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Christmas Estimates by Klady

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  1. Jerryishere says:

    Is paramount really happy with 26 for MI4?
    Last year:
    Fockers did 30
    True grit did 24
    Tron did 19 in its second weekend.

    Also on a weekend with Xmas eve in it.

    Was this IMAX sneak thing really a good idea? Head to head with SH2 would MI4 have done better?
    Or is there just limited interest in a part 4 to a 15?year old franchise?
    Given the over the top reviews this one got, shouldn’t it have done better?

  2. Joe Leydon says:

    I wouldn’t be surprised if the final total for We Bought a Zoo is adjusted upward.

  3. EthanG says:

    The last time Christmas fell on a Sunday, “King Kong” led the way with a disappointing $21 million in its second weekend, and you had films like “Fun With Dick and Jane,” “Rumor Has It,”The Ringer” and “Cheaper by the Dozen 2” seemingly crashing and burning against expectations, only to rebound spectacularly in the next 10 days.

    “Rumor Has It” opened with 3 million and finished with 42 million. “The Ringer” opened with 5 million and finished with 35 million. Five day opening of “Dick and Jane” at 22 million ended up with 110 million….”Dozen 2″ 14 million five day opening ended up with 82 million. And let’s not forget these were TERRIBLE films.

    So judging by the limited history this is actually an excellent result for MI4 and others…but bottom line is it’s too early to tell how it holds.

  4. Offhand, I’d say the MI4 number is pretty disappointing too. BUT, combined with the IMAX sneak, it should be at around $70-75 million by Monday, which is where the first one was after its five-day weekend back in 1996. Inflation aside, I think Paramount knew it was sacrificing some ‘wide’ opening weekend money for its IMAX sneak and was hopefully playing longball. Also of note, many IMAX theaters ended up having to split MI4 with Tintin over the weekend, which arguably could hurt it in the long run (if every critic says YOU MUST SEE IT IN IMAX, will audiences wait for DVD if they don’t have a decent IMAX option?). If the film has legs (and it really should…), then there is no harm in having the film do whatever it was going to do over five extra days. Opening weekend shouldn’t be everything, and a leggy and eventually profitable MI4 could go a long way towards showing just that even when it comes to mega-blockbusters. Also, it’s already topped $100 million overseas, so I can’t imagine the film doing less than $350-450 million worldwide unless it inexplicably collapses. Yes, I’m a little underwhelmed by the number, especially when compared to the previous M:I films, but if it does another $40-50m over the New Years holiday then it will be a moot point.

  5. EthanG says:

    I will say though, those are some downright depressing results for “Shame,” “My Week With Marilyn” and “Young Adult.”

    Also…Sony Classics sure did drop the ball with “A Dangerous Method.” If I was Cronenburg I would be PISSED.

  6. Jerryishere says:

    King kong ended it’s weekend with 108 mil
    It had another 110 left in tank

    True grit finished with 36
    And had another (awards boosted) 130 left

    Tron had 87
    And another 90 mil in the tank

    MI will have 60
    And probably between 90 and 130 left

    So a low of 150 and a high of 190.
    Not bad. But with IMAX $$ and inflation is it that much of an improvement over MI3s 135 5.5 years ago?
    International saves it
    But this franchise ain’t getting back to the MI2 200mil heights again. (what would that be today? 250? 275 domestic?)
    Not to mention 15 years ago MI 1 did 185 mil.

    Still impressive for cruise. Particularly overseas.
    But that profit participation probably makes this less of a win than something like, say, tron last year. (or true grit, but that’s apples and oranges in terms of intent)

  7. Eric says:

    The trailer for MI4 was weak. It didn’t look like anything we haven’t seen before. If it’s really as good as everyone is saying, it’ll make up some ground over the next week.

    Isn’t that the standard summer vs winter tradeoff? You get a bigger opening in summer but longer legs in winter. Paramount certainly counted on that going in.

    I think a dull trailer hurt Sherlock, too. Downey in drag? Ha ha? Yawn. Warner was taking the Batman Begins / Dark Knight model by making a solid first entry and saving the famous villain for the second, but they dropped the ball on the marketing if you ask me.

  8. martindale says:

    The difference between this year and last year is that Christmas Eve fell on a Friday last year, meaning that the weekend still had two great days (Dec. 25 and 26) to work with. Not so, this year. The weekend has only one great day–today.

  9. Jerryishere says:

    Disagree.
    Last year Friday was a great day.
    Saturday bad.
    Sunday great.
    Same math.
    This time of year, Friday and Saturday’s are interchangeable.

