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It shows how out of it I was in trying to be in it, acknowledging that I was out of it to myself, and then thinking, “Okay, how do I stop being out of it? Well, I get some legitimate illogical narrative ideas” — some novel, you know?
So I decided on three writers that I might be able to option their material and get some producer, or myself as producer, and then get some writer to do a screenplay on it, and maybe make a movie.
And so the three projects were “Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep,” “Naked Lunch” and a collection of Bukowski. Which, in 1975, forget it — I mean, that was nuts. Hollywood would not touch any of that, but I was looking for something commercial, and I thought that all of these things were coming.
There would be no Blade Runner if there was no Ray Bradbury. I couldn’t find Philip K. Dick. His agent didn’t even know where he was. And so I gave up.
I was walking down the street and I ran into Bradbury — he directed a play that I was going to do as an actor, so we know each other, but he yelled “hi” — and I’d forgot who he was.
So at my girlfriend Barbara Hershey’s urging — I was with her at that moment — she said, “Talk to him! That guy really wants to talk to you,” and I said “No, fuck him,” and keep walking.
But then I did, and then I realized who it was, and I thought, “Wait, he’s in that realm, maybe he knows Philip K. Dick.” I said, “You know a guy named—” “Yeah, sure — you want his phone number?”
My friend paid my rent for a year while I wrote, because it turned out we couldn’t get a writer. My friends kept on me about, well, if you can’t get a writer, then you write.”
~ Hampton Fancher
“That was the most disappointing thing to me in how this thing was played. Is that I’m on the phone with you now, after all that’s been said, and the fundamental distinction between what James is dealing with in these other cases is not actually brought to the fore. The fundamental difference is that James Franco didn’t seek to use his position to have sex with anyone. There’s not a case of that. He wasn’t using his position or status to try to solicit a sexual favor from anyone. If he had — if that were what the accusation involved — the show would not have gone on. We would have folded up shop and we would have not completed the show. Because then it would have been the same as Harvey Weinstein, or Les Moonves, or any of these cases that are fundamental to this new paradigm. Did you not notice that? Why did you not notice that? Is that not something notable to say, journalistically? Because nobody could find the voice to say it. I’m not just being rhetorical. Why is it that you and the other critics, none of you could find the voice to say, “You know, it’s not this, it’s that”? Because — let me go on and speak further to this. If you go back to the L.A. Times piece, that’s what it lacked. That’s what they were not able to deliver. The one example in the five that involved an issue of a sexual act was between James and a woman he was dating, who he was not working with. There was no professional dynamic in any capacity.
~ David Simon
there doesn’t seem to be a lot of 100 million movies in feburary 2012 theatres .. safehouse might hit 100 million
– it has Denzel Washington ..
looks like most films in feb 2012 will make under 50 million per movie – i’m predicting this 2 weeks before
anything opens but some of you money movie guys are the experts …
super security for elite squad the enemy within movie …
— this movie is selected for foreign oscar ..
“The production unit rented an apartment, monitored by cameras, where editing took place. Four people had access to the place, only through passwords, and no means of accessing the Internet. Another strategy used was the marking of each copy sent to the theaters; that way if any of the copies was illegally recorded, they would know where it came from”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elite_Squad:_The_Enemy_Within#Strategy_against_leaks
Well, since Ghost Rider and Journey to the Center of the Earth made more than $100 million, it’s possible their sequels could as well.
As consistent as Denzel is, especially in that cool thriller wheelhouse he (over)works, he’s only bee in a handful of $100 million-plus movies. He is crazy consistent, though: put him in a thriller, and it’ll probably open to $20-30 million, then cruise to the $60-80 million range. He’s like Sandler and comedies that gross 120 million.
As much as I want to see Ghost Rider 2 due to the Crank connections, and hope that it’ll have a crazier Cage, I can’t imagine the combination of not-so-good-will towards the first Ghost Rider movie; the five-year gap between the two; the low-rent exploitation vibe [that I love]; and Cage’s too-frequent forays into said vibe [some of which are awesome] will get this movie to 100. It’ll probably open decent but I’d be surprised if it got past 60 or 70.
Safe House should do fine and Ghost Rider should do OK… I expect The Vow will be pretty strong moneywise, too, and This Means War… but no, I’m not seeing any of those getting past 100. Maybe The Lorax, in early March?
the first ghost rider got horrible reviews – journey 2 is family film – maybe they hit 75 million..
Jennifer Aniston could surprise and hit 100 million with wandelust … it also has Paul Rudd who i’m not a fan of ..
the films for feb 2012 have to work super hard to get
people into theatre and to get super important film critics to notice – none seem to have best picture oscar written on them…
I’d also be surprised if Ghost Rider II hits $100 million. Just saying it’s a reasonable possibility considering the first one made $115 million. The Vow and This Means War, based on premise/cast/release date, seem like they’ll do solid business, but probably not $100 million. Unstoppable’s $80 million seems like a safe target for Safe House.
The first Journey is also a family film, and bad reviews do not stop movies from making $100 million and more. Wanderlust will not make anywhere near $100 million. No chance.
so if no movie makes 100 million – will movie blogs write about the slump again….DP written this before a lot of times … but this is entire month with nothing hitting 100 million .
any movie critics have seen any movies out in feb 2012 ?
you guys always get to see movies early ..
I would not be surprised at all if slump stories are written if no movie hits $100 million in February. I don’t think any February wide releases have screened for critics yet.
This means War looks like a $100 million to me, I thought the trailer hit all the right popular beats. Looks cheesy enough for the mall audience, Witherspoon brings in the older ladies, Pine brings in the older men who enjoyed Trek and unstoppable, and Hardy brings in everyone who knows who he is and is curious about how he will do a studio comedy.
Looks like it should easily do half of what Mr. and Mrs. Smith did, which seems to be the vibe its going for.
Wanderlust will do the basic Universal comedy 50-60 million range (Baby Mamma, Role Models, Marshall, Greek etc….)
This Means War appears to have wide appeal and should do solid numbers, but are Pine and Hardy big draws at this point? Plus it’s been a while since Witherspoon had a rom com hit as the lead.
this means war – just checked trailer – above average chick flick – if they keep the action going throughout the whole film …
this means war and wanderlust are week apart – this is good
cause Aniston / Witherspoon will get into the tabloid press
as enemies or something – us weekly / access hollywood ..
plus they could throw the vow into there too ..
where are those small great indie film that will surprise
the big name critics ?
Haven’t seen the preview yet, but my feel is This Means War is a box-office endictment on Reese. Can she still bring them in like she did in her Sweet Home Alabama days, or was How Do You Know a sign of how the rest of her career will go?
Lorax will pass $100 million.
Safe House will end around $60.
I think The Vow will do really well. One for the Money will bomb.
ah yeah the Higel factor – she’s back doing the same
chick flick …McAdams is also back with the chick flick…
will any of the chick flicks end up doing a dp/30 ..
the actresses haven’t done any .. now ithey have a chance ..
i know a lot of critics liked bridesmaids but it was 30 minutes too long ..
lorax has great animation but couldn’t this be a 1 hour tv movie ?
This Means War looks like it will make three bucks. While the Raven looks like it could be a sleeper hit. Seriously, that trailer, is tremendous. Also, don’t under sell Safe House. That flick screams 60-80m easy but could get close to 100 with wom and the like.
Everybody– EEEEEEEEEVERYBODY– loves REESE.
Do you know how hard it is to remain a top-tier LOOK AT HER *and* a box-office draw for 15 years? Reese is the real America’s Sweetheart, not Julia. It will be HUUUUUGE.
It’ll at least do whatever DATE NIGHT did, since it’s the same movie, same studio, same marketing, same action/romance, same release date, same visual style.
Also, I’ve made this point 8 zillion times, but much as I or you or anyone geeky likes that Neveldine/Taylor, Drive Angry, Machete, Grindhouse, Shark Night aesthetic, it ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS bombs. Mass audiences don’t get it, they think it’s cheesy, they ask why they’d pay money to see something intentionally low-rent. It’s too ironic to them and they take it as insulting. It flops LITERALLY EVERY TIME. Those trailers with the fire-pissing Cage have drawn crickets every time, going back nearly a year now. Nobody remembers Ghost Rider 1, and if they do, they don’t remember it looking like a big fuck-you to generic audiences.
That won’t even do 20 mil.
Yeah, This Means War looks like a gigantic fuck you to audiences. While Ghost Rider 2 looks like a fun action movie with a bad ass super hero in it. People go see Cage in damn near anything. They will go see him in this and let’s be honest: the current teenagers have shit taste in movies. Let’s throw all the expectations out the window and realize that the DEVIL INSIDE made 30m this past weekend. The winds of change are here and it could mean shitty looking films become more profitable than they use to be.
Everybody loves Witherspoon.
Cage has been flopping like crazy lately, ESPECIALLY in that smirking in-joke wild-man mode that the MAINSTREAM does not get. They just think they are bad movies. I love it, love Drive Angry, Bad LT, even Season of the Witch and Wicker Man and Sorcerer’s Apprentice.
BUT THE AUDIENCE DOES NOT LIKE IT. I am proven right by this a hundred times over.
Witherspoon, DATE NIGHT, big romantic comedy = HIT. Although NOBODY NOBODY NOBODY knows who Tom Hardy is yet.
