the whole of the movies WAS blowing shit up so the trailers were pretty accurate to the experience.

    And the guy with both our names points out the Transformers trailers as examples of the whiz bang kablowie overload, but the actual teasers of those gave very little information. If I recall you praised the effectiveness of the Dark of the Moon teaser setting up a sense of mystery and dread. That is what seems to be missing here. Its not that I want more Bang Pow, its just that the Bang Pow they provide (flipping cars, random flying) doesn’t inspire in me the pavlovian response a teaser to a huge tentpole should.

  40. Paul MD (Stella's Boy) says:

    Obviously I need to brush up on my Eminem tunes. Not really familiar with anything he’s done in the last, oh, 10 years.

  41. SamLowry says:

    Okay, Scarlett, we know women look sexy when they pucker and blow, but in every single shot?

    And as for writing comic books, Kevin Smith has written a few yet I didn’t see Hollywood tossing this movie at his feet. Actually, “Kevin Smith’s The Avengers” might be a damn good movie.

    Paul MD, the original “The Avengers” looked amazingly cool; too bad the story didn’t make a lick of sense. Hope we don’t see a repeat of that.

  42. JS Partisan says:

    NIN showed up in the 80s and much like their time in the 90s, Trent is beyond the time in which his music exist.

  43. Paul MD (Stella's Boy) says:

    But NIN is looked at as a ’90s band right? Like if you had to associate them with a decade of music.

  44. JS Partisan says:

    Paul, not if you know anything about their music, so that would be no.

  45. storymark says:

    If I HAD to, sure. But that’s not where my head goes when I hear a NIN song. But yes, the band saw the majority of its success, and pretty much all their good songs, in the 90’s.

    And, to correct myself, the song in the trailer is from the 90’s – just barely, as it was release at the end of ’99.

  46. Paul MD (Stella's Boy) says:

    I’ve seen them live IO and am fairly familiar with their music, though admittedly I’m not a diehard. Mine was an innocuous and sincere question though, and you never cease to amaze me with your ability to be a complete and total asshole all of the time, no matter what.

    I am truly and sincerely sorry for mistakenly believing that NIN is looked upon as a ’90s band. I was an undergrad student from 1997-2001, and I think of them as a ’90s band. My mistake.

  47. Keeping in mind that I’m judging a teaser, not the finished film, I was a bit underwhelmed.

    It feels pretty small in scale, less about fighting off a planetary threat and more like defeating a random mad bomber. And, the teaser is a prime example of a classic fake-sell*: a movie that seems action-packed until you notice that 80% of the action beats are seemingly from one scene (the exterior New York explosion-fest which I presume is the finale). Point being, at $220 million ($20 million more than the nearly action-less Iron Man 2), I worry that this will be more like pretty much every Marvel movie save Captain America, with almost no actual action and/or adventure (saving grace – the most action-packed and best of the Marvel films was ironically the cheapest at $140 million).

    Aside from Downey’s quips, the dialogue is pretty bland, with Jackson hilariously taking 25 seconds to explain a very basic concept (take all the best good guys and point them at the bad guys) and Downey’s painfully on-the-nose ‘explanation’ of the title. The Titan A.E./Drive-worthy song (IE – song lyrics that explicitly detail on the onscreen action or emotional beats, spoofed in Baseketball) doesn’t help either. Johansson is apparently there just to look hot as she again (following the Iron Man 2 poster) causes an explosion by passing gas. Again, it’s just a trailer, I was far more pumped by the post-Captain America tease than this longer trailer. Of course, if the movie delivers in terms of action and character, than all of this will be irrelevant. But for now, I’m less excited than I was this time yesterday.

    * For those who care –

    * The Iron Man 2 poster in question –

  48. David Poland says:

    I think it’s ok. It really does remind me of that EW cover… seems like some photoshopped together moments.

    But there is a looong way to go.

    “If we can’t save the earth, we’ll avenge it.”

    Is that really the origin of their group name? “We’re f*** ups who can’t save humanity, but we’ll kick some ass after all you regular humans are dead?”

  49. Jason says:

    Now here’s an interesting debate: who wins the box office between Bats and Avengers? I think it will be fascinating to follow.

  50. storymark says:

    I doubt that’s the origin of the name – since Jackson said it in the Iron Man movies. Likely more Stark’s play on
    the existing name.

    Just noticed Downey’s wearing a Black Sabbath shirt. Cool.

  51. SamLowry says:

    And here I thought Scarlett was there to fan away the taint of homoeroticism that might arise from a movie featuring wall-to-wall muscular guys.