  10. EthanG says:

    Huh? Christmas Eve always sucks, and it sucked on last year when it was on Friday, but picked up on Saturday. BO Mojo’s Xmas Eve 2010 report:

    “Christmas Eve is always the low point of the end-of-year holidays, which is why all movies saw declines from Thursday.”

    http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3028&p=.htm

  11. movieman says:

    Is Jerry Jersey Chucky’s brother–or cousin?

  12. Krillian says:

    Watched Christy & Ignatiy give two thumbs down to War Horse, and the thing made me most sit at attention was when one pointed out the movie’s 2 hours and 26 minutes. Mawkish AND long? Yikes.

  13. jerryishere says:

    My point is that xmas eve on a sat vs a fri is a wash.
    The weekends can be compared with a similar handicap.

    You get one down day and two up days.

  14. jerryishere says:

    Pretty dead here tonight.
    Am I the only Jew in hollywood?

    Let’s talk muppets.
    It’ll finish at 85-90.
    Sucess or disappointment?

    Given ad spend, I’d say it’s iffy.
    Question is — was it gen x nostalgia or did a new gen discover?

    Merch sales will tell the tale.

  15. movieman says:

    Jerry- My guess is that “Muppets” did the majority of its biz from nostalgic adults.
    The fact that it won’t even cross the $100-million threshold leads me to believe there was minimal interest from kids–most of whom were probably dragged by their parents who really, really wanted them to love Kermit and Piggy the way they did at their age. (Hence the lack of repeat biz which generally creates legginess for this type of film, something “Muppets 2.0” never quite managed.)
    I will say there was more aisle-hopping by rugrats at the promotional screening I attended than at any “family” movie since “Percy Jackson and the Olympians.” Their parents (or “adult guardians”) seemed positively transfixed, however.

  16. matthew says:

    Wish War Horse had hit me harder. Hell, hit me at all. Beautiful film but seemed empty. Was applauded at the end, but it felt kind of forced.

    Seems like the kind of film made for people who like to sigh audibly when things go poorly for characters they’ve known for 15 minutes.

  17. martindale says:

    Dec. 23 (even if it falls on Friday) is not an “up” day. The days leading up to Christmas cannot compare to the days between Dec 25 and Jan. 1. People are too busy with last minute shopping and Christmas parties. Trust me, exhibitors and studios would definitely prefer a Dec 24-26 weekend over a Dec 23-25 weekend. Look back to 2005: The Top 10 grossed $36 million on Dec. 23 (Fri) but $55 million on Dec. 26 (Mon). The 26th is just a bigger movie-going day than the 23rd.

  18. Jerryishere says:

    Friday is always an up day compared to thursday.
    Unless it is Xmas eve.
    That was my Point
    And it is statistically correct.

  19. Joe Leydon says:

    Funnily enough, I saw many more people at last night’s midnight screening of The Darkest Hour than I expected.

  20. matthew says:

    What kind of theater was running midnight movies on Christmas Eve? Even the theaters that almost always run midnight movies on Thursdays here in SF didn’t bother running any last night.

  21. Joe Leydon says:

    Here in Houston. Saw The Darkest Hour — in 3D no less! — at midnight at the AMC Studio 30.

  22. Joshua says:

    Some theaters around here (Chicago) either had no shows starting after 8:00, or even no evening shows at all, on Christmas Eve. Losing a lot of Saturday night business is bound to reduce turnout.

  23. anghus says:

    MI4 will be swimming in gravy as long as the traditional holiday bix office snowball continues to roll.

    Muppets has to be considered a damp squib. With all the marketing, all the press they received, to not even get to 100 milion is kind of sad.

  24. EthanG says:

    “Friday is always an up day compared to thursday.
    Unless it is Xmas eve.”

    Or if it’s Independence Day…or Halloween…..or New Years ..these holidays are all traditionally softer than weekdays if they fall on a Friday.

  25. movieman says:

    I was surprised to hear there were midnight showings of “Darkest Hour” on Xmas Eve in Houston, Joe.
    I’ve never lived in a city–including NYC back in the day–where theaters had late shows on Xmas Eve.
    Things generally shut down after the 7:00 block of showtimes, which only makes sense since virtually nobody seems to go to the movies that day. Even matinees are traditionally pretty quiet on Xmas Eve.
    (Personally, I’ve had some very pleasant theatrical experiences on December 24th. It’s usually the last day until January that I can go to a movie in relative peace without having to fight crowds/rugrats/long lines.)

