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10 “Good” Reasons To Vote For Mitt Romney

If you believe that an embryo should have the same rights as a grown woman, you should vote for Romney.

If you believe that cutting government income, in the form of taxes, will help the country pay its bills more quickly, you should vote for Romney.

If you believe that the United States will become stronger in the eyes of the world by threatening other sovereign nations with military actions, you should vote for Romney.

if you believe that your greatest achievement in your life would be a failure if expanded to affect others, you should vote for Romney.

If you don’t want to talk about your religious faith because you don’t think the masses will understand it, you should vote for Romney.

If you think that already financially troubled states should be left to their own devices in times of unexpected, unmanageable crisis, you should vote for Romney.

If you believe that the current President of the United States is out to destroy freedom of religion, speech, business, and First World status in the United States, you should vote for Romney

If you believe that multinational corporations and billionaires will accrue their benefits to the Middle or Lower Class if they have less taxes to pay and fewer government regulations to worry about, you should vote for Romney.

If you believe that America can be energy-independent without massively reducing the amount of fossil fuel energy we consume, you should vote for Romney.

If you believe that the world was safer when we were in Iraq and Afghanistan, that GW Bush’s economic policies were benefitting you, and the record deficits of the tax-cutting, war-driven Bush Administration were okay, but Obama’s deficits are destroying the foundations of America you should vote for Romney.

That is as straight as I can do it. No snark. No opinion. Not even point of controversy (like Paul Ryan voting to reduce funds for embassy protection then trying to turn Benghazi into Watergate and the facts proving his cynical conjecture to be dead wrong). We’ll leave that for another day. This is just the simple truth about what Romney offers. And what you will be embracing – and this is just the tip of the iceberg – with a vote for Romney.

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157 Responses to “10 “Good” Reasons To Vote For Mitt Romney”

  1. Lex says:

    DP, when did you get THIS political? Seem to remember you being fairly “yeah whatever” in years past, often even making throwaway comments that ppl would be surprised by some of your stances not being straight liberal across the board.

    Also is ANYONE’S life gonna change in any way based on the president, ever? Not unless you’re in the military.

    Also Mitt seems like a great dude, and MORMONS RULE.

  2. LYT says:

    “If you believe that the current President of the United States is out to destroy freedom of religion, speech, business, and First World status in the United States, you should vote for Obama.”

    ??? Did you mean to say Romney?

    Lex, Mormons want to take away your booze. Not saying Romney will, just saying that’s why they don’t rule. I can think of few issues that affect you more, until such time as the Free Hookers For All Party mounts a third-party insurgency.

    David’s politics have always been, as best as I can tell, left-leaning, but overly determined to call out his own side every time they slightly overreach (or are perceived to have) to prove he’s fair.

  3. David Poland says:

    Thanks, Luke. Weird.

    I’m not quite sure why you think I have some master plan because I don’t buy into everything any leftie says. I don’t like hypocrisy. Not on the right, not on the left, and not in my own mind. It’s not a black and white world.

    And the reason I may be upping it this year is that the extreme right in this country is being shoved our demographically. They feel cornered and that makes them truly dangerous. I don’t want to spend decades recovering from a Romney Administration. We were lucky to survive Bush’s undeniable failures. But at least he wasn’t an ideological extremist… just a war-mongering trickle downer.

    I don’t think Romney has any ideology other than getting elected. But Ryan does. And the people Romney has sold the small remaining part of his soul do. Being a Jew in a nation of Christians who are being made to feel paranoid by the nation’s leader… not a good place to be, historically.

  4. sanj says:

    hey DP – there will be more talking heads on tv for the next few days – do you like any of them ? are there people you wonder how’d this guy get on tv when he’s no expert ?
    i figure all the smart people on certain topics are on social media sites and not on 24 hour news networks …

    Stewart/Colbert are doing a live show – so that should be way more fun than any of the 24 hour networks.

    also if Obama wins – do you think he’ll do something
    that will actually fix something within 1 week since he’s got the power – example would be fixing the new york subway system so there’s no more flooding – millions ride that everyday and it’ll cost billions to fix …

  5. Bulldog68 says:

    “are there people you wonder how’d this guy get on tv when he’s no expert ?”

    Yeah, Dick Morris. The guy has never been right..ever.

  6. palmtree says:

    Yeah, but getting back to the movie industry for a second…

    Any thoughts on forcing porn stars to wear condoms?

  7. David Poland says:

    I know you’re kidding… but I’m not sure that allowing construction workers to hammer without a hard hat is a civil rights issue.

  8. christian says:

    Romney is the kind of guy whom the bully or bullied always love.

  9. Daniella Isaacs says:

    “Also is ANYONE’S life gonna change in any way based on the president, ever? Not unless you’re in the military.”

    …or unless you’re not white, straight, or male. HEY, that’s a lot of us!

    P.S. Two words: Supreme Court.

  10. StellaPD says:

    Yes people can get a little hysterical before a presidential election, but you don’t think a Romney administration would do everything in its power to appoint SC justices who vow to overturn Roe v. Wade? You don’t think they’d do everything they could to remove PP’s federal funding? Deep down he might be a “genial Mormon centrist,” but if he wins he will be under intense, enormous pressure from the extreme wing of his party (including his VP) to do their bidding from day 1.

  11. dummy says:

    “If you believe that an embryo should have the same rights as a grown woman, you should vote for Romney.”

    Your logic is so flawed, sad and unfortunate testament to our country

  12. sanj says:

    any predictions of what Romney will end up doing a year from now ? i figure he’ll hang out at fox news and become
    a bank president …

  13. Lex says:

    Didn’t happen under Reagan or W. Bush, both of whom were more “conservative.”

    Also, doesn’t Paul Ryan just seem like a great dude? I was raised to always respect the president, respect the office… Wish more people were a little more relaxed about the whole thing, and not see it as some European SOCCER GAME where we have to be hooligans and demonize one guy while turning the other into a saint. I respect PRESIDENT Obama… I’ll respect Mitt. Everyone should root FOR the president, not against them, and not expect the worst. Mitt will do a good job.

    And Mormons = more women who look like Julianna Hough and Carmen Rasmussen and every blonde, Caucasian hottie on TV practically; Mormons ARE the master race, at least in terms of good looks.

  14. anghus says:

    i don’t get political anymore. we live in a stupid society with easily manipulated sheeple. When you only have two choices, the word ‘freedom’ becomes irrelevant. It’s one side or the other, and personally think both sides suck.

  15. Don R. Lewis says:

    If you have a soap box of any kind to get on and you’re NOT speaking out against what’s happening, you’re a bad American, in my opinion. This shit (voter suppression, ethics violations, flat out lies in speeches)HAS to stop. From both sides….from any side.

    Yeah, I’m for Obama but as I said in the other thread; the GOP has worked for 4 years- four elected years- to simply stop anything Obama wants. That’s disgusting and un-American. Period. And Romney/Ryan are the ones being forced on their own party who has simply NO CLUE what the guy stands for (or, doesn’t) and they just don’t care.

  16. Lex says:

    Eh, still voting Mitt.

    Seems like a great dude. I can guarantee you I will get richer under a Mitt administration, and IF ANY OF YOU ARE BEING HONEST, and this is not a nice thing to say, but it’s true for me and probably YOU:

    I genuinely don’t care about any people who are not ME. Life is too short. Unless it affects movies, porn, prostitution, booze, or me making MONEY or GETTING LAID, nothing else matters to me. Like, do you guys all VOLUNTEER AT SOUP KITCHENS and clean sewage in poor neighborhoods? Probably not.

  17. StellaPD says:

    But Lex that doesn’t mean the effort won’t be there. And Paul Ryan does not seem like a great dude to me. He seems like a smarmy frat boy who isn’t half as smart as he thinks he is.

    How would you get richer in a Romney administration? He’s not going to cut your taxes.