Lex is dead-on about most general audiences being totally perplexed by intentional camp or films that borrow a b-film aesthetic. I remember telling someone I was excited about GRINDHOUSE before it came out, and they told me they couldn’t believe I would want to see something so cheesy and corny. They then said they were looking forward to the WWE movie THE CONDEMNED.
Plus has everybody seen The Spoon’s glistening rack in her little black dress on the This Means War poster?
LOOK AT HER.
IO: I have seen THE RAVEN trailer about 5 different times in various L.A. theatres and it has never failed to garner dismissive laughter from the audience, particularly when Cusack gets all incongruously badass and says “I’LL TAKE YOU TO HELLLLLLL!!!!” Granted, that could just be an L.A. snarky thing, but think your radar is WAYYYY off on this one.
“War” looks OK in a Junior League “Mr. & Mrs. Smith” sort of way.
It should do…moderately–infinitely better than Reese’s Jim Brooks catastrophe or “Warrior,” but probably not up to “Unstoppable” numbers.
But can someone explain to me how McG somehow managed to make two great-looking men like Hardy and Pine look downright unattractive?
On the basis of the (ubiquitous) trailer, you’d swear the editing team used only their absolute worst (i.e., homeliest) takes.
“The Vow” will do “Dear John” level business; “Safe House” will do typical Denzel ($70-$90-million) biz.
“Lorax” appears to be a March slam-dunk, but does anyone have a guesstimate for Disney’s February ‘toon? For some reason, I’m not expecting a whole lot.
I’m probably not the authority here, but wouldn’t any chick prefer PINE over HARDY? Pine has better hair, he has that smirking-asshole laid-back Pitt thing going, plus he makes Tony Scott movies and Star Trek and seems like a pretty cool dude. I always find the cipher-type leading man guys to be infinitely preferable to some dork who’s always gotta be doing some bits of business.
Hardy is like a roid-rage Simon Rex, and never looks the same twice. Plus he kinda sneers. Again, I’m pretty bad at figuring out what chicks or gay guys prefer, but I would think it wouldn’t even be CLOSE: The female equivalent would be that Chris Pine is Jessica Alba, and Tom Hardy is like… I don’t know, some hard-drinking British weightlifter chick.
I did in fact notice Reese looking hot as hell in those posters.
THIS MEANS WAR has a Milf-y vibe going on with it too. I think of Reese as like ten years older than those two dudes. She must be like five years older, no? Kinda hot.
She’s four years older than Pine and a year older than Hardy. She probably seems older because she’s been around forever and they’re relative newcomers.
FF, it probably is the LA snarky thing because you know, you’re too cool for everything, but that movie could be a little sleeper hit. What we should be debating, shit chick flick aside, is which makes more: John Carter or the Hunger Games?
Lex, seriously, This Means War, looks as atrociously bad as Ghost Rider fire pissing. If it does what Date Night does, that’s a win, but it still looks so fucking bad. It’s also wasting Tom Hardy, which should be seen as an international crime.
“But can someone explain to me how McG somehow managed to make two great-looking men like Hardy and Pine look downright unattractive?”
good god you’re right, they both look like they have facial reconstruction surgery scars, having just dried out from a 7-day jagermeister bender, yikes – plus pine’s exaggerated triangular brown caterpillar eyebrows look freakishly bizarre. mcg should be shot (and reese doesn’t look noticeably older than either of the men)
ONE FOR THE MONEY–a dumb-dumb comedy based on a series of serious detective novels–instantly loses all of the book fans, and Heigl takes out everyone else. Why are people still putting her in movies? How much more money do they have to lose before they finally realize she’s box office poison?
I get what you’re saying Lex, but despite being a Neveldine/Taylor flick, Ghost Rider II doesn’t look all that different to me than the first one. I’ve got to think that to casual moviegoers, it’s just another Nicolas Cage action flick. They’ve got no clue who Neveldine & Taylor are. If the first one can make $45 million/$115 million, seems like part II should be able to do decent numbers.
I hope The Raven is good. I’d love to see a cool period thriller featuring Edgar Allen Poe.
This Means War looks like it could be fun, but Witherspoon’s draw seems to have dissipated at least a little. Sweet Home Alabama’s $35 million/$127 million is almost 10 years ago.
Heigl RULES. TOTAL charisma.
This whole movie business game is about surprises, right? But am I the only one who thinks “John Carter” will be the live action “Mars Needs Moms” ( worst case scenario), or another “Prince of Persia” (best case scenario)?
If the “Hunger Games” books are as popular as everybody claims, I see no reason why #1 won’t open to similar biz as the first “Twlight” movie.
Thanks for backing me up on that, Leah.
Maybe Pine and Hardy were both just atrociously lit/coiffed/etc. But there’s not a single shot in the trailer where either hunk looks even semi-attractive. Which even an honest straight dude would admit they are.
And yes, it’s probably because Reese has been around for 20+ years that we’ve begun thinking of her as a contemporary of Meryl Streep and Anjelica Huston. I was actually kind of shocked to discover how close she is to her male co-stars age-wise.
This Means War is a perfect date night crowd compromise, light romance/light action-comedy. Can you imagine the look on your dates face when you suggest Ghost Rider 2?
As for Reese, War is a much easier sell to the audience than a genericly titled Brooksfilm that had an awful ad campaign and dropped during the busiest few weeks of the year.
And wasn’t four christmas’s just two years ago? Didn’t that cross a hundred despite wretched reviews? War looks much closer in tone to the hit than to the miss.
And I agree with Lex on Heigl, all charisma not a lot of talent, terrible taste in projects, but I just can’t take my eyes off her.
Reese can crank out good roles every few years – i liked legally blond but haven’t seen walk the line ..
+ she worked with Sandler in little nicky
she avoided doing a dp/30 for a long time ..
other actresses that have been acting for 20 years …Christina Ricci and Heather Graham …
no dp/30 either. i see a conspiracy here . have
they been all busy for the last 10 years and not
take 30 minutes for a interview.
on the bonus side – they seem to stay out of the tabloids .
2 minutes …
Angelina Jolie look alike is stunning.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xT432U8BjAk
Lion King 3D did more than $90m. No one thinks that Star Wars 3D has a shot at $100m?
But Ghost Rider was released during February right?
I agree that This Means War will be more successful than How Do You Know. But Four Christmases had help from Vince Vaughn.
Ghost Rider was in March, Paul. That’s when I remember seeing it anyway, but here’s hoping The Secret World of Arriety wins that weekend. Seriously.
That aside, BD, I would put that sort of money on Beauty and the Beast banking that much. I love SW but seeing TPM in the theatre again doesn’t seem that exciting, but we have to remember how big The Clone Wars is right now. If those people take their kids, who love the Clone Wars, to see TPM. It should do at least 60 million.
Ghost Rider was released on February 16 in ’07.
I wonder how the Star Wars rerelease will do. I’m sure all of the older geeks will say, what the hell, no one cares about this Episode One bullshit, but there are a whole lot of kids who know Star Wars from cartoons, toys, and DVDs that have probably never seen it theatrically, so I can see that making some cash. Not sure if it’ll be Lion King cash (that was out of theaters for longer; it’s been 13 years since Ep1, sure, but only 9 since Ep3, and Disney takes stuff out of circulation more often). But should be good for $40-50 million, maybe more.
I do think it’s weird to do one a year, though; it’s weird to think that by the time they’re done re-releasing them, I’ll be 37.
Lex, you’re right about the grindhouse/B-movie/over-the-top aesthetic. It depresses me, the degree to which people would rather watch a legit bad movie than a self-aware, over-the-top movie with the same elements. That said, Ghost Rider is a brand, Cage is a brand (albeit diminished), and it looks a little more action-horror than straight up B-movie homage. Knowing did $80 million not too long ago.
Sidenote: Machete actually did fine for that type of movie; I’m pretty sure it made more than Grindhouse on a much smaller budget (and lower expectations).
I wonder about Wrath of the Titans in the same vein as Ghost Rider 2. OK, people showed up for the first one as kind of an off-season 300/Gladiator/etc. clone. Now since then they’ve shown up for THOR and IMMORTALS and is anyone really clamoring for another TITANS? I mean, I’ll see it because I see most stuff and I like monsters and special effects and junk, but it’s hard to picture a SECOND Titans movie doing another 160 just two years after the first one.
My wife who is usually not a huge romcom sucker is totally down for This Means War, if that means anything.
Oh, and Hunger Games will be big. Maybe not Twilight huge… but maybe striking distance of first-Twilight money (150 or so?). It has a shot at biggest pre-summer gross of the year.
I vaguely feel like Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close will do well when it comes out for real next weekend. Am I off base? I didn’t like the movie much at all but I feel like it might do pretty well, at least compared to something that seems more commercial like Larry Crowne.
I’m not even the hugest of all STAR WARS geeks, but I always get a little psyched when that TPM 3D trailer comes on… I’m actually a little nostalgic for that one, just because it came out during a great movie year (1999) when I was still somewhat young and enthusiastic and had hair and remember as being good times; TPM always has occupied a weird territory, in that yeah everybody hates it now, but that summer of excitement over it was pretty frenzied, and even once it dropped, guys like us were still actively going to see it 2, 3 times to reconcile it with the original trilogy.
And for whatever reason, I find that one a little more visually interesting than the video-shot Eps II and III. It still has some of the Lucas spare desert/Western/Lean look of Star Wars ’77 or even THX and American Graffiti… It’s a pretty handsome movie, all green and yellow and sun-drenched and bright, whereas Clones and Sith took on this garish purple-nausea overkill look. I can easily see myself taking in a morning matinee of it at the AMC before work on a weekday just to relive what may actually have been the last year of my adult life when I had any sense of hope left.