  26. torpid bunny says:

    MI4 was SWEET. I loved it. Not enough people are talking about this: This is a Brad Bird movie. Brad Bird knows secret agent movies back to front. It was super fun, very glad I saw it.

    Tom Cruise was great despite the fact we’ve reached the point where it’s hard to see him be Ethan Hunt without simultaneously imagining Ben Stiller doing it. Perfect hair the whole movie.

  27. movieman says:

    The substantial “ick factor” attached to Cruise these days was a big strike against the movie for me going in.
    But–and I credit BB and a very fine supporting cast (especially The Man Who Should Be King Jeremy Renner and Simon Pegg)–Cruise quickly became an irrelevancy for me once the fun kicked in.
    I’ll remember “M: I: GP” less as Cruise’s “comeback” vehicle (which it’s really not: as much as some nostalgists might like it to be) than BB’s live-action calling card/wake-up call to H’wood powers that be.

  28. JS Partisan says:

    Cruise doesn’t have an ick factor anymore and if he does, it’s from intolerant asshole MORE HOLIER THAN THOU types. Wow, he’s a scientologist. WGAS, WGAF.

    The Muppets get a damp squib? Really? No, it suffered from 2011 FALL FAMILY MOVIE ARMAGEDDON! Why Hollywood expects parents to see more than one movie during a Holiday season is beyond me, but that is what’s been happening all year. Parents pick one movie and the rest get rental status. The Muppets got what it got thanks to adults. Where it’s at with kids will be decided when the movie from rentals/BDs/DVDs comes in.

    Seriously, no one doing serious box office analysis for 2011 can under sell the pure and utter fucking pathetic job the studios did with placing their children films this year.

  29. cadavra says:

    MUPPETS won’t get to 100? ARTHUR CHRISTMAS may not get to 50. THAT’S fucking pathetic.

  30. movieman says:

    Cruise will always have the dread “ick factor,” JS (it’s now a permanent part of his public persona).
    And I hardly consider myself an “intolerant asshole” or a “holier than thou type” (ha), just somebody who’s stating facts.
    The Scientology thing is only part of Cruise’s image control, er, problem.
    And I was one of Cruise’s biggest cheerleaders back in the early ’80s when his star was rising. I still remember telling everyone that the hardass with the buzz cut from “Taps” was going to become a huge star, and that he handily stole the film from its ostensible star, Tim Hutton.
    For me–and I’m pretty sure most moviegoers who bought a ticket (Imax-priced or otherwise) for “M: I–GP”–Cruise
    had nada to do with my butt being in that multiplex seat.

  31. Hallick says:

    “Cruise doesn’t have an ick factor anymore and if he does, it’s from intolerant asshole MORE HOLIER THAN THOU types. Wow, he’s a scientologist. WGAS, WGAF.”

    Everybody’s personal ick factor with Tom Cruise varies, but come on now, besides whatever Scientology does to his image, he’s had a certain public ick factor since he hooked up with Katie Holmes. It has subsided a lot, but it’s still lurking out there like a cold sore virus waiting to flare up all over again.

  32. LexG says:

    Cruise isn’t just my favorite actor of all time, he is my favorite HUMAN BEING of all time. I think of TOM CRUISE all day long, every day… When I was a teenager and HAD hair, I looked a little like CRUISE, and patterned my coif after his, every movie. The Color of Money coif, the Cocktail twist-top that turned into a mullet in the reshot scenes, the Rain Man blow-dry, the Few Good Men/Losin’ It earnest-dork cut, the Firm mini-perm, Days of Thunder curling-ironed mullet… all of them, up through MI2 and Magnolia when I went 12 months sans haircut so I could look like my hero.

    Then I started drinking and gained 60 pounds and my face got all ruddy and my hair started going the way of Robert Loggia, but Cruise is still a STERLING EXAMPLE of WHAT ONE MAN CAN BE. Everybody LOVES CRUISE, and I have considered several hundred times joining the CoS just so I could follow his path and teachings even more closely.

    And we all know that I agree with him 100000% about the nightmare practice pseudo-science bullshit of psychiatry– A few years ago I had a rage-outburst incident and was ordered by lawyers to see a shrink for Anger Managment. I successfully invoked The Cruise Defense about how any kind of therapy is AGAINST my deep-rooted moral convictions about therapists being quacks and fake scientists and it being an evil practice. Cruise would’ve been so proud.