    Mysterious planetary threat…kinda like the poop clouds in Green Lantern? Anyone else get a Green Lantern vibe off this trailer? Maybe if we repeat “Green Lantern” over and over we might unintentionally, of course, send the stock prices of Marvel and Paramount crashing through the floor.

  52. hcat says:

    I think Bats wins the box office derby. Avengers can really only help that. If Avengers underwhelms people will still want their superhero fix, if it rocks people will be left wanting more. And worldwide I think Avengers will do less than Spiderman and Bats who will do stronger business abroad.

    Going only by the original comic, yes the name is said in the same clunky fashion. Pretty much “hey how about we be the avengers?”

    And Paramount is completly out of the loop on this one right? This is the first All Disney/Marvel produced/distributed film?

  53. JS Partisan says:

    Scott, really? Really? Really? Good lord, really?

  54. Pete B. says:

    Paul MD:
    I’d be much more excited to see The Defenders on screen.

    This is a pretty bland trailer.

  55. SamLowry says:

    Suicide Squad for me. Talk about high-concept: super-villains forced by the authorities who caught them to perform missions that have a pretty good chance of killing them.

  56. storymark says:

    A single shot of some sort of invading armada or something would have brought it all together.

  57. Sideshow Bill says:

    IO, I’m a horror fan AND I love the trailer and can’t wait to see the movie (much like many many other horror fans. The genres overlap more than your feeble mind seems to recognize). So you’re bitching about horror fans here just to have something to bitch about, which is typical. And dull as fuck.

  58. Eric says:

    Honest question: Where does “The Avengers” team name come from? It’s always seemed kind of arbitrary to me. Was there any avenging done in the first issue of the comic series or something? This should be a softball for some of the old school comic fans around here.

    I ask because of Downey’s line in the trailer. It seems like they’re having to go out of their way to explain the name.

  59. David Poland says:

    Iron Man slept with a secretary who was then killed by a supervillain. He was asked to avenge her death.

    He said, “Avenge her? I hardly know her!”

    After the laughter subsided, he rubbed his goatee and said, “Hmmm… Avenge her… Aveng… gher… Avengers! Great name. Call Thor!”

  60. The Big Perm says:

    Okay trailer, but where was Superman? You’d think they would at least show him.

  61. Jason says:

    I’m not the least bit underwhelmed. Pretty much dug it. Enjoyed the WhedonSpeak – some hate his dialogue, I love his dialogue – and really loved the split second of Hulk. I think they’re keeping the big bad under wraps and unspoiled for now. I believe there is a bigger menace (Skrulls? Probably) than has been revealed in the trailer. I like the fact they didn’t blow their whole wad early. Works for me.

  62. Re- SamLowry, Paramount is not distributing this one, Disney is. Paramount sold their Marvel distribution rights to Disney and Captain America was the last one. So I’m sure Paramount would LOVE people “repeating ‘Green Lantern’ over and over”.

  63. Tofu says:

    Yeah, the lack of Wonder Woman was also a major letdown.

    But seriously, Nine Inch Nails is usually a pretty swank choice for trailer music, but here it just came across as generic rock music track #3. Too bad, since the song title was clever.

  64. SamLowry says:

    Ah well, I was just going by what was given in the trailer. Darn those tricky trailering types.

  65. Joe Leydon says:

    Wait, where’s Diana Rigg? Damn. Did she get left out of another “Avengers” movie? That sucks.

  66. zadoc says:

    I think the best thing about this trailer is the choice of music. NIN for the win. So, what do you think?

    POLL: ‘The Avengers’ trailer is out – what do you think?

  67. LexG says:

    1.85:1 = not even a real movie.

    How do make a movie with 12 superheroes in the frame with a zillion dollar budget, and then shoot it in low-rent-ass 1.85?

  68. JS Partisan says:

    Bob, wow, you’re the only one with taste. GOOD FOR YOU! GOOD FOR YOU!

    The sheer level of non-enjoyment from the lot of you is why this blog is what it is. Seriously, it’s hilarious, but that’s the hot blog for ya!

  69. JKill says:

    The aspect ratio thing is kinda odd, considering that even CAPTAIN AMERICA was scope. I wonder what the basis of that choice was…I’m sure there’s a reason of some kind.

  70. David Poland says:

    Funny, Perm.

    And yes, that is a Par logo up front… very odd.

  71. LexG says:

    “I wonder what the basis of that choice was…I’m sure there’s a reason of some kind.”