  18. Lex says:

    Well, per the logic demonstrated in this thread, as a straight, white male I will be living the good life under Mitt, as opposed to the GRAPES OF WRATH existence I’ve maintained under Obama.

    Oh, wait, that’s right– again, for the cheap seats, no one’s live ever changes based on the president. I’ve lived under Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, and Obama (as a paycheck-earning taxpayer since Bush I), and I’ve always been an upper-lower class white trash meatball with a bad car, no spending cash, and have never had sex.

    Gee, I sure hope Mitt doesn’t fuck up THAT perfect streak for me.

  19. David Poland says:

    “Dummy,” I am guessing you find that notion stupid. But it’s EXACTLY what a bill Ryan sponsored called for.

    The biggest thing Romney has going for him in this election is that people don’t believe he believes what he says he believes.

    Read all the endorsements that endorse while citing Romney positions they think he won’t or can’t follow through on. Stunning.

  20. Rashad says:

    the GOP has worked for 4 years- four elected years- to simply stop anything Obama wants. That’s disgusting and un-American. Period

    Why exactly? If you truly believed deep down that the other side is wrong, and misguided, why would you help them achieve something you and your constituents don’t want?

  21. Don R. Lewis says:

    Rashad- without debate or discussion though? Just unilaterally striking down any and everything the President wants? Are you implying that every single constituent didn’t want every single thing the President did? I thought that elected officials worked for us, not that we follow their lead in whatever they want to accomplish for their lobbyists.

    Lex- it doesn’t matter who is President, you will remain a full grown child incapable of bettering his situation. Just as you have through every President.

  22. bulldog68 says:

    And that’s the main problem with dear old Mitt. No one knows what he believes, and I’ll venture that Mitt doesn’t know what Mitt believes anymore, except that he wants to be President. But don’t take my word for it, listen to his fellow Republicans

    Also just listen to the man himself

    So everyone is asking for the real Mitt Romney to please stand up.

  23. Js Partisan says:

    TA FUCKING DA!

    Yeah, it’s easy to go on about being sheep when you are a white privileged male. Seriously, two choices is still a CHOICE. If you have a wife, a mom, a daughter, a girlfriend, or a female friend you can’t go on about sheep and other bullshit when their FREEDOM is THREATENED BY THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. It’s unconscionable, ridiculous, and selfish. Very fucking selfish.

    Lex, seriously, I have no idea how your head got this far up your ass, but please try to remove it. Seriously. You are not going to get richer under Romney because he doesn’t give a shit about you, while the President wants to cut your taxes and raise Romney’s.

    Why so many stupid red state dipshits vote against their own self interest because of the bible, will always be more of a problem then them being supposed sheep. Seriously, Dummy’s response above is dangerous. The republicans and people who agree with them are dangerous and it’s time we start treating them as a threat instead of some cutesy bunch of pinheads.

  24. palmtree says:

    It’s a brilliant plan. Obstruct the President’s every move purely to keep him from any victories, and then turn around and tell the American people the President wasn’t able to accomplish everything he promised.

    Rashad, under a Republican administration, Obamacare (aka Romneycare) would have passed, and Republicans would be touting it as a great success. It was based on conservative thinking, and until Obama pushed it on a national level, it was Romney’s greatest success politically.

  25. Ryan says:

    Elected officials work for the simple majority of voters that get them elected (and the special interests they represent).

    The elected officials haven’t worked for ‘us’ for a long time now. When you perpetually run for re-election, as the House does, who cares about the interests of the people? They aren’t giving you the million dollars plus it takes to run a campaign every 18 months.

    Term limits, anyone? Change House terms to three years, Senate to four, max of 12 years total (choose what you want to go to and stay there). You also shouldn’t be able to run for two offices at the same time-that’s crazy (VP and Congress-I’m looking at your Paul Ryan!). Congress has a disapproval rating of 76% and a retention rate around 90%-does anyone see anything wrong with that picture? Citizens United just goes to prove that in the USA, anything is literally for sale.

  26. bulldog68 says:

    “Why exactly? If you truly believed deep down that the other side is wrong, and misguided, why would you help them achieve something you and your constituents don’t want?”

    What was so hypocritical about what the Repubs did was that Obama was truly blindsided when they were striking down former Republican ideas that he incorporated into his plans and they turned it down solely for the purpose of making him look like an ineffective President.

    Excerpt from http://www.addictinginfo.org
    Remember that thing called compromise that used to make America the engine that got things done, well that no longer exist thanks to extremely intelligent individuals like Tea Party Senator Richard Murdock.

    The definition of compromise is when two sides meet in the middle on an issue. But the Indiana Tea Party candidate who defeated long-time Republican Senator Richard Lugar on Tuesday night has his own definition of the word. In Richard Mourdock’s small mind, compromise is when Democrats agree with everything Republicans want.

    Mourdock appeared on MSNBC with Chuck Todd on Wednesday morning and said as much.

    ”I certainly think bipartisanship ought to consist of Democrats coming to the Republican point of view,” Mourdock declared. “If we [win the House, Senate, and White House], bipartisanship means they have to come our way, and if we’re successful in getting the numbers, we’ll work towards that.”

    So when Democrats won overwhelming majorities in both houses of Congress and captured the White House in 2008, in Mourdock’s opinion, the loser should have to work with the winner. But as we all know, that didn’t happen. In fact, Republicans started a vicious two year cycle of partisanship, blocking nominations made by President Obama and refusing to compromise on any and all legislation, even legislation that Republicans once supported. Republicans did this all in their effort to make President Obama and America fail so they could make Obama a one term President. In 2010, Republicans captured the House and claimed they had a mandate and all of a sudden Republicans expected Democrats to just bow down to Republican demands without a debate. Republicans, meanwhile, still refused and continue to refuse to compromise with Democrats in the Senate. And that will only get worse if Mourdock wins Lugar’s seat in November.

  27. Don R. Lewis says:

    The whole system needs an overhaul IMMEDIATELY. The voter suppression stuff is simply absurd in this day and age and I agree with much of what Ryan said. But bulldog is 10000% correct….and there shouldn’t be a way that a party can do that kind of thing. It’s just….fucked up.

  28. dummy says:

    “But it’s EXACTLY what a bill Ryan sponsored called for.”

    I don’t think it would be the first time a candidate has supported something radical, only to abandon the position for a more moderate stance trying to appeal to a broad audience.

    The notion I find stupid is that this is up for debate in the first place. I can’t think of stupider thing for Romney to pursue than abortion rights (should he be elected). You should HOPE he goes after Roe v Wade. Overturning it would require a cultural revolution: multiple SCOTUS appointments, unprecedented lobbying at every level of government, extensive bipartisan cooperation on perhaps the most conflicting issues in American politics…the list is endless.

    I guess all I can say is you must have a lot of confidence in what Romney is capable of doing. In fact, you make it easier to support Romney because I know he’ll never be able to live up to your absurd projections.

  29. Don R. Lewis says:

    The in either case, he’s still a huge fucking liar (ie; he’s saying he’ll overturn it, knowing he can’t to get votes OR….he won’t bother trying even though he says he will). It’s just annoying and sadly surprising people don’t pay attention and vote for their team even when their team is a huge piece of shit.

  30. Ryan says:

    Roe stands no matter what. Roberts doesn’t want to go down as the Chief Justice who took away women’s rights, no matter what he believes personally. It’s pretty obvious from his decision on Obamacare that he cares about the legacy on the Court over the long haul-he won’t let one case define it as Roe would.

  31. dummy says:

    @Don R Lewis

    Lara Logan, respected CBS news correspondent said in October 2012: “They still hate us, now more than ever…The Taliban and al-Qaida have not been vanquished, they’re coming back.”

    Last week, Obama told supporters “al-Qaeda has been decimated.” Is Lara Logan lying?

    I have no issue letting Romney slide on this hot button issue when the standard of “truth” exists where it does.