  33. Albatross says:

    If you judge the holiday weekend box office returns as a percentage of the film’s budget, this would be the true order of profitability:

    1) Mission Impossible – 31.8%
    2) We Bought A Zoo – 31.2%
    3) Sherlock Holmes – 25.4%
    4) Alvin and the Chipmunks – 25%
    5) War Horse – 21.4%
    6) Girl With the Dragon Tattoo – 19.4%
    7) Darkest Hour – 18.3%
    8) Tin Tin – 10.7%

    So Mission Impossible and We Bought A Zoo are really the clear winners in this match-up. *War Horse would be much higher if it opened Friday.

  34. LexG says:

    Am I gonna have to sit by a bunch of nattering old fucks if I go see War Horse this afternoon?

    I figure that’s a movie that can go one of two ways– see it in the burbs with old fucks, OR go to Hollywood and see it with TISKING gayish hipsters all groaning and hissing at the corn.

    Either way, where in LA do NORMAL PEOPLE go to movies? In 15 years I’ve yet to find a proper place free of a) douchebags b) tisking gay men c) griping Yentas and hens d) MexipinomeniantinoKorean kids texting/talking.

    Where does your workaday Conan O’Brien-looking WHITE AMERICAN MALE go to movies in Los Angeles if he’s not a thrift-store beardo?

  35. Albatross says:

    LexG: The Landmark at the Westside Pavillion isn’t bad (unless you go to the early bird first showing with the old people). In the old days, the Avco in Westwood on Wilshire used to be the best.

  36. LexG says:

    Albatross, yeah, I like that theater, but my car overheats on the 405 (I live in the Valley), and truth told, that LOVE SEAT/SOFA arrangement is WEIRD. Since I’m usually rolling solo, when I’ve gone there I’ve been a nervous wreck I’ll have to sit on a LOVE SEAT with some stranger, which is the height of weirdness, especially with no armrest as a psychological divider, and people’s natural inclination toward stretching their legs/slumping in a SOFA. They need to AXE those stupid theaters with the LOVE SEATS, because as I’ve said before, they never show ANYTHING that’s like a cuddly date movie for couples in that room– it’s usually Take Shelter or Texas Killing Fields, where the whole audience is LONE DUDES, and they’re all awkwardly sitting in a Jennifer’s Convertibles showroom with giant beach balls. WTF.

  37. film fanatic says:

    Arclight Sherman Oaks might be a good bet for you.

  38. Albatross says:

    LexG – Only one theater at the Landmark has that strange lounge seating. The other 10 or so are regular theater stadium seating. Although you might get lucky on the love seat and be sandwiched between Tom Cruise and Mila Kunis.

  39. sanj says:

    LexG – everytime i go – its always the seats in front of me or behind me that drive me nuts . sometimes its the people sometimes its the food bag crunch over and over.

    Cruise should have had 10 dp/30 by now ..DP and Cruise would have been bff’s by now .
    weird cause he’s always goes on tv shows and does interviews. so the guy who knows about movies DP – can’t get a actor who’s been doing them for 20 + years.
    something is wrong here. i want the scooby doo gang to figure this out.

    a new byob is needed – somebody make an app so DP
    can do those posts faster.

  40. EthanG says:

    Just like in 2005, we’re seeing a revised 3-day and estimated 4-day explosion. “We Bought A Zoo” now at 16 million for the 4-day….”Tintin” at 24 million overall…”Dragon Tattoo” at 28 million overall…”War Horse” at 15 million in 2 days…Holmes surging to 90 million overall (still not enough for a third installment pending international) and MI4 with the biggest Monday of 2011 up to 79 mil.

    The only real downer from the last two weeks of openings seems to be “Alvin 3” which is off 34 million from the original (which opened the same weekend). Still, it’s going to be profitable….just not enough for for “Alvin and the Chipmunks Go Fourth.”

  41. chris says:

    Another reason the sky-is-falling talk about “Dragon Tattoo” is premature/wrong: It’s by far the longest movie of the season, which is probably costing it a screening per day at most theaters.

  42. Lex – Try the new North Hollywood Laemmle out… I hear it hasn’t been that crowded (though, admittedly, WAR HORSE is the only “hit” they have played thus far). And I doubt the Burbank 6-plex is selling out.