Plus it has McNulty and Keira Knightley.
I am only interested in “Haywire”, looks like I won’t be going to the movies during february… maybe only to see “The Secret World of Arrietty” 🙂
watched the hunger games trailer – bunch of teens in a forest getting hunted down ..
this will make a 100 million dollars ? is the story that good or teens are stupid and just like the name katniss ?
new episode of 30 rock this week – a show i find 10 times funnier than the office – and of course Tina Fey is too
famous for a dp/30 – Alec Baldwin will just scream at DP for the entire interview and Tracy Morgan would just confuse DP for the entire interview.
lots of people have read hunger games. i listened to two housewives and two college students discuss it endlessly one night. I’d never even heard of the thing but its apparently all the rage with the pop literary types.
Nic Cage + Neveldine/Taylor = The Greatest movie of the year
It will be so blissfully bad. I can’t wait.
Maybe not as wonderful as Michael C Hall dancing to ‘Under my Skin’ bad, but awesomely awful
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulcPQya3z7o
Look at me. I’m Sanj
HC, I hope you aren’t goofing on Arriety, because that looks awesome! If you are goofing on it. You heartless bastard :P!
so will anybody from the hunger games do a dp/30 ..or does DP know that the movie will make 100 million automatically and doesn’t need the extra promotion …
you know like the twilight and harry potter movies .
maybe the author of hunger games isn’t as popular as the
lady who made harry potter…and she could use a dp/30
“Why are people still putting (Katherine Heigl) in movies? How much more money do they have to lose before they finally realize she’s box office poison?”
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How is she anywhere near box office poison?
Life as We Know It $53,374,681
Killers $47,059,963
The Ugly Truth $88,915,214
27 Dresses $76,808,654
Knocked Up $148,768,917
Killers is probably considered a disappointment, yeah, but hardly a massive bomb.
She’s got a better batting average than just about any other romcom actress like Aniston, Hathaway, Hudson, McAdams, SJ Parker, Barrymore, etc. Hell, I’d say she’s one of the more bankable actresses out there, at least as far as romantic comedies go.
Also she is in New Year’s Eve which is a masterpiece.
RAISE YOUR GLASS.
super smart science dudes don’t want the world to end..
Doomsday Clock moves one minute closer to midnight
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-16500567
Lucy Walker made countdown to zero – the best real drama
you probably haven’t seen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mn-1LuLhrw
something to think about when your watching the next gi joe movie or battleship movie.
you know = big weapons kill people .
the 3D in the ‘phantom menace’ trailer looked CRAP-ASS, i hope they aren’t counting on any wow-factor there to get bums on seats, i’d rather get my nose hairs plucked one-by-one by mr. magoo than pay more cash money to see that
Star Wars 3D = $50-60 million. Titanic 3D = $100+ million. #1 at the BO throughout the month of April. Book it.
Since Killers was from Lionsgate and they rarely get a non jigsaw/Medea film past that gross I would think they are pretty pleased with the result.
Oh, I’m probably seeing Ep1 in 3-D, just to see how the conversion looks, and because I love Star Wars, and because I’m not down on the prequels much at all. All of them have become underrated in their own way. The timing of Phantom Menace (being the first prequel, and coming out when I was finishing my first year at college) meant that it’s actually still my most-seen movie in the theaters; I believe I saw it eight times. So I’ll solidify it with a ninth, sure.
Actually, I’d love to hear other peoples’ lists of the movies they’ve seen the most times theatrically. Off the top of my head, I think mine is something like:
1. Episode One: 8x
2. Episode Two: 7x
2. The Royal Tenenbaums: 7x
4. Toy Story 2: 6x
5. Moulin Rouge: 5x
6. The Dark Knight: 4x
6. The Truman Show: 4x
6. The Matrix: 4x
6. Adaptation: 4x
All of the highest ones include at least one showing after the initial release, either at a rerelease or a midnight revival or something.
These days I rarely go above twice; usually, there’s one movie a year that makes it. Brick in ’06; There Will Be Blood in ’07; Dark Knight in ’08; Inglourious Basterds in ’09; Inception and Alice in Wonderland in ’10 (my wife loved the latter); and nothing in ’11, though I’d consider seeing The Muppets a third time.
The movie I probably saw in the theater more than any other was Bill & Ted’s Excellent Adventure. It was at the $1 theater for about six months.
Mark, yeah… no. It might get two weeks but we all know, Scary Movie 5 will win the April 20th weekend. Hell, something else has to come out in the month of April which seems rather sparse for some reason. Seriously, they load up fucking March but leave April barren? Really Hollywood? Really?
Also, why in the hell is Dark Shadows coming out a week after the Avengers?
JS, Titanic 3D is basically 1997’s Star Wars: Special Edition release for women. If the Lion King 3D could do $90 million and A New Hope SE could pull $130 million back in ’97, then taking the 3D bump into account, this thing pulls $150 without breaking a sweat – hell, I wouldn’t be surprised if it gets to $200. My wife, who doesn’t even like movies all that much, was 13 when the original came out and is clamoring to see the 3D re-release, and I think she’s representative of a lot of women her age. Cameron just knows how to draw.
Mark, for women of certain age, but everyone else it’s kind of skievy. You also have to factor in that giving it two weeks in April isn’t that bad, but it can’t dominate the month due to teenage girls and boys not giving a shit about Titanic and rather seeing another fucking Scary Movie… movie.
It can easily win two weekends but if it does anymore, then that’s just bad for the business. The same with any of the other re-releases, it’s bad when people go and spend their money on them and not new films. This includes movies I don’t hate with the fiery passion of thirty three Rudy Valentino’s! 50 to 60 million is nice little bump for the box office, but anymore than that leads to a nice piece about creative bankruptcy of Hollywood.
We’ll have to agree to disagree here and see where the chips fall, but I think you’re seriously underestimating the appeal of this film to women of ALL ages (also not quite sure what you mean about it being “kind of skievy”) and the BO potential of the re-release. I think it’s going to be seen as a cultural event, just as it was the first time around, and one that just HAS to be experienced in a theater. I’m saying $150 million or more.
I’d be curious to have DP weigh in here with a prediction as well.
JS, I’m not certain that Scary Movie 5 is actually coming out. Have you noticed that there’s no trailer or poster. Anthony Anderson said at one point that it would start shooting in January of this year, and I haven’t heard anything since. I don’t think it’s coming out in April. I wouldn’t be sure that it’s coming out this year slash at all. It’s the Weinsteins, after all.
Speaking of no trailer or poster: why hasn’t WB put out a trailer or poster or anything for Dark Shadows? It’s pretty much the only big May movie that doesn’t have that stuff playing, and it seems like Sherlock Holmes 2 would’ve been the perfect place to attach a trailer. Think it’ll get pushed? I hope not; I feel like there’s room for it post-Avengers, considering how much of that audience will go first weekend. They could always push it back a weekend or two (does anyone really believe NOTHING can open opposite Battleship, or even Men in Black 3?), but with no trailer/etc. yet, it seems like they’d be going further back than a few weeks. You have to go to mid-June before you find more summer movies without at least teasers, and late July/early August before there’s more than a handful without ’em.
Selfishly, I hope it comes out because I’m much more interested in that than the other post-Avengers May movies.
Bummed that Warrior flopoed, but I guess I’m part of the problem since I didn’t see it in theaters either.
http://jermsguy.blogspot.com/2012/01/warrior-dvd-review.html
Mark, it’s a skievy movie. The ending of the movie alone is worth mockery and disdain, and there’s an entire generation of people who don’t give a fuck about that film. The same goes with the LOTR movies. These current kids don’t give a crap and acting like it’s going to be an event because your wife wants to see it, is a stretch for me. I did see that trailer before Tin Tin, and the folks in the theatre seemingly sat their bemused in the fact someone gave a shit enough to put Titanic out in 3D.
That re-release aside, Jesse Scary Movie 5 has a date in April. If they move it that would make sense but look at April. Why in the hell is there hardly anything listed as playing in April? Last year these buffoons have the family film blood bath, and this year they have seemingly left April open, while March is crowded. Why John Carter or The Hunger Games doesn’t move to April is beyond me.
Now with Dark Shadows, you would think at 4 months out as of today, we would have a trailer, and even a poster. It just seems weird we have this trippy Tim Burton/Depp movie coming out in 4 MONTHS, and not even a poster!
JS, it’s not just my wife, though I think her reaction is representative of a good amount of the moviegoing (and non-moviegoing) population. Poll any movie blog that isn’t heavily fanboy-skewing (and even some that are), and I imagine you’ll get a good number of people saying “well, I don’t really love it, but it’s an event, so I guess I’ll see it.” It’s inexplicable, but Cameron gets the asses in the seats. $150 million. Write it down.
Someone should save this thread. A lot of bold prognostication from JS that will be fun to revisit in a couple months.
JS, Scary Movie 5 “has a date” in April in the sense that it was obviously mentioned at some point, and the Weinsteins have yet to officially push it back, and no one updated Box Office Mojo to reflect the lack of the movie, you know, EXISTING yet. But if they haven’t shot it, and I don’t think they have, they’re not getting it out in April just because there’s a spot for it.