  32. Joe Straatmann says:

    When these people go into the, “What has Obama done?” I have a question: What has the tea party and their allies done? What are their landmarks? What are these new people new ideas doing? How are they helping get bi-partisan support? Making sure nothing gets done. I’m sure every other place I’ve worked at would consider me a great asset if that’s all I did.

    Anyway, in the four years under Obama, I have a better job, make more, am not afraid to go to the doctors if I need help, and have an awesome girlfriend, which means, yes, I get laid more if you’re the Lex crowd. Under Bush II, I got a job furlough and once was denied insurance payments from my insurance agency after two months of treatment because instead of making payments to my doctor, they spent two months figure out how this could be a pre-existing so they could deny it, scott free. Is my life better under Obama? YES. End of argument.

  33. Don R. Lewis says:

    Dummy-
    I have no clue if those who seek to harm America are on the rise or fall. I do know that what I see hurting America right now that I KNOW is hurting America is things like Florida making people wait in 3-7 hour long lines to vote. To VOTE. That’s pathetic, disgusting and treasonous. And that is being done by Romney/Ryan and the right wing.

    I also tire of the fear and “get behind the orphans” card being played by the right in response to a fact. But I appreciate the terror level talking point rather than go to hot button issues like Benghazi or Fast and Furious.

  34. StellaPD says:

    Lara Logan would never lie. She is a prophet of the truth. Clearly Obama does not deserve a second term because Lara Logan forcefully stated that al-Qaeda has not been wiped off the face of the earth forever. Case closed.

  35. bulldog68 says:

    It’s also amazing that in the past few days Faux News has been wall to wall Benghazi, with a death toll of 4, while Sandy claimed 110.

    With essentially proclaiming Benghazi as a scandal greater than Watergate, and the greatest terrorist fuck up off all time, they conveniently forget about all the warning signs and ignored intelligence under Bush, not to mention the almost 3000 souls lost that day.

    But then according to Republicans, history started the day Obama was elected.

    Let one Democrat mention 9/11 as one the major catalyst for the economic free fall as Bush proceeded to launch to unpaid for wars and continued his trickle down policies, policies that Romney is eager to return to, and they will cry that Democrats are playing politics with tragic events. But it’s perfectly okay for them to do it.

    And have you heard Guliani’s recent critique of Obama’s Sandy response. Now that Sununu has gone quiet after his stupid remarks, old Rudolph has decided to walk in his shoes. The same Rudolph who believes that Romney has more positions than a whore on Charlie Sheen’s speed dial.

  36. dummy says:

    @StellaPD, you’re right CBS is the new Fox News, fuck her

    I never said a word about Benghazi…glad you’re so concerned?

    Edit, @bulldog68 can you elaborate on how the murder of a foreign ambassador compares to the deaths of innocent victims of natural disasters?

  37. StellaPD says:

    dummy I just don’t think your argument is very persuasive. You are saying that Romney’s difficulties with the truth are acceptable because at a recent campaign rally Obama stated “al-Qaeda is decimated” even though prior to that a CBS News correspondent noted that al-Qaeda still hates us and hasn’t been totally eradicated?

  38. bulldog68 says:

    @Dummy The extent to which Fox News basically limited coverage of Sandy’s impact, especially since Christie gave Obama such a bear hug and ringing endorsement of his handling of the event, speaks to their agenda. Any story that has negative affects to Obama, gets wall to wall coverage. Anything positive, bury it.

    Since Obama became President, I would love to find one sound bite from Hannity where he said the President was right on something.

    I think the comparative on MSNBC should be Ed Shultz and there are numerous occasions where he expressed his disappointment with Obama. Not too mention MSNBC’s reaction to Obama’s 1st debate performance. Chris Matthews looked liked a child being told there was no Santa Claus.

    Switch to Fox for Romney’s 3rd debate performance, and they do not even have the analytical intelligence to admit their guy lost. No one is saying or expecting you to switch allegiances, but this total lack of perspective from what is now the majority on the right is what is damning the USA. Many moderate Repubs are all but quitting their own party.

    At the end of the day, if you forget about Obama and just focus on Mitt Romney himself, ask yourself, what does he believe? What is his core values? What do you think Mitt will die for? What about Mitt inspires you to want to do better for your country?

    What does Mitt believe? “Seriously conservative” or “I’ll be better for Gay Rights than Ted Kennedy”. Both his statements.

    What are his core values? “47% of Americans pay no income tax, people who I could never convince … to take personal responsibility and care for their lives”. or “My campaign is about the 100 percent in America and I’m concerned about them”

    What do you think Mitt will die for? Certainly not his country. He had chance and elected to go to France while supporting the war and others dying. And he certainly did not believe that any of his sons should serve either.

    What about Mitt inspires you to want to do better for your country? That answer I leave to you.

  39. Daniella Isaacs says:

    Mitt Romney’s motivation is that wants to be the first Mormon President and the one who fulfills the so called “White House Prophecy” that members of the LDS Church believe. (I was a Mormon for 18 years, I know what I’m talking about.) That’s it. That’s why he’s running. I’m not saying he’d try to change the capitol of the US to Salt Lake City or outlaw coffee. But it’s so clear: the one and only thing Romney would “die for” is his Church, which he clearly thinks will, at the very least, be seen in a more positive light if one of their own becomes Commander in Chief. In the meantime, he’s been saying everything he can to get into the White House. Once there, who the hell knows what he’d do?

  40. christian says:

    Dummy is aptly named.

    And just because Romney “can’t” end Roe v Wade doesn’t mean the GOP won’t try as they clearly are by defunding Planned Parenthood in Texas along with their loathsome “legitimate rape” laws (no “war on women” folks, just a bunch of wacko fundamentalists who think women can “shut down” the baby after a penis has been forced into their vaginas.) But white men need not worry!

    The GOP have shown utter contempt for this nation by gleefully plunging our credit rating just to fuck with the President — who they also demand prove he’s American (i.e., WHITE). Which is funny since today’s Republican party are the biggest bunch of traitors I’ve ever seen according to their own Bush-era FOX Hannity “how dare you criticize the president in a time of war” meme.

    Anyway. I can’t wait to watch the SCANNERS multiple head explosions across FOX tomorrow.

  41. Monco says:

    Well obviously he will unilaterally overturn Roe v Wade, make birth control illegal by overturning Griswold v Conneticut, put people in chains, push old people off cliffs, take health care from autistic children and probably make blood sacrifices to his Mormon god right in the Oval Office. Do you realize how crazy you all sound? The commenter above had it right. Roe v Wade won’t be touched while Roberts is on the court. You all are examples of the extreme left if you believe even half of this, a mirror of the extreme right you so deplore. Crazy things were said about Obama 4 years ago and Lex is right the world didn’t end. Then, as now, I just simply believed he that he is a pretty liberal guy who governs as a partisan. A man who blames ATMs for contributing to high unemployment, who feels gave prices 4 years ago were half of what they are now because the economy was on the brink of a collapse (this is so stupid that Bush would be proud), who brags about the auto bailout and says Romney would outsource jobs when they make 70 percent of their cars overseas. A man who has trillion dollar deficits and won’t articulate any plan for paying for the massive drivers our debt, Social Security and Medicare other than adding 4 points to the tax rates of 3% of Americans. The one thing that can’t be overstated is that maintaining these programs cannnot be sustained when their cost is increasing exponentially. They will be bankrupt. Republicans are the only ones offering even possible solutions to these problems, Bush tried to reform SS, Ronmey has a plan for Medicare. Bush was stonewalled by the Democrats without even a debate. According the the logic of this blog that is unamerican. Republicans want to have an honest, civil conversation about this. Democrats say we want to push granny off the cliff and that we want to make bit control illegal. How do you feel when your candidate using rhetoric that’ seeks to divide. stunning

  42. christian says:

    “Bush was stonewalled by the Democrats without even a debate.”