    The director is a TV hack with no eye?

  72. palmtree says:

    Yeah, it was all the close, medium shots that don’t sell the scope of this movie. It feels too small.

    Having said that, I usually assume that good movie trailers tend to be for mediocre movies. Bad movie trailers tend to be for good-great movies. The reason is that it’s usually much easier to make a shitty movie look good through selective editing. A good-great movie has a greater chance of suffering from its images and story being taken out of context.

  73. JKill says:

    But SERENITY was in 2:35…

    The DVD commentary for ALIENS has an interesting part where Cameron admits to regretting that he didn’t shoot it in scope like the original.

  74. Foamy Squirrel says:


    Early footage of the video game tie-in show the Avengers fighting Skrulls (think Klingons except green and the wrinkly forehead is now a wrinkly chin).


    ETA – the footage in question:

  75. SamLowry says:

    So is the crisis averted by Mister Fantastic hypnotizing the Skrulls so they turn into cows? (…resulting in yet another crisis decades later, resolved by a third-tier cast member who happens to be lactose-intolerant.)

    Yes, that shizz really happened. Thank you, Stan Lee, for all the trippy memories.

  76. Pete B. says:

    “Promise we’ll be contented!”

  77. SamLowry says:

    The original Happy Cows!

    …until Grant Morrison turned them into hamburger. Those must’ve been some exceedingly rare burgers to pass along active Skrull DNA to their consumers.

  78. yancyskancy says:

    This is still in post, right? Isn’t it possible that the lack of ‘money shots’ in the trailer has more to do with which f/x have been completed than anything else?

    I can’t really participate much in these trailer autopsies though. I have pretty much the same opinion about every trailer I see: Looks like it could be good. Or possibly bad. Or somewhere along the spectrum in between. Hope it’s good.

  79. anghus says:

    i thought it looked great. yes, the scope is small. the FX aren’t done.

    the only shot i hated was the one with Jeremy Renner flicking the bow in some kind of workout t shirt that made him look like he was on an episode of Smallville.

    It did what it needed to do, it got people interested. The real test comes in January when they start launching Super Bowl shots and selling the scope of it.

  80. LexG says:

    They should do one of these THEY’RE ALL HERE! mashup movies but with Bella Swan, Hermione, Red Riding Hood, Catwoman Hathaway, Alice-Wasikowska, Carol Ferris, Aquamarine, Sue Storm, and the Bratz Girls.


  81. Edward says:

    Thank God Scott Mendelson is here to provide links to his blog!

    The trailer needs more hot Cobie Smulders action… and she and Joss need to make the Wonder Woman movie already!

  82. Triple Option says:

    So would you call this a soft launch? I’m down w/getting people (even more) excited for this film but if you’re doing a trailer like 8 mos out, why not have it be more conceptual and less footage of what you’d actually see in the film? How many trailers do we expect to see between now and when the film comes out? I know I’m gonna end up seeing the whole film even before I sit down.

    Why wouldn’t you wait until the Super Bowl? I guess you may have a concern about stuff leaking out over the interwebs so you might as well combat that as much as you can control but doesn’t a big film like this deserve a big launch? Like Game 1 of the World Series or do something in conjunction w/black Friday, I don’t know, is there an expected hugh Thanksgiving movie? I kinda thought w/some other trailers there was even an announcement as to when the first trailer would drop?? Was that the case here?

    No complaints about the trailer itself. Obviously surprised to actually see something at this point. I do wonder how they’re going to incorporate all the characters. I guess it makes sense to at least start by focusing on Downey’s charm, though in terms of an actual action film I don’t know if Iron Man would make my top 3 for who I’d like to see do most of the fighting and who I’d like to follow the most. Eh, maybe.

    Because of the money that’s on the line and the expectations are soooo high, I do wonder if we aren’t looking at a reversion to the early teen boy targeted film. I suppose the first two X-Men could play to adults and get the kids to by the happy meals, or whatever, but I think the thing that’s culling my expectations on this are fears of film where a committee drafted a checklist of things that have to be included and when or that this’ll be a film that plays out like a theme ride at an amusement park. And no, I don’t mean a “rollercoaster ride” type of thriller but one of the ones that they let you ride no matter how short you are of if your pregnant grandmother with the heart condition rides next to you.

  83. J says:

    Pretty much hoping that 90% of the movie is the gang standing around the conference table, arguing with each other in identical Whedon-speak. And then, “Oh, Loki,” blam-blam-blam. The End. Post-credits teaser for Ant Man.