April actually IS pretty crowded… just not with big-money type of movies. First weekend you’ve got nostalgia with American Pie 4 and Titanic 3-D. Second weekend, Three Stooges and Cabin in the Woods could serve their niches, plus a Stallone actioner.
Then on that fabled Scary Movie 5 weekend, there are SIX wide releases scheduled. Seems like some of them are getting dumped, and I’m sure a handful will run out to August/September, but that’s where they are now. And then final weekend pre-Avengers, you’ve got a Jason Segel/Emily Blunt romcom that’ll probably do pretty well.
Even if a few movies move off April, you’ve got over a dozen wide releases — just as many as March.
But yeah, it seems like something in March — Mirror Mirror, 21 Jump Street, Project X — could jump over and do just as well.
Story, why are you always giving me shit? A guy thinks the Titanic re-release is going to do a 150 million (I despise that movie, but even I can see it making at least 50 to 60m) and you give me shit? Seriously? You going to hold on to that grudge forever or are you going to SMG that shit?
Jesse, true, but you would think we would have a bigger movie in April after the sort of biggies we have in March. I did forget about American Reunion opening that weekend against Titanic. Place your bets on which movie people want to see more because it’s not like those American Pie films don’t have audience.
If were taking bets, ill take Titanic 3d over American Reunion. And ill spot you 20 million
Here’s my head scratcher question: Disney, under the guiding hand of John Lasseter, has admirably been trying to push the Studio Ghibli films to a wider American audience for years now. They seemingly get their best chance to do so with the latest Miziyaki release, which looks absolutely delightful and magical and happens to be based on one of the most-beloved children’s books of the ages with name recognition for anyone who read it in grade school. So why they hell do they slap the borderline tounge-twister title “THE SECRET WORLD OF ARIETTY” on it instead of “THE BORROWERS?” This is almost as dumb as removing “OF MARS” from “JOHN CARTER.” Jeez….
I’m more interested in the live action Star Wars series they’ve been talking about for like 10 years. If they have 50-100 episodes, there’s way less chance for Lucas to muck around in it and much more chance for writers of actual skill to be involved.
…so now “Titanic” is a “skievy” movie?
Oh, brother.
Why?
Because Chris Nolan didn’t direct it, and Heath Ledger wasn’t in it?
From JS’s irrational hatred of James Cameron, you’d swear Mr. “Avatar” must’ve been the one who told JS there was no Santa Claus when he was a kid.
Or killed his childhood pooch.
Movieman, you have a strong dislike of one of the best sport docs ever. Excuse me for not being upset by you trying to give me shit for disliking a director that’s given the world over the last 16 years nothing but smaltz and by proxy the 3D craze which keeps GOING EVEN AFTER AUDIENCES FLIPPED IT OFF LAST YEAR! Finding Nemo in 3D? Come on Disney! COME ON! Now Wall-E in 3D and you might have something.
I do find it rather funny that you mock childhood trauma. Seriously, save your glib and flaccid responses for movies everyone finds great but do not work for you, that’s your schtick after all.
JS – I Have no grudge. But you’ve made several predictions here, which, lets be honest, no one but you really believes. Had someone else made such bold claims, I would have said the same – but you stepped up. The fact that you tend to state your own wishes as fact, and respond poorly when things don’t play out for you could lead to a…. spirited discussion down the line.
Now, should you turn out to be correct, you’ll have a lot of crowing to do.
And…. if audiences really hate 3D so much…. why do they keep going??
Story, you can go read the evidence all you like. Pirates 4 being the most glaring example that given the choice, people wanted to go 2D, and they did it in droves. The only reason it hasn’t died is because all of these execs bought into 3D BEING THE FUTURE. When it once again is just a fad, and a little extra bit of cash the execs can’t turn away. Seriously, there’s a reason why Sir Howard no longer runs Sony.
Now, this is just such shit from you; “But you’ve made several predictions here, which, lets be honest, no one but you really believes.”
So you speak for everyone now? Really? It gets better though.
“Had someone else made such bold claims, I would have said the same – but you stepped up. The fact that you tend to state your own wishes as fact,”
My wishes as fact? Not only are you Captain Assumption about me and so snidely think that you are right, but you fail to get that they are predictions. It has nothing to do with being right, it has to do with putting something out there, and excuse me for not being a fan of re-releases.
“and respond poorly when things don’t play out for you could lead to a…. spirited discussion down the line.”
Respond poorly? You fucking people giving me crap when I am right or when I am wrong. Doesn’t matter, but I have just as much as a right to the discussion as you. You, however, continually act as if I do not, and that’s more about you than me.
TITANIC is Cameron’s absolute masterpiece; That scene where Winslet goes back down through the flooding hallways to save the chained-up Leo is THE BEST THING Cameron has EEEEEVER directed, and I usually cry like a little girl through the entire last hour of that, before finally losing my shit 10000% on the final flashback tour through the boat that ends with Leo turning around for Winslet and the whole ship applauds. It’s some of the best filmmaking ever.
Why JS, who likes LITERALLY EVERY STUPID THING EEEEVER, has to shit on ONE RANDOM MOVIE every sixth months, is like some Aspergian sports-freak “rooting” take-sides mystery that is the defining central annoyance of his shtick.
Dino: Based on Heigl’s male co-stars and the average gross for female-driven rom-coms, those (post-27 DRESSES, which was her first real vehicle) numbers are not good, and more importantly–and not forgetting NYE–heading in the wrong direction. If OFTM even makes it to $40 mill, I’ll be genuinely shocked.
ARRIETTY is technically a remake, since there was a live-action version of THE BORROWERS several years ago. Given Studio Ghibli’s track record here, and the near-certainty that Disney will again not make subtitled prints available to art-houses for grown-ups, I fear it’s not going to do much better than PONYO.
And I don’t think AVENGERS will hurt DARK SHADOWS that much; it’s going to skew baby-boomer big-time–or to put it in Lex terms, it’s TWILIGHT for old people. (Though I agree it’s odd that there wasn’t even a teaser attached to HOLMES. Maybe they are planning to move it back.)
Yeah, The Borrowers was that John Goodman movie, and before that it was that Saturday morning cartoon The Littles.
But I’d put The Secret World of Arietty on the bad title list right under The Last Mimzy.
daily show makes fun of cnn – cnn makes prank calls at 5 AM ..
video included ..
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/11/jon-stewart-rips-cnns-early-morning-wake-em-up-calls_n_1198958.html
Lex, unlike you, I don’t have a schtick. I don’t hate myself, have a problem with women, or my hair line, so there’s no reason for me to make up a schitck, that features me raging against the supposed injustices of the world like you.
I simply dislike Titanic, Cameron as a man, and Cameron as a director. The fact that you, the guy who owns all of those shitty Franchise action films on DVD, gives me shit for my taste is hilarious. Especially given the fact that unlike you, I love a little something called the CRITERION COLLECTION. You fail like your Steelers. GOOD DAY!
You also have to pick a side. I am firmly on the side against fucking shit like Titanic. If you got a problem with it, sit on it. There’s a reference from your youth, that you may enjoy.
Now, you folks don’t like the Secret World of Arriety? Really? Arriety is such a wonderful word though and that alone makes that title one of my faves in years.
i want Carey Mulligan to provide exclusive content for mcn
once per month in video form .. with no real conflict of interest …
Carey Mulligan has beaten the dp/30 system and is too for for any more of these.
so lets try something different with actors ..
Keep playing victim, JS. Of course, it’s always everyone else.
“You also have to pick a side.”
YOU may have to, Cap’n Binary. Others are capable of more nuance.
Skievy…….. You keep using that word….. I do not think it means what you think it means….. or that it’s spelled the way you think it’s spelled.
Story, the fact that you use the word victimization is what makes such a tool. There’s no one getting hurt here but you pop up out of the woodwork, and give me shit for stating anything. You do it all the time and I will not even write excuse me for my alleged bad behavior because when it comes to you: you’re the new Jeffy Mac of the blog. You think you’re the sheriff for some reason, so here’s your fake sheriff badge.
I do find it funny that you actually think your opinion of things is how things are. Sorry, if I feel pissed off by something. You thinking I have no right to be pissed off by something, doesn’t change anything. I’ve been given shit for a variety of things and you thinking I haven’t, again, CHANGES ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
ETA: Oh look another little boy trying to be cute on the blog. Sorry Joe, but I know what it means, and I spell the way I feel like it. Take that extra “E”, turn it side ways, and you know where to put it.
But I’d put The Secret World of Arietty on the bad title list right under The Last Mimzy.
..or “The Tale of Despereaux” (which was a very good animated flick btw).
I’m curious how these 3D re-releases will do. I thought that the Toy Story 3D double feature would do great(especially since that seemed to be toward the height of the 3D craze) and that bombed. While Lion King was a massive success and was extended.
I think that as long as Star Wars and Titanic do 50-70 million dollars then they will be profitable and then we will get more 3D movies. I hope Cameron goes back and add 3D to the terminator, Aliens, and T2, I would love to see those three on the big screen again.
Die, 3D, die.
You wouldn’t happen to have a job at Ocean Marketing, would you, JS?
SKEEVY: disgusting or distasteful; nasty, sleazy
How is Titanic skeevy? It was asked before but never answered.
On the 3-D front, I just hope the fad lasts long enough that Zemeckis can get Yellow Submarine 3-D made. It’s abstract enough that they can avoid the uncanny valley and if done right, would be a hell of a ride.