    Yes, that’s how he was unable to get tax cuts for his friends while starting a war in Iraq based on lies. Stonewalled again.

    What’s awesome about Republicans is the stream of insanity that pours forth like Monco’s above — it’s a fantasy based on denial of reality.

    “Do you realize how crazy you all sound? ”

    The GOP projection booth in a nutshell.

  43. Js Partisan says:

    Monco, that doesn’t make a lick of god damn sense. None of it. It’s so untrue and so full of shit, that it’s the blog of embodiment of Michael Rooker in “Slither.”

    Vote Romney if you hate women.

    Vote for the President if you don’t.

    The end of the debate.

    Oh yeah, let me just throw in that having a Democratic President means having a pro-science president. Women and Science. The end.

  44. David Poland says:

    I have always felt Roe was safe. I no longer do.

    Romney can’t overturn it. But if he brings 2 votes onto the court, it will be gone, no matter what Roberts wants.

    And of course, the rationalization is that dumping Roe doesn’t make abortion illegal. It just throws it to the states. And most states will vote for it. And 15 or 16 won’t…. leading to deaths.

    But again… as an Obama supporter, there are policies I don’t like. But I have never had to rationalize to myself that he’s just lying, so it’ll be okay

    The equal argument would be that Obama was actually a socialist, but claimed he didn’t believe that anymore.

  45. christian says:

    Some Great GOP Oldies To Remember:

    – “Obama Is The Most Divisive President Ever (He Refused To Show Us His Birth Certificate)”

    – “Global Warming Is The Greatest Hoax Ever Perpetrated on Mankind”

    – “Rape Is Just Another Form of Conception.”

    – “Lazy And Incompetent” – Teleprompter Mix

    – “YOU LIE!”

    And So Many More! Not Available After Nov 6.

  46. christian says:

    Speaking of Townhall.com, this is what passes for sanity in a lead story about a way outlier poll that gives Romney a percentage point lead:

    “Harnden’s key takeaways are that the figures are different “from virtually all public polling,” but that “if the internal polls are correct then Romney will almost certainly become the 45th President of the United States.”

    Isn’t that awesome? The poll doesn’t jibe with a single other poll, but if it’s true, Romney wins! Yay! This is the level of denial and projection that the GOP has come to rely on desperately.

  47. cadavra says:

    “If you believe that an embryo should have the same rights as a grown woman, you should vote for Romney.”

    I believe a more accurate phrase would be, “If you believe that an embryo should have MORE rights than a grown woman, you should vote for Romney.”

  48. Lex says:

    Is it really the Obama way for most of the above left-leaning commenters to be THIS ANGRY? I always wonder this about Devin Faraci, and to a lesser degree Wells, and Don Lewis and Christian above aren’t coming off as far behind: Shouldn’t a real dyed-in-the wool liberal be PROGRESSIVE, as in thoughtful, open-minded, CHARITABLE, and take the high road by being sort of genteel and nice? How can you be a liberal AND a bully? This is highly unscientific and I’m sure you guys can rightly point to a zillion right-leaning sites and radio shows hosted and commented upon by obnoxious, spiritually ugly blowhards… But in general, OVERALL, it seems like the red staters you guys HATE SO MUCH are generally agreeable, good-natured, folksy bumpkins, and guys in the comments section here or Faraci’s or wherever always seem like they’re ready to BLOW A FUCKING GASKET.

    Aren’t liberals supposed to at least be DECENT people, too thoughtful to come off with that bloodlust rage that they hate in conservatives? Conservatives might undeniably be bigger assholes, but liberals are almost always bigger jerks.

    I mean, just in micro, the worst, worst a right-winger can really hit a liberal with is pussy, limp, weak, tree-hugger, hippie, OOOOH SOCIALIST. Libs come back with Nazi, woman-hater, murderer, sociopath, homophobe, etc etc.

    Honestly, it’s just an absolute bubble, and showfolk and movie bloggers are ensconsed in the politics of the industry and the “town.” Growing up in Pennsylvania, nobody was ready to go to CIVIL WAR MELTDOWN def-con level over a difference of opinion.

  49. Ryan says:

    Heres the age breakdown of the justices on the courts who might be replaced:

    79 Justice Ginsburg
    76 Justice Scalia
    75 Justice Kennedy
    71 Stephen Bryer

    Ginsburg will likely stay as long as she can if Romney gets elected. Breyer and Kennedy aren’t against Roe. Everyone else on the court is 65 or younger-they aren’t going anywhere. Let’s say Scalia and Ginsburg get replaced with anti-Roe conservatives. Roberts then becomes the ‘swing vote’, and he isn’t going to define his legacy by one case.

  50. bulldog68 says:

    If my memory serves right, it’s the right that have been accusing the left of instituting death panels, giving Obama the Hitler mustache on their posters at rallies and accusing him of indoctrination. So the Nazi stuff flows right to left.

    As for the woman hater mantle, well see anything that Rush Limbaugh says and see how the repubs cant bring themselves to place some daylight between them and their supreme leader. Not one high ranking repub repudiated Limbaugh, just dome weak ass bullshit about poorly chosen words. So yeah, they are earning the woman hater mantle for their deeds and their proposed policies. When there is a rational for covering boner pills and not contraception, yeah, they are earning the woman hater mantle.

    As for the homophobe mantle, well we have video on that.
    http://www.upworthy.com/mitt-romney-accidentally-confronts-a-gay-veteran-awesomeness-ensues, and you could also look up the meaning of the word Santorum.

  51. StellaPD says:

    Liberals can be just as loony as conservatives. Over the weekend I heard a story on NPR about long-term friendships ending because of the election. People talked about how they were no longer speaking to a friend or sibling or relative because of who that person plans on voting for. Some liberals interviewed played the Nazi card and said some nutty stuff. It’s not difficult to find anecdotal evidence. Crazy doesn’t discriminate politically.

    It’s a different matter when it comes to elected officials. The GOP has taken a sharp right turn. The moderate Republican in congress is extinct. This isn’t to say that Democrats are flawless, but right-wing loons have become the norm in congress. More than half of the GOP candidates for Senate oppose abortion for rape victims. That’s bonkers.

  52. Lex says:

    “More than half of the GOP candidates for Senate oppose abortion for rape victims. That’s bonkers.”

    I shouldn’t touch this one with a 10-foot pole, because this is NOT my opinion, and if anything I’m in favor of population control, pro NOT HAVING KIDS, as I personally DESPISE CHILDREN, and think most kids shouldn’t have been brought into the world, because they’re all gonna be idiots.

    But, but, but… Isn’t the “oppose it even in rape” stance kind of more honest? Like if the central thesis is that a MICROSCOPIC SLAB OF GOO constitutes a human being, and aborting an HOURS-OLD “FETUS” is the *ultimate* sin…. the issue is that LIFE IS PRECIOUS, and that abortion is MURDERING THAT POTENTIAL LIFE. Some Catholics and such would argue that the circumstances are irrelevant– if you believe an HOURS OLD EMBRYO IS A HUMAN BEING AND YOU ARE MURDERING IT, then how is it somehow LESS OF A HUMAN BEING if it was brought about via rape?

    Not saying this is my stance at all, but it is the stance of almost every truly hardcore CATHOLIC I know; Secular and Jewish people cannot and WILL NOT understand or even acknowledge this, but in the Catholic faith, ABORTION is taught to us as WORSE THAN MURDER, WORSE THAN RAPE, WORSE THAN CHILD MOLESTATION…. I was taught abortion is THE *one* unforgivable mortal sin, THE most EVIL thing on this planet. So given THAT severity of the sin, a true Catholic would probably ask why the CIRCUMSTANCES in any way lessened the blow.