    That is seriously what I want from an Avengers movie.

  84. torpid bunny says:

    Great music choice. I love that album. But I just don’t see enough ass whuppin to justify NIN. I see cars exploding in urban streets. We’ve been seeing this movie since 1978.

  85. Martin S says:

    NYCC starts this week, hence the trailer debut. It embodies every previous concern.

    The plot is paperthin, which is why they’ve been so general about the storyline. Loki gets the cosmic cube and fucks with reality. End of story.

    I don’t know if it’s the Skrulls or the alien race they created for the Avengers ‘toon from a few years ago. Depends on if the Skrulls are apart of the FF rights.

    Whedon was brought so his smart-ass quips would attract the audience laughter instead of a bunch of dudes in costumes standing around TV-grade sets.

    Feels a lot like the rollout for the first Iron Man. Underwhelming trailer keeps expectations in check. WOM gives it a “better than expected/pretty good” review, ala Thor and Cap. Audience shows. Everyone forgets it within two months.

    Too bad. This had the chance of being something special. I blame Feige. Man has no taste and little vision.

    …and Ruffalo looks like he’s going to change into Oliver Platt instead of The Hulk. Terrible. Just terrible.

    …as for the team name, Lee’s admitted they swiped it from the TV show because they needed to fill a book quota. The characters were originally thrown together because they were all lukewarm sellers, which is why they didn’t include Spidey. Just look at the composition.

  86. The Big Perm says:

    And look, they’re fighting Loki!

    Wow, the old Iron Man looks like shit.

  87. SamLowry says:

    Ant-Man, a “lukewarm seller”?!? Say it ain’t so!

    Really, though, an Ant-Man movie? If Angelina Jolie ain’t playing the Wasp, it should consider itself lucky if it drops only 60% in its second week.

  88. SamLowry says:

    Also a bit bummed to see that Banner #3 looks like a steelworker. Kinda throws the whole point of the 98-pound weakling who’s prone to nerd-rage right out the window.

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It shows how out of it I was in trying to be in it, acknowledging that I was out of it to myself, and then thinking, “Okay, how do I stop being out of it? Well, I get some legitimate illogical narrative ideas” — some novel, you know?

So I decided on three writers that I might be able to option their material and get some producer, or myself as producer, and then get some writer to do a screenplay on it, and maybe make a movie.

And so the three projects were “Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep,” “Naked Lunch” and a collection of Bukowski. Which, in 1975, forget it — I mean, that was nuts. Hollywood would not touch any of that, but I was looking for something commercial, and I thought that all of these things were coming.

There would be no Blade Runner if there was no Ray Bradbury. I couldn’t find Philip K. Dick. His agent didn’t even know where he was. And so I gave up.

I was walking down the street and I ran into Bradbury — he directed a play that I was going to do as an actor, so we know each other, but he yelled “hi” — and I’d forgot who he was.

So at my girlfriend Barbara Hershey’s urging — I was with her at that moment — she said, “Talk to him! That guy really wants to talk to you,” and I said “No, fuck him,” and keep walking.

But then I did, and then I realized who it was, and I thought, “Wait, he’s in that realm, maybe he knows Philip K. Dick.” I said, “You know a guy named—” “Yeah, sure — you want his phone number?”

My friend paid my rent for a year while I wrote, because it turned out we couldn’t get a writer. My friends kept on me about, well, if you can’t get a writer, then you write.”
~ Hampton Fancher

“That was the most disappointing thing to me in how this thing was played. Is that I’m on the phone with you now, after all that’s been said, and the fundamental distinction between what James is dealing with in these other cases is not actually brought to the fore. The fundamental difference is that James Franco didn’t seek to use his position to have sex with anyone. There’s not a case of that. He wasn’t using his position or status to try to solicit a sexual favor from anyone. If he had — if that were what the accusation involved — the show would not have gone on. We would have folded up shop and we would have not completed the show. Because then it would have been the same as Harvey Weinstein, or Les Moonves, or any of these cases that are fundamental to this new paradigm. Did you not notice that? Why did you not notice that? Is that not something notable to say, journalistically? Because nobody could find the voice to say it. I’m not just being rhetorical. Why is it that you and the other critics, none of you could find the voice to say, “You know, it’s not this, it’s that”? Because — let me go on and speak further to this. If you go back to the L.A. Times piece, that’s what it lacked. That’s what they were not able to deliver. The one example in the five that involved an issue of a sexual act was between James and a woman he was dating, who he was not working with. There was no professional dynamic in any capacity.

~ David Simon