I think Im Sherriff…. ’cause I think it’ll be funny to revisit highly unlikely predictions after the numbers are in…. M’kay. That’s nice.
And I stated my opinion as “how things are”…uh, where now? LOL. Its like you’re having a whole other argument in your head, imagining things I might say so you could toss out your pre-planned comeback.
Joe, I thought the Yellow Submarine thing was long dead and not expected to be revived…
I know it was dead at Disney after A Christmas Carol had disappointing grosses, but they were still shopping it around. I know it’s a longshot, but it is something like that would actually be a great use of the technology and Zemeckis’ talents. I got a glimpse of the potential in some of the wonderful action sequences in Tintin (Especially in the second half where Spielberg goes crazy in a very good way), and I think Yellow Submarine would be something to go all the way with the potential.
I didn’t really care for Avatar but the 3D was something to see. I did really dig Hugo and thought the 3D, excuse the pun, really added another dimension. The 3d glasses don’t bother me. If there was no difference in price, I don’t know if I’d care. While $2 isn’t going to mean the difference between me sleeping outdoors, I find the thought paying an extra $4 for what is often an inconsequential alteration of the original to be an obscene display of greed. Especially in light of news that studios, or at least Sony, weren’t charging for the glasses.
I have zero desire to go out and see any re-release just cuz it’s now in 3D. It’s an easy gamble for studios. The people going to see it already love the film. Even under the most objectionable conditions, it’s not going to take away from the satisfaction the person had on his or her initial viewing. Theoretically, they could lose on the marketing costs & distribution but I don’t see this money grab trick going away any sooner than the con pulling the supermarket slip-n-fall looking to get a check to go away.
I’m to the point that unless I hear something HAS TO be seen in 3D, I’m seeking out the 2d showings. Like I did for TinTin and frankly glad I did. There were a couple of movies I wanted to see because of how they were to look in 3D, the shark, or wait maybe it was piranha, movie and Step Up 3D. I’ve never seen anything on those 3d tv’s. I wonder if they’re anything close to the theatrical experience. These are two films I was willing to pay a premium on before but now I don’t know if I can be bothered. I wonder if DVD sales, which yeah I know is supposed to be dead already, but I wonder if these films won’t suffer in secondary markets because a major selling component is removed?
Got a free pass to see The Darkest Hour. Three dimensions of fucking crap.
you and me against the pricks! are you with me?
(that’s for you movieman, probably the only person who’ll get it. i saw a doc last night that featured nancy savoca – such a character, hilarious – talking all about making that movie with mr. natural, v. bittersweet)
people’s choice winners
-Favourite Movie Icon: Morgan Freeman
-Favourite Comedy Movie: Bridesmaids
-Favourite Drama Movie: Water for Elephants
-Favourite Movie Star Under 25: Chloe Grace Moretz
-Favourite Comedic Movie Actor: Adam Sandler
-Favourite Comedic Movie Actress: Emma Stone
-Favourite Network TV Comedy: How I Met Your Mother
-Favourite New TV Drama: Person of Interest
-Favourite New TV Comedy: 2 Broke Girls
-Favourite Band: Maroon 5
-Favourite Pop Artist: Demi Lovato
-Favourite TV Drama Actress: Nina Dobrev
-Favourite TV Drama Actor: Nathan Fillion
-Favourite TV Comedy Actor: Neil Patrick Harris
-Favourite TV Comedy Actress: Lea Michelle
-Favourite Cable TV Comedy: Hot in Clevland
-Favourite Cable TV Drama: Pretty Little Liars
-Favourite Daytime TV Host: Ellen Degeneres
-Favourite Book Adaptation: Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Part 2
-Favourite Celeb Reality Star: Kim Kardashian
-Favourite Album of the Year: Lady Gaga’s Born This Way
-Favourite Sci-Fi Fantasy Show: Supernatural
-Favourite R&B Artist: Rihanna
-Favourite Movie Superhero: The Green Lantern
SM, they are my predictions and I don’t believe Titanic is going to make 150m, and I am crazy? Really? Again, you just like be condescending to me, so why don’t we just ignore one another to save the blog space.
even if titanic makes 25 million – how much money can the cat make off this ? Leo and Kate are super mega rich millionaires already – but the rest of the hundreds of cast who like drowned and stuff and had like 2 lines .
new tv show – are you there chelsea ..
from chellsea handler who has a tv show on e!
acting is alright but overall its average with
cheap jokes .
http://www.nbc.com/are-you-there-chelsea/
it be nice if louis ck just yelled at the lame comics who have tv shows .
Favourite Movie Star Under 25: Chloe Grace Moretz
GOOD CHOICE.
DP missed out on getting new dp30 interviews from this show ..
pictures from peoples choice awards – 100
+ pictures …
http://justjared.buzznet.com/photos/2012-peoples-choice-awards/
rant about peoples choice award on gawker
“And the people who do the choosing are not the people you want choosing anything for you. They’re the people who think the Oscars are too damn fussy because they don’t choose movies that people really watch, like Paul Blart: Mall Cop. Instead, they pick movies that are good and confusing and boring. They are the kind of people that want their love for the lowest common denominator reaffirmed by all the other denominators out there.”
http://gawker.com/5875253/the-peoples-choice-awards-suck
Great link sanj. I do see it as a big FU to other award shows. If nothing else, it shows what voters are most interested in at a single year in time, whatever that means, hence further proving how meaningless such an awards show is.
Maybe I have a grandiose view of what an awards show mean means, but I used to think the winners of the Oscars were well earned or at least made sense. Nowadays, it seems that there are way too many “indie” films and actors who either get nominated or win. There’s nothing wrong with this notion, but this was not always the case (for obvious reasons – less majors care for making “good” films).
What seems to be occurring is that not enough “mainstream” movies are being recognized, hence the lack of interest in the general population looking forward to award shows like the Oscars. As much as I loved (or perhaps liked a lot) “The Hurt Locker” or “The King’s Speech,” do these films really exemplify the best of film that year?
Of course it’s all subjective, but it seems that it earlier years, even into the early 90s, the winner of “Best Picture” was a no-brainer.
Nowadays, some indie film that not too many people cared to see (or wasn’t exactly ground breaking, or even heartfelt), wins Best Picture. Am I out of line with this assessement?
Got that “Dogfight” ref, Leah. Very cool.
What doc was Savoca featured in?
I’m still waiting to hear whether her latest which premiered in Toronto last fall ever sees the light of (theatrical) day.
the smaller indie films – its probably the acting thats strong and sometimes the picture overall makes sense for best picture ….
if all the major films get nominated then the indie films
would get hurt –
just gotta balance it out…
there’s like a dozen movie awards – everybody gets something – this is good for promoting films .
actors with tshirts
http://i.imgur.com/KdZMr.jpg
Any discussion of 3D has to take into consideration that it is going over like gangbusters overseas and is boosting their worldwide BO numbers. I can see Titanic doing a hundred domestic, but if this is a worldwide rerelease, given how popular it was the first time and with the increased interest in 3D, I can see the foreign numbers rivaling if not surpasing the foreign take of Avengers.
brack: I don’t imagine there are many serious film lovers who think that the Academy EVER used to ‘get it right’ with any consistency. Sure, many past choices accurately reflect the prevailing opinion of the time, though there have also been many ‘upsets’ and surprise winners over the years. As you say, this is subjective stuff, but I’m sure most of us can name dozens of great films that were overlooked, many of which are held in higher esteem today than the films that won.
As for ‘not enough’ mainstream films being nominated — the purpose of the awards is to honor quality, not popularity (even if that purpose is rarely fulfilled). Sure, this means less general interest in the Oscars and the Oscar broadcast, but so what? The Oscars are (and only ever were) a snapshot of what a significant percentage of a particular voting body finds to be the top cinematic achievements of a given year. There is never any hope that their choices will “really exemplify” anything other than that.
movieman, just quickly: i’ll try to find out — i saw it at someone else’s place (who knows i’m a huge fan of ‘dogfight’) but when i asked what it was exactly, i’d never heard of it and circumstances were such that i didn’t get the chance to press the issue… it looked like an episodic programme from something like ‘the arts channel’ or some such, dealing with a specific movie/actor/etc. anyway from the commentary it sounded maybe a few years old, and in the segment i saw savoca didn’t talk about any of her current projects, mainly just riv really (lots of fascinating stuff — how sceptical people were when she cast him, how the bean counters packed a major freaking sad when they cut off his super-long hair…”why did you cut his hair?!”…”because he’s playing a fucking MARINE!”, bloody hell, dipshits)
and since it’s byob and i meant to ask before (if you don’t feel like getting into it no worries), what are your feelings about sluizer possibly releasing ‘dark blood’? seems like i’ve been waiting a lifetime, i’d given up, really.
some years back i heard from a friend of a friend of a friend blah blah blah – you know how that goes – who was a grip (i think it was a grip) on the shoot in new mexico that riv’s perf was the talk of the crew, just unbefuckinglievable, which makes the possibility of never seeing it that much harder to swallow. (i don’t quite understand the flack sluizer’s getting for wanting to recut/release it in some form now…nobody seemed to crucify gilliam for finishing and releasing ‘dr parnassus’, or trumbull for ‘brainstorm’, etc — i guess the possibility of ‘dark blood’ seeing the light of day after such a passage of time brings out the cynics, but if sluizer’s main concern was monetary it would seem capitalising on riv’s death at the time when it was so sensationalised would have been the ticket, not almost 2 decades later)
I tend to agree w/you brack. I happened to turn on the People’s Choice right when Emma Stone won for favorite actress. I didn’t see who all the nominees were but I was a bit shocked that she won. Then I thought, no, it’s probably tween aged girls flooding the ballot box. Then I wondered who actually did the voting. Was this sorta like an MTV thing where promotion and politics determine the winners? Was it straight fan internet voting or what? Anyway, I thought it was kinda cool she won. I haven’t seen her last two movies but take something like Easy A, she was perfect and on point. Is that a movie or role that would ever get nominated for an Oscar? No, but is there a legitimate gripe that those kind of roles never get recognized even though they may not only make an actor’s career but be forever synonymous with that person?