    The sin is (so they say) killing a “kid.” EVERY Catholic I knew would ask, is the “kid” somehow less human because he came about via rape? AGAIN, this is a sickening line of thought I don’t personally agree with, but the faith I grew up in ABSOLUTELY TAUGHT that if a woman is raped, TOO BAD, that’s how it goes, you’re ON THE HOOK to raise that rapist’s child for all of your life, because life is so precious and that CHILD’S life is innocent.

    Was no one else raised this way? I resent all of it and I HATE KIDS, but everyone in my former faith would say, the “fetus” didn’t pick and choose the circumstances of its creation, and once it is brought into being, abortion of ANY embryo is absolutely as bad as wandering onto a 4th grade playground and murdering any other child.

  53. StellaPD says:

    I was born and raised Catholic and attended Catholic school from grades K-8, but I don’t remember what if anything was said about abortion during that time. Attending mass in high school, that’s when I remember hearing priests talk abortion.

    A very significant percentage of Catholics are pro-choice and support abortion rights for women who have been raped. And it’s not a question of honesty. I’m sure those candidates are very sincere. I just find it appalling and insane. Forcing a rape victim to carry and deliver a child because of your religious beliefs? Bonkers.

    The abortion viewpoint in the GOP has changed over time, partly because of the way religious conservatives took over the party. In the 1980s Republicans were more pro-choice than Democrats. The fact that so many of these politicians want to subject the rest of us to their religious views, that’s frightening.

  54. Christian says:

    Angry White Dude POWER.

  55. Lex says:

    “I was born and raised Catholic and attended Catholic school from grades K-8, but I don’t remember what if anything was said about abortion during that time”

    Really? What years are we talking? I’m long since lapsed as a Catholic, but distinctly remember it being presented that abortion was THE worst thing on this planet; To this day I know if I told my family I a) murdered 40 people with an Uzi b) knocked up a girl and she decided to abort it (GOOD IDEA), that B would ABSOLUTELY be the one thing that would get me or any “serious” Catholic disowned and disavowed.

    I was also taught that sex is the ULTIMATE ACT OF EVIL outside of marriage, so maybe I was raised in one of those particularly crazy cult-like sects. But I never spoke to, touched, or interacted with a girl like til age 17, because I was taught that women are “whores” outside of their wifely duties as procreaters.

  56. StellaPD says:

    Let’s see that would have been like 1984 through 1993. I’m not saying abortion wasn’t talked about in religion class or church. I just don’t remember it. I wasn’t exactly playing close attention all the time.

  57. dummy says:

    So basically all post1972 SCOTUS rulings are on the table. Let’s kill Sony Doctrine, end piracy forever. If ending abortion is as simple as voting Romney, this should be easy

    Save DVD

  58. christian says:

    “Why are extreme pro-lifers so skittish about their own beliefs? This is a bill that would give a fertilized egg “all the legal and constitutional attributes and privileges of personhood.” There are (a) no exceptions for eggs fertilized by rapists or by your own father, and (b) Paul Ryan is a cosponsor. Logic chopping aside, this means that Ryan has cosponsored a bill that has the plain intent of “effecting” a policy that allows states to ban abortion with no exceptions for rape or incest.

    In fact, if this bill were passed and the Supreme Court upheld it, I’ll bet that a rapist could go to court and sue to prevent his victim from getting an abortion. He’d argue that the fetus was legally a human being, and the court has no power to discriminate between one human being and another. He’d probably win, too.”

    http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/08/pro-lifers-should-stop-being-so-skittish-about-their-own-beliefs

  59. christian says:

    Nothing more awesome than men who don’t have to worry about a penis being shoved into them repeatedly lecturing women on how mean and silly they are!

  60. Pete B. says:

    They have to worry about that if they go to prison.

  61. Heisenberg says:

    I for one welcome our mutant and rape baby underlings because maybe then we’ll FINALLY be able to compete with Chinese and Mexican wages.

    Also to note, Ringling Bros. (an AMERICAN company) should fare well from the decision, so I don’t really see what all this supposed controversy is about. If women would rather be known as “people,” rather than JOB CREATORS, well, I’m sure they could just as easily find a husband in COMMUNIST CHINA!

  62. christian says:

    “They have to worry about that if they go to prison.”

    Which is why we need to overhaul our American prison gulags as well.

  63. dummy says:

    @Christian

    I’m pro-choice. I don’t pretend the law should dictate a female’s individual autonomy. I don’t think a vote for Romney is a vote against that autonomy; I imagine we disagree on that. I think I have plenty of good reasons to believe what I do. If it turns out I’m wrong, I will readily work to defend/protect that autonomy.

    Thanks for your condescending, patronizing candor. Don’t forget to vote.

  64. christian says:

    “If it turns out I’m wrong, I will readily work to defend/protect that autonomy.”

    So you’ll deny reality and promises because Romney will be so awesome otherwise and you really don’t believe what he or Paul Ryan or what the GOP’s own platform states. Comforting.

  65. StellaPD says:

    So dummy are you one of the people (like David Frum) who believes Mitt is really a moderate and has only been pretending to be more conservative in order to appease the GOP? Despite the very conservative nature of the Republican members of congress (and their desire to overturn Roe v. Wade), he won’t take any actions whatsoever to attempt to impose severe restrictions on abortion?

  66. christian says:

    Who wouldn’t trust the man who believes black folk are cursed and he’s going to be a God in his own universe with multiple wives?

  67. Don R. Lewis says:

    I almost agree with some of what Lex and Monco are trying to say but bulldog made the best point above that not only counters what those points may (or even may not) be when he said:
    “At the end of the day, if you forget about Obama and just focus on Mitt Romney himself, ask yourself, what does he believe? What is his core values? What do you think Mitt will die for? What about Mitt inspires you to want to do better for your country?”

    This is the issue to me that’s made me the most passionate about this election. No one knows what Romney wants except “to be President.” I’m not even sure Romney knows. And that video DP posted the other day proved it; people don’t know what Obama has done that sucks, (I know what he’s done, he’s far from perfect) and to just vote against your better interests along party lines is unpatriotic and just plain dumb.

    I can accept that there’s a division in this country and that Romney/Ryan supporters want a conservative. But the record shows Romney is NOT that. The things he’s pulled, if pulled by Obama (paying no taxes for 13 years, verifiably being in a religious cult, earning money off the bailout he opposed, signing gun control legislation in Massachusetts, destroying jobs through Bain Capital) would be VILIFIED by the people on the right. This year though, head in the sand, get the uppity negroes out, let the rich asshole white guy win.

  68. anghus says:

    I went to catholic school for 12 years. I don’t remember much about specific abortion conversations, but I remember the pledge of allegiance always ended with the addendum “with liberty and justice for all…. Born and unborn”

  69. christian says:

    “with liberty and justice for all…. Born and unborn”

    Then when the rape baby is born – tough shit, kid, you’re on your own with your deadbeat mom.

  70. Bulldog68 says:

    I also being raised Christian was taught that abortion in all circumstances was wrong, rape, life of the mother, and any other permutation.

    The issue is not whether its wrong or right however, to me it’s always been about choice. Does one sector of society have the right to dictate to other entities, it’s values. Why is it they can argue about freedoms for unlimited gun ownership and military spending and yet preach that government should have their hand up every woman’s vagina.

    They want limited government involvement in education, disaster relief, poverty relief, and every program that seeks to help those who need some assistance, but somehow think that wealthy individuals need to pay less into the system, and oh…let’s start a few more wars, buy a few more battleships, to win this muscle flexing contest with the rest of the world.

    You don’t even have to go back very far to see that it doesn’t work, look at the Bush years, and Romney’s advisers are Bush cronies who made some of the worst economic and wartime decisions in the history of the world. If they had that kind of a ‘success’ record working at McDonalds, not only would they be fired, they could not work in the restaurant industry ever again, because they fed the public food poisoning for eight years.

    Is that what America wants to return to? Seriously?

  71. storymark says:

    “Didn’t happen under Reagan or W. Bush, both of whom were more “conservative.””