  43. movieman says:

    Chris- I’d like to put all of the blame for “DT”‘s less than electrifying opening week grosses on the jumbo run time, too.
    But “War Horse”–which is nearly as long–raced out of the gate like a thoroughbred, and less-screenings-than-usual seemed to have zero impact on its b.o.
    I still think “DT” will find its sea legs as grown ups return to the multiplex en masse post-Xmas chores–that is, IF they return to the movies en masse.
    But I’m as bummed as you are that it seems to be underperforming.
    At this rate, it’ll be lucky to match “Social Network”‘s domestic cume.
    Can’t say that I saw that (or the meh performance of “Alvin 3”) coming.
    And Paramount should have definitely pushed “Tintin”‘s U.S. debut back–maybe even as far back as spring. There really was no good reason to open this month. “Happy Feet 2” numbers seem like the most optimistic forecast at this point.

  44. leahnz says:

    or maybe lex could try the ‘whites only’ theatre in 1950’s tennessee — they didn’t let queers in either, and women kept their traps shut (hopefully the grand dragon takes off his pointy hat for the screening)

    (nice mention of cruise in ‘taps’)

  45. chris says:

    Oh, I definitely don’t think it’s the reason for all the blame (although, if I recall correctly, the magic running time for theater owners is something like 147 minutes — under that, which “War Horse” is, and they’re OK with the number of screenings they can get it. Over it, which “Tattoo” is, and they start to get annoyed.) I’m sure the brutal violence is keeping some people away and the rating, etc. But, based on no evidence whatsoever, I bet it has a great multiple.

  46. Jerryishere says:

    Well folks, it’s been fun but now I have to leave for my vacation and then it’s back to work so I’ll leave you in the capable hands of yourselves. My time here may have been brief, but I enjoyed it.

    Happy New Year.

  47. movieman says:

    Thnx, Leah: thought you’d enjoy that.

  48. leahnz says:

    it’s beautiful man! (my boy loves ‘taps’, unfortunately on VHS)

  49. movieman says:

    And we shouldn’t forget Sean Penn either, Leah….although it wasn’t until “Ridgemont High” the following summer that we began to have an inkling of the enviable range that would serve him so brilliantly throughout his career.

  50. hcat says:

    Someone above said that Ghost Protocal would unlikely to be as profitable as the third installment due to back end points but I can’t believe that would be the case since all the “Paramount dumps Cruise” stuff from a few years ago was all about Cruise’s beyond reason backend deal. I am sure Paramount wouldn’t have given this the greenlight without a massive revision on how these first dollar grosses were distributed.

  51. sanj says:

    so when people pay 12 bucks for MI4 ..does Cruise go around to every theatre and pick up his 6-8 bucks ?
    and the rest of the cast is ..hey where’s our money ?
    and Cruise is like ..here’s 50 cents for the 4 of you.
    enjoy.

  52. David Poland says:

    hcat – whoever said it has it backwards.

  53. waterbucket says:

    MI: Ghost Protocol, aka Closeted Action Star Passing the Baton to Another Closeted Action Star. Why didn’t they invite Hugh Jackman to costar as well?

  54. JS Partisan says:

    Wow that’s not cool there WB. Not cool at all.

  55. David Poland says:

    Waterbucket’s comments are disavowed by the management.

    This message will self-destruct in 5 seconds.

  56. Joe Leydon says:

    Don’t get too angry at Mr. Bucket. Ever since the Brokeback Mountain Oscar snub, he’s been… moody.

  57. Mariamu says:

    Waterbucket-try not to spoil the mood here. I may have to see MI4GP one more time just to admire Jeremy Renner’s backside again. And Paula Patton’s tits.

  58. LexG says:

    Not to prolong this, but I will–

    But would others not agree that some gay folks might have a SLIGHT tendency to suspect or accuse literally everybody of being gay or closeted? (Taking it wider, people who trade in gossip ALWAYS accuse every movie set of being this nonstop omnisexual drug orgy, with this half-salacious, half-condemning tone of someone who feels either REALLY left out of the party, or someone insecure about themselves who wants to make sure they paint everyone with a brush of behaving a certain way…)

    Obviously this is one of those “anecdotal bordering on stereotype” things, but we all kinda know the “type” of internet gossip guy, campy overweight woman with clunky glasses with exclusively gay male friends, or just the workaday gay dude who likes trashy tv and celeb gossip– and almost to a person, they’re full of theories and suspicions and pinging gaydar instincts about who’s a closet case and how they heard from so-and-so that someone’s gay… I know it’s Hollywood and showbiz and actors with theater backgrounds and such, but why is it so difficult to imagine that actors might just be– gasp– heterosexual? In today’s plugged in world, if A-list stars were getting hummers from other dudes, that would be impossible to hide.