If the Academy Awards wants to be THE award of record, can it look past films like The Dark Knight or Knocked Up? (Not saying they’re the end all, be all, but they’re types of films that tend not to be deemed worthy). Is there a point when a body’s exclusivity jeopardizes its credibility? Metal and rap may’ve been outliers in terms of proportion of the entire music industry in the late 80s/early 90s but did picking Jethro Tull over Metallica and Arrested Development over Public Enemy convey to the younger public that the Grammy’s were too insular to be taken seriously? Although, they seemed to survive not giving the Beatles one all through their prime. Something happened over the years to where they have to air on a Sunday night or risk getting creamed by American Idol on a regular night in the ratings.
I don’t know if the Academy needs to take public sentiment into consideration when voting but then it can’t be dismayed when the public turns its attention away from watching their show. Fifty years ago, would anyone have believed that boxing and horse racing would be absent from the American conscience? I’m not saying the Academy needs to think of gimmicks or tricks to attract or sustain audience members but just remaining exclusive isn’t a guarantee to retain its relevance and collective positioning.
The trailer for the new Wes Anderson movie gave me my first genuine smile of 2012.
(And if any of you Hot Bloggers lived in northeastern Ohio, you’d know how scarce smiles are at this time of year.)
Leah- It sounds as though it may have been a locally-produced doc on indie filmmakers that I’d never have the chance to see anyway in the states. Too bad. I don’t think I’ve ever actually heard Savoca….speak.
That sounds weird, doesn’t it? I mean, she spoke volumes through her wonderful movies (“Dogfight,” “True Love,” “Household Saints”), didn’t she?
As curious (that’s putting it mildly) as I would be to see “The River Movie That Never Was,” I’ve got a strong feeling that it’ll never happen. Whether it’s because Phoenix’s family (legally) prevents the movie from ever seeing the light of (public) day. Or because Sluizer suddenly realizes he doesn’t quite have enough for a finished film. (Seriously: if he actually had enough rough footage in the can, what took he so g*ddamned long splicing it together?)
But, oh hell yeah. I would definitely love to see WHATEVER footage exists (and not just the random moments glimpsed on YouTube) of “Dark Blood.” Insanely brilliant or depressingly rotten, it doesn’t matter.
movieman: fwiw savoca was bonza, really open and outspoken and humorous, with a classic new yawk accent (bronx accent? i think that’s where she’s from) and this wild curly hair…
one of the things she talked about at some length was the dichotomy of how river was like an old mother hen with an ancient soul who took her under his wing (him having made a number of movies already by age 21 and ‘dogfight’ only her second directorial effort) – like he seemed to with everybody – but by the same token he was like this blank slate with huge vulnerability that engendered this protective, maternal instinct in her. (but then riv was also notoriously method; anthony clark told tales of how the lads in the cast went out during their boot camp before the shoot to get plastered off their faces and river would pick fights in character as birdlace with a group of guys and then when the shit would hit the fan he’d say stuff like, ‘go ahead and beat the crap out of me but first just TELL ME EXACTLY WHY YOU’RE DOING IT!’ which of course totally freaked them out and they’d bugger off, baffled)
“As curious (that’s putting it mildly) as I would be to see “The River Movie That Never Was,” I’ve got a strong feeling that it’ll never happen.”
eeeek don’t say that man! (tho you may be well be right, ugh, how depressing)
from what i gather i think sluizer owns the rights to the footage now outright, so i’m not sure if the phoenix estate could legally block some form of release… but of course they could be unhappy about it…
but why? to be honest i don’t see why they would want to prevent people from seeing riv’s last hurrah — so much time has passed, and even tho the production was notoriously troubled by the friction between sluizer and davis and river was supposedly miserable caught in the middle (but having come to his own natural epiphany put dabbling in the hard stuff well and truly behind him before production, until that one fateful lapse of course – unfortunately once is all it takes), by all accounts from people privy to the production riv in practically every scene absolutely killed it as ‘boy’… the majority of the film finished w/all 6 weeks of exteriors or whatever it was completed and, depending on the source, either 5 or 11 days of interiors to go in LA, which could be a lot on a small production but perhaps not insurmountable if the story was somewhat re-imagined, as sluizer has indicated…
but yes, why now after all this time is rather mysterious; sluizer’s son has commented that his dad was so devastated by river’s death that he wasn’t sure he wanted to make movies at all anymore – and apparently sluizer suffered something like a stroke that nearly killed him not so long ago, which made him rethink his life and priorities – so it’s all very frustrating and confusing. just thinking about it kinda makes me want to tear my hair out actually
That’s interesting, Leah.
Gilliam–with a lot of help from his highly placed friends-managed to (mostly successfully, depending on how you felt about the final result) reconfigure “Dr. Parnassus” after Ledger’s death.
I guess time will tell whether we ever get to see “Dark Blood.”
The completist (and the River fan) that I am sure hopes so.
I hadn’t heard the stories about Sluizer and Davis’ fracas during the shoot. Stupid me had always assumed that whatever production problems the film had were caused by River’s substance abuse issues. How gratifying, if sad, to learn that he’d pretty much licked them before (fatally) succumbing to temptation one last time.
nah by all accounts riv was on the straight and narrow and happy and healthy well before the dark blood shoot, on the ball and focused in new mex; it was the animosity and clash of egos between sluizer and davis that plagued the shoot (and river was never the raving ‘addict’ he as was made out to be in the media after his death; those close to him knew he was able to hide his use from many because he was a binge user when he hung out with certain ratbag friends, but could also go for long stretches w/out esp while working, which is not the characteristic of an addict who is dependant on a substance on a regular basis. but he was by all accounts a sensitive soul who felt the crushing weight of the world on his shoulders and at times got seriously high; celebrity and the ass-kissing soul-sucking back-stabbing business side of the industry was not his friend, he had a hard time w/it)
here’s lovely photo of him w/george on set in 93 i have, they look kinda silly arm-n-arm:
http://i1054.photobucket.com/albums/s489/leahs66/darkbloodfour.gif
sorry so tiny, photobucket blows
Actually, I have always wanted to see this movie completed because I think Judy Davis is a smokin’ hot babe.
hey Joe – i saw your quote in a banner ad for warrior 2011 .
your famous now….
Sanj: I was famous before that. LOL.
http://www.movingpictureblog.com/2007/05/now-showing-at-fine-theaters-everywhere.html
Joe = do you give those posters out to fans ? there must be hundreds who want that.
also i have one idea for tiff 2012 – grab a dozen movie blogs and forum memembers and have them all in one place..
where we could discuss films…
I actually have one of those lobby displays out in the garage.
wonder how many movie critics are trying to get
on the dark knight rises poster . they’ve got 100 amazing
quotes to choose from.
Ebert must get first shot at being on movie posters right ?
a beaver computer case … what everybody needs
http://imgur.com/a/KhxA6
people really want apple products …
“An angry crowd shouted and threw eggs at Apple’s Beijing flagship store after it failed to open on schedule Friday to sell the popular new iPhone 4S model”
http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/mobiles/beijing-apple-store-egged-after-iphone-delay-20120113-1pz17.html#ixzz1jJfHl2GS
Nic Cage in Seeking Justice movie ..here’s
the trailer .
action movie that really needed some Steven Segal instead..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OXDHZ3BiXA
Been away, catching up…
Earlier this week, IO wrote: “Lex, unlike you, I don’t have a schtick.”
Yeah, you do. You’re clearly a lobbyist for the CGI and Comic Book Adaptation Union. Much like the “Chewlies” gum salesman in CLERKS, you seek to defend your crappy product and start a discussion when we all agree it’s nothing we want or, nothing special. Get some new material, bro.
Those People Choice Awards just confirmed how old, cranky and out of touch I am. But I’d rather be out of touch than be thrilled about anyone on that list who won anything. Or in other words, see: old and cranky.
I saw Tintin today- WEIRD movie. Tons of fun and amazing set pieces but, it’s weirdly paced and is a thinly veiled allegory about overcoming alcoholism. Plus, how does any movie let alone an animated one have guns, shootings, blood, stabbings, fights and TONS of drinking (and not just booze but medicine that has “alcohol” in it) and still land a “PG” rating? I think Spielberg works for the ratings board or is “invested” there. I’m no prude but damn….that movie had stuff that would land a PG13 or R in most cases.
Don, you’re a little behind the times if you think that most movies with relatively bloodless shootings and stabbings and fights would land an R “in most cases.” I feel like there’s a fair amount of leeway for violence as long as it doesn’t involve much gore, which this certainly did not.
Reminds me of Taken. I remember being amazed that despite drug use, forced prostitution, stabbings, beatings, shootings, and all kinds of violence & mayhem, it still received a PG-13. I think Jesse’s right. As long as you avoid explicit gore, you can avoid the R.