    Looks like Lex doesn’t quite grok the difference between a fiscal and social conservative.

  72. storymark says:

    Rashad – “Why exactly? If you truly believed deep down that the other side is wrong, and misguided, why would you help them achieve something you and your constituents don’t want?”

    That bullshit logic flies out the window the second they start opposing bills they themselves authored – just because it might look like a victory for Obama if they pass.

  73. tbunny says:

    Remarkable fact: Romney apparently hasn’t done a press interview in more than three weeks. He talked to Chris Berman yesterday about sports or something, but that’s it.

  74. dummy says:

    @storymark

    So George W. Bush was a fiscal conservative?

  75. storymark says:

    Lex: “Is it really the Obama way for most of the above left-leaning commenters to be THIS ANGRY?”

    Its a direct response to the rank stupidity and bald-faced lies continually streamed from the right, and bufoons such as yourself.

  76. Ryan says:

    Let’s entertain the argument that Roe will be overturned under a GOP president. Does anyone really think that states are going to start prosecuting women for murder if they decide to get an illegal abortion in state or go outside the state to do so? It will never happen, and would immediately change the dynamics of how people view abortion in the first place.

  77. dummy says:

    Got it, I’m an idiot for believing Romney doesn’t have the political leverage to accomplish something no president has or will.

  78. Don R. Lewis says:

    dummy-
    as was asked earlier (and ad nauseum everywhere) what ideas and policies do you like that Romney has offered that differ from Obama? Seriously. Anything?

  79. StellaPD says:

    “Does anyone really think that states are going to start prosecuting women for murder if they decide to get an illegal abortion in state or go outside the state to do so?”

    I can easily see that happening in states like Kansas or Mississippi.

  80. storymark says:

    Ryan – I might agree with you if places like Mississippi weren’t a thing.

  81. storymark says:

    “Got it, I’m an idiot for believing Romney doesn’t have the political leverage to accomplish something no president has or will.”

    Well, not JUST for that.

    Don’s last post cuts to the heart of it.

  82. FilmBuffRich says:

    It strikes me that the various “Personhood Amendments” almost seem to be mirrors of China’s “One Child” policies, where both effectively nationalized women’s vaginas to the will of the State.

    How’s the solicalist now?

  83. Ryan says:

    I live in Iowa, my brother lives in Kansas, and I have some life experience with an extremely conservative Baptist church.

    I’ve been around a lot of people who openly talk about demons among us, and think we’re days away from the reckoning involving the beasts emerging from the seas to reign for 42 years with only 144,000 people with marks on their head being saved from eternal damnation (Revelations-it gets much scarier!).

    I’ve asked these types of people similar questions about sending people to jail for abortion, and the answer inevitably comes down to either “They shouldn’t be sent to jail because they’re already going to burn in hell”, or a blank stare. People don’t want to think about the idea that they’re going to openly be sending their neighbors and family members to jail. Abortion is a big secret in this country-everyone wants to talk about it in public with their opinions, but nobody really wants to talk about who is actually doing it, or deal with the fact that they know someone who has had one (whether they think they do or not).

    Maybe getting another severe conservative on the court and challenging Roe again would bring about a discussion that actually values intellectual discussion over constantly repeated accusations of ‘baby killer’ vs. ‘women’s rights hater’.

    And maybe I’m naive in thinking that sometimes the American public is capable of understanding and debating a complex issue without resorting to shouting matches and one-liners.

    I find it funny that politicians always tell people in speeches that the other side is trying to fool them, and that other side is dead wrong in thinking they can pull one over on the American people, while said politicians is in the middle of some speech trying to do the same thing. It seems pretty obvious that since nobody wants to talk about in a rational manner, you can bring it up as a fringe issue constantly and get people fired up enough to vote.

    The real question is, why were people shocked that politicians like Murdouch and Akin said the things that they said? That’s mostly what people who follow the Bible to the letter believe, which is a lot of Christians. When you think that your life is affected on a day to day basis by God, when you think that God answers prayers, and when you think that everything happens under Gods plan, why is it far fetched to think that you would believe rape is one of those things. I think it’s easy to forget that there are a lot more of those people out there than we’re willing to believe/admit. That’s why people like Akin and Murdouch are as close as they are to winning higher office.

  84. StellaPD says:

    I don’t think the American public has proved that it is capable of having reasonable, mature discussions when it comes to abortion Ryan. And despite your anecdotal evidence, I still don’t find it hard to believe that states like Kansas and Mississippi would love to try and criminalize abortion. Each tried to completely eradicate clinics providing abortions from the entire state. I can see a governor like Sam Brownback relishing the chance to sign a bill criminalizing abortion.

    And Akin and Murdouch are going to lose races they were expected to win because of what they said about abortion, even if it’s not all that surprising.

  85. Lex says:

    Ryan: GOOD POST. Said better than I could.

    I mean, consider the rest of yourselves lucky you were not raised around EXTREME religion… This is a side issue, but I always wonder if many (any?) “film geeks,” bloggers, or critics grew up in STAUNCHLY CONSERVATIVE homes. I guess the odds are against it, but I rarely hear a voice on a MOVIE site where the person actually seems to have any of that in their background.

    On one hand, I guess people who were attracted to the arts generally come from some MICHAEL GROSS IN FAMILY TIES type “whatever man” parents out of the Ed Begley George McGovern mold… On the other hand, I can’t even CONCEIVE of what it’s like to have liberal parents, or liberal family members over, say, age 40.

    Like, do you guys’ PARENTS also vote Democrat? That just blows my MIND, the concept of an old white dude being cool with liberal policies. 100% of my life experience is that all adults in my life would consider it a SIN to vote for Obama or any pro-choice candidate.

    Honestly, I have family members who ONLY CARE that a candidate is ANTI-ABORTION and anti gay rights. Mitt could be lighting off farts and selling us to the Chinese and setting up internment camps for redheads and coffee drinkers, but as long as he’s pro-life, that’s THE ONLY ISSUE that Catholics care about. That and banning gay people.

  86. StellaPD says:

    My parents are moderates who have voted GOP before but have voted Democrat lately. They aren’t much concerned with social issues. My wife’s mother is a single-issue voter: abortion. Her parents are both staunch conservatives.

  87. Ryan says:

    Stella-Brownback has been rebuked by the courts for his efforts. And although he would love to do anything to prevent it, it’s doubtful that he is going to want to criminalize it and send women to jail. Your contention is that public opinion wouldn’t shift the first time Brownback and his cronies tried to send a mother to jail for having an abortion when it was endangering her own life? Would that reframe the debate for anyone in your mind?

    You also don’t really get the side of the “American people” when it comes to the abortion debate-you get the extremists on both sides shouting from the hills-the American public hasn’t really had much of a chance to have their say. People like William Saletan, with pragmatic and logical approaches, are generally ignored because their voices aren’t the loudest. He has written extensively on the issue over at Slate.

    You could also argue that if you want the American public to have a real voice in the debate, you could send it back to every state and have them vote on it individually. But nobody wants to allow for the fact that in some cases, a majority of the people in some states might vote to criminalize it. Even if Akin and Murdouch both lose (the latter is still up in the air), they’re still getting a lot of votes, meaning a lot of people agree with them.

  88. palmtree says:

    “When you think that your life is affected on a day to day basis by God, when you think that God answers prayers, and when you think that everything happens under Gods plan, why is it far fetched to think that you would believe rape is one of those things.”

    Because that kind of logic could be used to justify EVERYTHING…in other words, it’s utter insanity.

    I mean, Obama became President in 2008, so that means God wanted him to be President, which means that you have to vote for Obama. Right?

    The fact that such stupid reasoning is still allowed in public discourse (and believed by so many voters) scares me, and I don’t care if you’re Republican, Democrat, Independent…if you have any thinking capacity at all it should scare you too.