    Insert the name of ANY major male star on google, then add a space bar– without fail, “gay” comes up as one of the top options. Is it really THAT outside of the realm of possibility that a male actor might like vagina?

    Also, more pressingly: Since it’s usually (almost exclusively) gay guys, unattractive women, and sleazy gossip columnists making these accusations/churning this gossip wheel– what’s with the unpleasant “gotcha” subtle homophobic thrill of outing somebody? Isn’t that the providence of total meatheads and mooks? Why are these guys SO GIDDY (see, Hilton, Perez) about painting a star with the scarlet G in the most aggressive manner possible? There’s a real undercurrent of anger to it. Who the fuck would CARE ANYWAY if A List Star Whoever was gay… I don’t think anyone gives a shit anymore– somehow, oddly, it’s only gay guys who like outing people like it’s a SIN FOR WHICH THEY MUST PAY WITH SHAME.

  59. chris says:

    Jackman does have a tenuous connection to the “M:I” franchise. Jackman’s big break — Wolverine — only happened because “M:I 2” went so far over schedule that Dougray Scott had to drop out of “X-Men” and cede his part to Jackman.
    Um, “bordering” on stereotypical, Lex? No. Way over the border in so many ways. But, obviously, people do care — which is why there are no out A-list stars. And the anger comes from the belief that gay people who go to great lengths to hide their gayness are perpetuating the idea that there’s something wrong with being gay.

  60. Don R. Lewis says:

    Accusing someone in Hollywood of being gay is the equivalent of those conspiracy dudes like Jesse Ventura or Alex Jones making shit up to get attention. You can’t *really* prove it or *really* be disprove it so it just gains traction. Unless someone admits it, gets caught blowing a dude or caught with a penis in his rear, it’s pretty much speculation that gets attention easily.

  61. Krillian says:

    Google gay test:

    gay
    Will Smith
    Bradley Cooper
    Taylor Lautner
    John Travolta

    not gay
    Kurt Russell
    Ryan Gosling
    Robert Pattinson
    Tom Cruise

  62. LexG says:

    Back ON TOPIC:

    WAR HORSE POWER = Best movie of 2011, there will only be BOWING, instantly one of Spielberg’s 6 all-time masterpieces, and also BUCKENS POWER over that CHARMING French girl, who is going to be a SUPERSTAR someday soon. CUTE! CUTE!

  63. LexG says:

    Google LexG test = enter “LexG” and a space: “lexg kristen stewart” is a top option.

    YEP YEP YEP YEP YEP My proudest achievement in 39 years, my bullshit internet persona is somehow linked to my favorite actress. YAY!

  64. leahnz says:

    movieman: no way forgetting sean penn man. (but the pennster is currently on my ‘lighten-the-fuck-up’ – or alternatively the ‘for-fucks-sake-do-something-DIFFERENT’ – list w/fassy and leo dicap, and maybe somebody else i can’t think of at the mo…preferably all together!)

  65. Foamy Squirrel says:

    Perez Hilton pisses me off with his eagerness to “out” LGBT people. He claims to do it under the banner of “being honest”, but any decision regarding sexuality (even the decision to publicly comment on it) is a personal one – demanding “You are X and should do Y” is offensive no matter which side it’s coming from.

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~ Hampton Fancher

“That was the most disappointing thing to me in how this thing was played. Is that I’m on the phone with you now, after all that’s been said, and the fundamental distinction between what James is dealing with in these other cases is not actually brought to the fore. The fundamental difference is that James Franco didn’t seek to use his position to have sex with anyone. There’s not a case of that. He wasn’t using his position or status to try to solicit a sexual favor from anyone. If he had — if that were what the accusation involved — the show would not have gone on. We would have folded up shop and we would have not completed the show. Because then it would have been the same as Harvey Weinstein, or Les Moonves, or any of these cases that are fundamental to this new paradigm. Did you not notice that? Why did you not notice that? Is that not something notable to say, journalistically? Because nobody could find the voice to say it. I’m not just being rhetorical. Why is it that you and the other critics, none of you could find the voice to say, “You know, it’s not this, it’s that”? Because — let me go on and speak further to this. If you go back to the L.A. Times piece, that’s what it lacked. That’s what they were not able to deliver. The one example in the five that involved an issue of a sexual act was between James and a woman he was dating, who he was not working with. There was no professional dynamic in any capacity.

~ David Simon