I loved that TINTIN wasn’t over-protected – it’s true to the source material. And felt as innocent as a 1930’s Sunday comic strip.
I felt that way at times about Tintin, Don, but a lot of the 1930’s adventures had a lot of shooting and drinking, just no blood when guys got shot. Only time I remember blood was when the dying guy leaves a clue on the newspaper.
But yeah, still jarring these days to have your animated protagonist shoot a lot of people. Still loved it.
A 1960’s episode of JONNY QUEST is far more violent.
You guys can all do your little “show one nipple and it’s R but you can KILL PEOPLE and get a PG!” routine for another THOUSAND YEARS, but it’ll never change the fact that VIOLENCE RULES, and little kids can take all kinds of awesome violence in movies because IT IS FAKE and NO ONE GIVES A SHIT, but it’s really a pair of tits on screen and if you’re watching that with your kid, there’s something sort of perverted/molestation-y about that. You’re gonna sit there with your KID watching nudity and be cool with that? That’s borderline ABUSE.
Violence, on the other hand, just makes kids more awesome. I saw every violence movie under the sun when I was 5 or 6, it made me want to be a director, made me wanna write short stories about killers and Michael Myers. When I was nine, I wrote 20 pages of a movie about a killer with a razor blade where I wanted Burt Young to play the cop in pursuit. SEE, THAT’S AN AWESOME KID. If I hadn’t been watching violent movies, I wouldn’t have been creative. All the other dork-ass kids were watching cartoons*… fuck THAT, I’d write little horror stories about monsters and killers and stabbings and stuff.
*Actually, nah, ALL KIDS when I was a kid were watching Porky’s and Alien and Halloween II… I’m pretty sure the little fruity gay kids today with their soy lunches can handle FUCKING TINTIN. We were watching that dude rip his face off in Poltergeist when we were 9.
I RULED.
Lex, not really, it fucks you up. They’ve done studies. Go read about it.
Petaluma Films, that’s not schtick you jackass. You also, like every other fucking middle-aged cranky white guy on this blog, seemingly fail to understand that I love many types of movies except for most shit horror films. Seriously, Human Centipede? IT SUCKS! The Unborn? IT SUCKS! Drag Me to Hell? JUMP SCARES… REALLY FUCKING SUCK!
Seriously, stop giving me shit for you being old and cranky, and that goes for the rest of you middle-aged cranks. Stop giving me shit for loving film because while Lex may be wrong about violent movies and kids. He’s right the fuck on about BLOG CULTURE, where people post about the movies they FUCKING HATE more than the MOVIES THEY LOVE! You are giving me shit for your short-comings, and I’ve had enough of your shit. Especially you Don, with your cowardly ass lacking the balls to go off on David for liking a film that you attacked me for liking as well.
You may think I am the Chewlies salesman but you are fucking Dante Hicks, pining fucking away for your past. Get the fuck over it and get it the fuck off of my fucking proverbial lawn.
Oh yeah it’s not my fucking fault you folks lack the ability to want to see Contraband and follow it up with the IRON LADY! Seriously, you’re as bad as that fucking moron over at Bad Movie Digest bitching about CGI. Freaking ponderous, man.
“Violence, on the other hand, just makes kids more awesome.”
Then what happened to you?
“Seriously, stop giving me shit for you being old and cranky, and that goes for the rest of you middle-aged cranks.”
Sure, you don’t start shit…. everyone picks on you for nothing. Jesus.
….Or…
That behavior will stop as soon as you stop throwing tantrums any time anyone disagrees with you.
Hey, I liked DRAG ME TO HELL!
And I don’t think Tintin should have been rated “R” but “PG-13” most definitely. I’m not like, losing sleep over it though.
I thought Contraband was pretty universally looked forward to around these parts. Iron Lady less so, but thats more because of the subject matter and cautious reviews than the genre. Surly you’re not suggesting the rest of us avoid indendent or foriegn films?
As for terrible horror movies, whats the predictions for Devil Inside drop this weekend? Is 70-80% unrealistic?
I have a theory that JS is one of those dudes who was a comic-geek dude with no luck with the ladies for like 30-some years, then in the last year or so he’s attained his first ever girlfriend, which accounts for his nouveaux-IO “sunshine and rainbows” optimism and gushiness about like 5 things… But then when you annoy him enough he reverts right back to that spaz-rage thing from the previous 30-plus years.
I like JS so I mean that analysis politely; But he reminds me of those geeky chicks who finally get a boyfriend at 35 then from then out THEY WON’T TALK TO ANYBODY, and act like their one random dude is like King Arthur or something, and they get all touchy when anyone tries to talk to them.
Lex, when I do the violence-will-get-you-a-PG-and-nudity-will-get-you-NC-17 routine, I speak more from a place of it’s ridiculous that nudity is considered so locked down (give, you know, THE INTERNET) not that violence shouldn’t get a pass. A lot of anti-MPAA arguments are like “and yet THIS got a PG-13??!” whereas my feeling is more like, whatever, just give most movies a PG-13 and save R for stuff that is actually violent and sexual, and save NC-17 for NOTHING because just about nothing actually deserves it.
I mean, I don’t like having asshole teenagers in the theater so it ultimately doesn’t much matter, but it is pretty crazy that we’re so protective of movie nudity when ANY KID can see ANY actress or whoever naked on the internet unsupervised… just not in a movie theater, where it becomes indecent!
And your argument about watching nudity with a kid there makes almost no sense. An R-rated movie means (in theory) that any kids there HAVE to be with parents. That sounds a lot more awkward to me than being in the same ROOM as a teenager when there’s naked breasts on screen.
Tits are real, the violence is fake.
In Hollywood, aren’t both those things fake?
I was allowed to see movies that were rated-R for language or nudity before I could see violent ones. This meant I could see PORKY’S OR FAST TIMES or REVENGE OF THE NERDS, but that I didn’t see FRIDAY THE 13th or A CLOCKWORK ORANGE or THE TOXIC AVENGER until later, which wasn’t admittedly that late because I remember fifth grade being when all of the restrictions were off. But still, I think I had a more mature POV on violence and that I could put it in context better than my then-contemporaries because of this. (For the record, I’m with Jesse in that I don’t find EITHER content to be a particular cause for concern.)
Sure, kids can see nudity on the internet, unsupervised, but if you supervise your kids (NetNanny) they can’t. And with R-rated movies, they have to either sneak in or be accompanied by a supervising adult.
Lex, that’s like saying “furniture is real, but the violence is fake.”
It’s true and yet means absolutely nothing, unless you already have a belief that seeing tits (or furniture) does a child some kind of crazy damage.
over 200 + comments ..
Elizabeth Olsen is still way hotter than her sisters
http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/ofqrs/elizabeth_olsen_is_still_way_hotter_than_her/
SM, did I do shit to have Don call me out? No. Did I do shit to have you give me crap for my predictions? No. That’s what happened but you know, you can’t fathom that any of this stuff that has happened. Go figure.
Don, exactly. You like shit. Don’t give me shit for liking something you think is shit. You dig? Probably not because you know, irritable male syndrome has got you in it’s grasp.
Now on to my buddy Lex and his complete and utter bullshit. Let’s break this down… BREAKDOWN!
“I have a theory… ”
Oh JEEBUS! HE HAS A THEORY! A THEORY!
“that JS is one of those dudes who was a comic-geek dude with no luck with the ladies for like 30-some years, then in the last year or so he’s attained his first ever girlfriend, which accounts for his nouveaux-IO “sunshine and rainbows” optimism and gushiness about like 5 things…”
That’s some shit sentence structure right here. It’s also reason NUMERO UNO why you should never ever goof on the way Leah post. Seriously, it’s an atrocious. Throw a fucking period in there somewhere buddy.
Now, you have to understand: I’m not you. You’re view of my life or even comic book geeks holds absolutely zero reality. Why? I could be mean to you but unlike you, I am trying not to be an asshole. You also need to understand that I don’t try to start any shit on here anymore because David asked me to be nice.
“But then when you annoy him enough he reverts right back to that spaz-rage thing from the previous 30-plus years.”
Spaz-rage? Really? There’s no such thing as spaz-rage. It’s being annoyed with a guy whose giving me shit for reasons that have nothing to do with me. Fuck him for that by the way.
“I like JS so I mean that analysis politely; But he reminds me of those geeky chicks who finally get a boyfriend at 35 then from then out THEY WON’T TALK TO ANYBODY, and act like their one random dude is like King Arthur or something, and they get all touchy when anyone tries to talk to them.”
Yeah I can talk to anyone. I am not you. I do not have social anxiety disorder. Stop projecting on me, man.
Between allowing a kid to see either sex or violence it would depend how each was portrayed. I would have a lower bar regarding sex over violence but I would let a teen watch nearly any R rated action movie or even something like Shortbus before giving them the go ahead for Revenge of the Nerds.
Ha. Do you mean because there’s something like sexual assault in Revenge of the Nerds treated extremely lightly and comically? (If so, fair point.) I never saw that movie until a 2003 double-feature with American Splendor, and I was surprised by how much I liked it (especially given Pekar’s funny critique of it in Splendor).