  89. StellaPD says:

    Sure a lot of people agree with Akin and Mourdock and they will get a lot of votes, but those were not supposed to be close races. They were supposed to be easy wins in both cases. In most cases I would agree with you, that the extremists drown out everyone else. When it comes to abortion I’m not so sure. Or maybe it’s that a lot of people are afraid to bring it up period because of how emotional it is.

    What I’m saying re: Brownback/Kansas & Mississippi is that I do not have a hard time believing that those states would like to criminalize abortion. I’m not saying it’s a sure thing. I’m not saying the courts wouldn’t rebuke them. But I don’t find it far-fetched to claim that there are states that would relish the chance to criminalize abortion, at least in cases where the life of the mother was not at risk and rape/incest wasn’t involved. And isn’t it possible that someone like Brownback might not want to send a woman to jail, but would feel differently about the abortion provider?

  90. christian says:

    “Does anyone really think that states are going to start prosecuting women for murder if they decide to get an illegal abortion in state or go outside the state to do so? ”

    Uh yes. Because that’s what they want to happen to those raped women, sluts and prostitutes they regularly refer to as “baby killers.”

    But if it’s a war, KILL ‘EM ALL AND LET GOD SORT IT OUT.

    Of course, it’d be nice to have a woman here speak up but the misogyny repeatedly celebrated here (and at HE) might have something to do with not trusting folks like lex, rashad, monco, ryan, dummy, etc. If I was a woman, I’d be scared shitless. And voting for clowns like Romney and Ryan because “hey, it couldn’t happen here…” is the weakest defense imaginable.

    Of course, the most important endorsement is from Lemmy of Motorhead:

    Interviewer: When I interviewed Chuck (Berry), I mentioned the segregated venues he used to play in the South when he was younger. He teared up and recalled, “My dad said, ‘I don’t know if we’ll live to see it but one day we will [have an African-American President] – and I thank God that I have.”

    Lemmy: I would have said America wasn’t ready for it. And I don’t think they were, because they’re trying to drag him down now. I mean, the poor fucker’s only just gotten rid of all that George Bush shit that he left, or is trying to. And he’s being stonewalled by the fucking Congress all the time. I don’t know how he’s gotten anything done. They should be glad. I mean the alternative is Mitt Romney. Please, please don’t vote for Mitt Romney. Fuck him. Repeal abortion law is the first thing he’ll do. Fucking monster.

  91. Ryan says:

    Palmtree-that could mean that Obama became President because somehow it caused him to be strengthen the GOP in the long run. I’m not defending it-you’re right-it can apply any way you want it to, but people make it work for them.

    Mourdock and Akin haven’t lost yet-we’ll see tonight.

    Stella-I would agree with you that a lot of people are afraid to talk about it, but who wants to embark on a discussion on a subject when you always have someone arguing both sides at the top of their lungs? It’s easier to ignore it, and show your opinion at the polls.

    It’s surprising that Mitt Romney gets away with the logic that the federal government shouldn’t have anything to do with healthcare, but can determine whether or not you can be pregnant. Just seeing Eric Cantor on tv makes me imagine him standing outside of Planned Parenthood with a pair of handcuffs.

  92. Ryan says:

    Christian-you’re proving my point about nobody wanting to talk about it because they get labeled. You’re throwing me in with an argument I’m not making just for saying “By the way, not everyone agrees with you”.

  93. christian says:

    No, you tried to make the logical fallacy of “Do you really believe X would do Y?” without pointing out that THE GOP IS TRYING TO BAN ALL ABORTION.

    And sorry if I don’t just shrug and say, “hey you have your point of view about punishing a woman who was gang-raped.”

    NOBODY likes the idea of abortion. Especially the women who have to do it. I’m all for discussion of these issues, but i’m not the one who thinks a woman is going to hell or should be legally punished for an act that wouldn’t happen without a FUCKING MAN.

    When Romney/Ryan/GOP come up with how the sperm-bearer should be punished, I’m all ears.

  94. christian says:

    Oh, and there’s NO WAY these voting machines could EVER change an Obama vote to a Romney vote. How paranoid!

    “Update: Reports have confirmed that the Pennsylvania voting machine in question has been taken out of commission.

    Multiple states across the country have tried to preempt voter fraud this election cycle. Largely driven by Republican legislators, these preventative measures have been decried as attempts at voter suppression, specifically of groups who tend to vote Democrat. Now, a video posted by a Pennsylvania voter threatens to not only prove the existence of voter fraud, but expose it as a direct Republican Party ploy for more Romney/Ryan votes.”

    http://blogs.seattletimes.com/uwelectioneye/2012/11/06/possible-voter-fraud-in-pennsylvania/

  95. Ryan says:

    Did I ever say that women should go to hell? Don’t remember mentioning anything about gang rape either. And outlawing abortion is nto the same thing as trying someone for murder, especially a woman who already has a child. And most GOP members wouldn’t even outlaw it in all cases.

    So, the logical fallacy is???

  96. Lex says:

    Dave Mustaine endorses Romney.

    Megadeth > Motorhead.

  97. christian says:

    I’m talking about the millions of folks that DO think that — and you’re trying to say it just couldn’t happen. Based on what?

    And what Republicans HATE to answer is “What is the penalty for outlawing abortion?” Making something ILLEGAL requires a societal penance, yes? If you don’t think folks like Ryan and Limbaugh would send women to jail if given the druthers, you are not operating in reality.

    MegaDumb:

    Megadeth frontman Dave Mustaine revealed his “birther” opinions on a Canadian talk show recently, saying he doubts President Barack Obama was born in the United States and voicing admiration for Republican presidential hopeful Rick Santorum.

    Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/dave-mustaine-reveals-birther-opinions-20120328

  98. Rashad says:

    It’s amazing that people get so angry over abortion, but things like assassinating an American citizen, or the NDAA go unnoticed. Remember when the left cared about The Patriot Act?

    Where is the Lincoln review from Poland?

  99. palmtree says:

    “…people make it work for them.”

    That’s exactly the problem. The “God’s will” argument should NOT WORK FOR ANYONE.

  100. KMS says:

    Movie News my ass.

  101. KMS says:

    Besides, you’re preaching to the choir or a few random readers who wouldn’t change their minds based on your spiel anyway. So why exactly DO you continue to write posts like these? Why not just post a pic of you with Obama’s penis in your mouth on the front page and be done with it? At least it would be more forthright.

  102. palmtree says:

    Yeah, David, how dare you use your own blog that you personally run to make statements you believe in! I’m offended!

  103. Don R. Lewis says:

    Anyone who wants an “informed” opinion of abortion should have to watch Tony Kaye’s LAKE OF FIRE. It’s a brilliant and upsetting doc that looks at the hard questions BOTH sides are afraid to broach.

    I also totally believe that people think end of days is coming. And as much as I try to stay out of whacky conspiracy theories, I was starting to believe Bush was trying to lead us INTO them by starting a holy war.

  104. christian says:

    “Why not just post a pic of you with Obama’s penis in your mouth on the front page and be done with it?”

    Townhall and FOX await your joy.

  105. tbunny says:

    “People like William Saletan, with pragmatic and logical approaches”

    Ok, I checked out right there.

  106. christian says:

    William Friedkin just announced he’s in talks with Paramount about SORCERER. A great night ahead…

  107. LYT says:

    Megadeth better than Motorhead? Not in decades.

    Mustaine – reformed alcoholic kicked out of Metallica turned insane Christian, whose last big moment in the sun was doing a crappy alternate entrance theme for Bill Goldberg in World Championship Wrestling – one that Goldberg hated.

    Lemmy – crazy drunk with a voice like a chainsaw and weird facial tumors who collects WWI German memorabilia and looks like he could take a chair to the face and stay standing.

    I could accept a case for Kid Rock, but not Mustaine, who hasn’t been good since Countdown to Extinction.

  108. bulldog68 says:

    Calling it for Obama at 6:51 PST. Bank it.