Are you referring to Lewis having sex with the girl in the funhouse, or whatever it is? Because that’s actually really interesting…That wasn’t a film there was a whole lot of a discussion about in my family at the time. It was just something I remember being really into, along with ANIMAL HOUSE and Mel Brooks movies and tons of other stuff…
how can average reviewed movies like joyful noise afford
full color ads in newspapers but bigger movies and award
winning movies can’t ?
13 year old girl rants on …
Slut Shaming and Why it’s Wrong
4 minute video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXH2K7OC37s
I’m eager for feedback on this movie “The Divide”. The nytimes describes it as sort of high concept sci-fi torture horror. The reviewer finds it gratuitous and empty but the level of production seems quite high and the premise very interesting.
Torpid: http://www.variety.com/review/VE1117944846/
Thanks Joe. So I’m not so interested now.
Just read your Darkest Hour Joe. I couldn’t disagree more. I found it was very ineffective on almost every level, had absolutely no moments of thrill, intensity or suspense. Had no reason to be set in Moscow and I disagree that they were successful in making the locale a character in the movie. It was the complete opposite of Attack the Block, another somewhat similar movie, that made great use of its location, had some realistic dialogue, a fair amount of suspense and dread, and the creatures were actually menacing.
When I left The Darkest Hour I literally said out loud, “How does shit like this get greenlit?
watched the finder – tv show …
a small group finds missing people –
i really liked this – new actors i haven’t seen – and good
story …wasn’t confusing – wasn’t like other tv shows .
so there’s at least 6 people from this show that could
use a dp/30 ….none of them have had a dp/30 .
watched the Brad Bird dp/30 – this is more like a dvd extra … he didn’t say anything that surprised me at all.
DP is still cranking out new dp/30’s – not sure if everybody is watching them.. DP does have exclusives ..
anybody else doing to interview the sound guy for the artist …
still would like a few favorite actors to show up for a dp/30 …
Kristen Bell who i like as tv actress but not so much in movies – she does these super fun interviews on Craig FGerguson .. even if DP got her ..she wouldn’t be as
good as she is on there.
real horror movies are missing from the oscar top 10 lists of most movie critics …. come on .. there
has got to be a few that should have made the list..
Sanj, can’t think of many real horror films last year that would make a top ten list. I don’t bother to see very many but of the ones I did I Saw the Devil was the only standout.
JKill and Jesse, Yes the funhouse is an example of what I find wrong with Nerds, which I liked when I was 12 but like Red Dawn was suprised at when I viewed at a more mature age. Now, I find something inherently creepy about Lewis in ROTN, he wants the girl simply because she ‘belongs’ to the jocks and by taking her away he will become their equal. And while he has no reason to want to be in the same room as her with all the contempt and scorn she has thrown his way he still pursues her. Meanwhile she changes her mind due to his unbridled sexuality (which is apperently inherent in akward virgins) after he decieves her into sex and sells naked pictures of her to the entire campus for a dollar apiece.
All the other jiggly 80s comedies were about getting laid, but Nerds was about getting even, and the sex was just another way of keeping score. Its actually the opposite of Animal House, where it was the cool kids sticking it to the establishment, Nerds is about the Needlemeyers returning to the top of the heap.
red state – the woman – the ward – rubber – attack the block – might make the top 10 ..
horror films – well its all about the3 ending – a lot of them have endings that suck or don’t make sense .
take shelter is that a horror film ? Shannon got some acting awards out of it…
if you gibe just 2 horror films in the top 10 – usually that means some old movie director won’t have a shot –
apart from ‘outcast’ – the scottish supernatural/cult/werewolf movie – the other horror movie i liked suprisingly well from 2011 was ‘stake land’, which i just saw again. how weird to see kelly mcgillis after so long in such a flick. (for some reason whenever i think of kelly mcgillis, i awlays think of that bobcat goldthwait stand-up routine when he jokes about joining the navy after seeing ‘top gun’, scrubbing out latrines or some such with a bunch of other assholes thinking, “hey, you don’t look like kelly mcgillis”)
That funhouse scene in REVENGE disturbed me as the scene when the nerds are slopping up beer cereal while watching their sorority surveillance. But the movie had such a good heart otherwise and the audience reaction to Bernie Casey showing up at the end was awesome. Always forget that John Goodman played the asshole coach. Ah the 80’s.
Re violence in movies: wait till you guys see UNDERWORLD: AWAKENING. There is no NC-17 anymore as far as gore is concerned.
3 hours of golden globes – anybody watching ?
DP screwed up the title of the movie so i spent 3 minutes looking for the trailer
DP/30: Where Do We Go From Here, co-writer/director/actor Nadine Labaki
where do we go now trailer 2011
this is clearly not a movie for me…
anybody going to watch this ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBGuk2lfZdc
Watching the globes, glad Downton Abbey won. Out of the television awards so far PBS is the only Broadcast channel to nab one.
Speaking of horror…I rented KILL LIST on iTunes and it’s a FANTASTIC genre/horror movie. Uber violent and even more uber weird. I also enjoyed THE INKEEPERS which is on VOD and a ton of fun as well.
Speaking of VOD, has anyone else watched James Franco’s THE BROKEN TOWER, a biopic of the poet Hart Crane? It was just released by Focus Features’ fairly new premium on demand label. It’s certainly an interesting, bold film, one that unfolds in highly non-traditional rhythms to reflect the work of its subject. It evokes Gus Van Sant a good deal (especially MALA NOCHE) but it’s also its own specific thing. It’s not for everyone (it’s deliberately paced, to put it mildly) but those in the mood for adventurous, unbridled, personal, surely divisive and alienating art-house cinema may want to check it out.
I am really digging this trend of Focus and Searchlight putting too small for the arthouse films out on video. I know IFC has been doing it for awhile but never watched anything DTV from them that was actually worthwhile. Sort of overwhelmed since it might mean another dozen movies to check out over the course of a year but really like the initiative that they are taking to present things they think are quality but wouldn’t find an audience large enough to warrent even a limited release.
the simpsons had a entire parody episode of the social network – lisa makes springface – they also make fun of apple / mapple and there is a joke about Sofia Coppla films being super slow.
also the golden globes vs dp/30 …
no dp/30
Best Motion Picture — Drama
The Descendants
yes dp/30
Best Motion Picture — Comedy or Musical
The Artist
no dp/30
Best Director — Motion Picture
Martin Scorsese, Hugo
no dp/30
Best Actress — Drama
Meryl Streep, The Iron Lady
no dp/30
Best Actor — Drama
George Clooney, The Descendants
no dp/30
Best Actress — Comedy or Musical
Michelle Williams, My Week With Marilyn
no dp/30
Best Actor — Comedy or Musical
Jean Dujardin, The Artist
no dp/30
Best Supporting Actress
Octavia Spencer, The Help
no dp/30
Best Supporting Actor
Christopher Plummer, Beginners
no dp/30
Best Screenplay
Woody Allen, Midnight in Paris
yes dp/30
Best Original Score
Ludovic Bource – The Artist
no dp/30
Best Original Song
Masterpiece — W.E., Madonna, Julie Frost, Jimmy Harry
no dp/30
Best Animated Feature Film
The Adventures of Tintin
yes dp/30
Best Foreign Language Film
A Separation (Iran)
And on another note, it drives me crazy how there is actual sports journalism but televised entertainment journalism has simply devolved to some shitty sub-people magazine level entity. I was flipping through the channels after the globes, landed on E, and there was some panel interviewing the teenage girl from The Descendents and she was coming off as the least teenage girl among them.
Hcat, remember CNN’s Showbiz Today, particularly with Martin Grove. In the days before I had internet, circa 1984, it was my box office fix. And sure, they had their bit of gossip and fluff, but they dealt with a lot of entertainment business stories. Now if these Hollywood shows get through five minutes without saying the word Kardashian it’s a fucking miracle.
I miss Martin Grove. I actually went searching for a clip. Man his voice takes me back.
http://celebrity.aol.co.uk/videos-partner/cowboys-and-aliens-movie-review-517124469/
even i’m smart enough to figure out e! – access hollywood – entertainment tonight – zero journalism …
they don’t care about winners – all they care about is gossip and fashion trends ..
since i watched golden globes – i have to catch up on 3 hours worth of other tv shows i missed ..plus a few new dp/30’s
McPHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE POWER!
HYLAND POWER LOOK AT HER! WOODLEY LOOK AT HER! EVAN RACHEL WOOD YAAAAAAAAAAAY!
Why do you invite It Girl Emma Stone to a big awards show, then not let her present? She didn’t get to do any hot or funny things.
Seth Rogen goes into LexG mode… on tv
Seth Rogen – golden globe – 40 seconds video
http://gawker.com/5876319
hey DP – are you going to review the last 10 films that you did a dp/30 or do you not have the time ..
i’m trying to catch up with the dp/30’s …
suddenly i have too many tv shows to catch up on – that also
takes up time .. the dp/30’s take extra time cause they have no commercials ..
i see too many talented people on youtube making all sorts of videos – mostly funny – they just don’t have
a tv show to express their art and therefore no dp/30.
it takes 30 minutes to less to figure out if you like
a person on youtube – above the 1-2 major hits they
have… just give the youtubers a shot – a lot of people
can point you to the best people out there who can
actually give really great dp/30’s …
so are youtubers only on youtube banned ? or do they
have to impress you with some super small indie film.,.
i still see DP has the indie film guy – the recent dp/30’s with some bigger name actors like in the grey and
the help – they talked about how they had a smaller budget…
but i don’t see DP going after people who make short 5 minute movies on their iphones …