  109. dummy says:

    It’s an Obama win, congrats. Roe v Wade lives.

  110. christian says:

    The FOX News desk actually laughed at Karl Rove when he said the election wasn’t over yet. The best victory of all.

  111. hcat says:

    Welcome KMS, complaining about politics on a movie site while having never posted until it was about politics.

    And Megadeth was always weak, never as good as Metallica and Anthrax, and can’t hold a candle to Motorhead who almost singlehandily created the subgenre.

  112. christian says:

    “We can’t let this happen. We should march on Washington and stop this travesty. Our nation is totally divided!” – Donald Trump

    Somewhere that gay teen Romney held down to chop his hair off is laughing his ass off. Shame on the GOP for running this revolting hater.

  113. Rashad says:

    Romney is a multi-millionaire, who’s in his 60s but looks like he’ in his 40s. He has half a dozen kids, and semi-decent old wife, and doesn’t have to worry about the stress of the White House. I’m sure he’s not worried what some gay teen from 45 years ago thinks of him.

  114. Joe Leydon says:

    Well, actually that gay teen is several years dead. Of course, that could mean that he’s closer to God than Mitt ever will be.

  115. christian says:

    Rashad, you really are…paralogically ignorant. Soul wise to boot.

  116. Pete B. says:

    “Well, actually that gay teen is several years dead. Of course, that could mean that he’s closer to God than Mitt ever will be.”

    Not if you believe the Old Testament.

  117. Ryan says:

    So, Akin and Mourdock lose, and the lesson to be learned is…? I would say that maybe the American people can decide for themselves when one of the extreme sides is taking their religious beliefs too far. Although white women still supported Akin more than McCaskill. So, can we conclude that when given the chance, the simple majority at least believe that excluding rape/incest is something they don’t believe in (since the argument has already been made here that those comments changed the election landscape)? And that maybe these same people would also not think it’s correct to prosecute a woman for an abortion?

  118. Ryan says:

    And what’s wrong with William Saletan? Why is it wrong to start talking about abortion in terms of saying that we should do what we can through promotion of sex education/pro-birth control to prevent people from having to make the choice in the first place? I’m all for a woman’s right to choose, but I don’t think that doing all we can to help prevent women from having to make that decision is wrong.

  119. StellaPD says:

    Rove on Fox News last night was hilarious and sad. Here was a man who led an organization that spent hundreds of millions of dollars trying to defeat the president desperately and foolishly attempting to insist it wasn’t over. And what a vindication for Nate Silver and the polls. Looks like they were right after all.

  120. christian says:

    And so many in the MSM were disastrously wrong, especially the “liberal” hacks at MSNBC: Chuck Todd, David Gregory, Andrea Mitchell….

  121. bulldog68 says:

    What were they wrong about Christian? Every conservative analysis was ignoring the electoral college and harping on the Gallup and Rasmussen polls that tout popular vote and they all predicted a Romney win. Dick Morris predicted a Romney landslide.

    Almost everyone else, EVERYONE ELSE, was saying that while there was a possibility that Obama could lose the popular vote, (which he didn’t), the electoral map was always in his favor and that his path to the presidency was an easier one.

    So please explain to me Christian, how MSM was “disastrously wrong?”

  122. Ryan says:

    The same liberal hacks who all along were saying that Obama would win, the Senate would remain Democratic and the House remain GOP? The same ones who called Wisconsin, Missouri and Indiana correctly? Those were probably the same crazy people that thought Hurricane Sandy might actually cause some damage. Crazy liberals…

  123. storymark says:

    Where were the media misleading? – They kept pretending it was a close race, when in fact, as you yourself point out – Romney never really had much of a chance.

  124. bulldog68 says:

    Christian, I scrolled up and reread some of your post, so I think you were being sarcastic. Man, tone really does not come through on posts sometimes.

  125. hcat says:

    “Why is it wrong to start talking about abortion in terms of saying that we should do what we can through promotion of sex education/pro-birth control to prevent people from having to make the choice in the first place”

    Because the people that are anti-choice are also anti-birth control, anti-sex ed. They will claim that birth control pills are actually abortions, that anything that interferes with a viable egg is murder, and that life actually begins when someone is a twinkle in their momma’s eye.

    And the reason is that to these people Sex is evil and sinful and removing the risk of pregnancy as a deterrent leads to more people having it. That child is not a choice but a punishment for your filthy filthy ways.

  126. Ryan says:

    So we can’t even start the conversation? There are a lot of people out there that don’t necessarily like the idea of abortions but still support a woman’s right to choose.
    Why do we pretend that all women who get abortions are thrilled that they’re getting them, or glad that they can exercise their ‘right as a woman’ by having one?

    It’s those people that get upset by the “Women’s rights hater” argument, because they don’t hate women’s rights-they’re not comfortable with the fact that their religous beliefs are against abortion, and they don’t think the government should have a say in it at all.

  127. hcat says:

    Who on the left pretends that women who get abortions are thrilled? Who on the left or in the middle is refusing to hear strategies to limit the number of unplanned pregnancies?

    I don’t understand whom you are starting this conversation with? The life begins with conception crowd? The people who don’t want kids to be vaccinated with HPV because if a women gets cancer as a result of something transmitted through sex is a great I told you so?

    I am not getting the sides that you think are coming together to work on the issue (though I do agree that if all the money that was being used to attack/defend Roe on all levels was instead used to prevent pregnancies Abortion would be heavily curtailed).

    But how is the government outlawing or restricting something not having a say in it. The government has a say in absolutly everything, every corner of your life, unless it is expressly prohibited not to be. That is what Roe does, removes the government’s say in abortion. All the things that whittle away at Roe means MORE government intrusion.

    And for what its worth, the guy who defeated Mourdock is also firmly anti-choice.

  128. christian says:

    I was not being sarcastic and as a regular viewer of MSNBC, it was non-stop, “TIGHT RACE!” even when Obama was 6 points ahead in Ohio and 10 points in Pennsylvania.

    Andrea Mitchell was seriously putting out the hilarity that if Romney wins Penn it’s all over for Obama. That was yesterday morning.

    Chuck Todd repeatedly claimed there was a Dem “Enthusiasm Gap” among the young and latinos. Guess what? More turnout than 2008.

    David Gregory today actually said that NOBODY could have predicted the electoral map — except Nate Silver did.

    The media ran a horserace for ratings and campaign bucks. They are a disaster.

  129. Js Partisan says:

    Yeah, the media completely and blatantly obfuscated during this entire cycle. Nate Silver and Obama’s team knew had the electoral map down at the beginning of the year, but we get sold a bullshit story about MITTMENTUM and other shit that never happened for the last six months by our media. What’s even more infuriating is moments where Brian Williams says, “Did anyone have a map like this?” As if Nate Silver didn’t have that map up there for months. When the polls and results are this similar, it’s time our media gets it’s head out of it’s ass and embraces fucking math.

  130. StellaPD says:

    “Nate Silver says this is a 73.6 percent chance that the president is going to win? Nobody in that campaign thinks they have a 73 percent chance — they think they have a 50.1 percent chance of winning. And you talk to the Romney people, it’s the same thing,” Scarborough said. “Both sides understand that it is close, and it could go either way. And anybody that thinks that this race is anything but a tossup right now is such an ideologue, they should be kept away from typewriters, computers, laptops and microphones for the next 10 days, because they’re jokes.”

    Has Joe Scarborough eaten his crow yet today?

  131. christian says:

    Joe was somber as autumn this morning.

  132. hcat says:

    For the next election, I am going to need to invent an app for my television that modifies all voices to sound like a famous baseball announcers. For all the timefilling nonsense I sat through in the last few months it would be much more appealing if it was reported by Harry Caray.

  133. Don R. Lewis says:

    Ryan is right about starting a conversation on abortion. This Nation needs to have a conversation on several things and not screaming matches from the safety of our chosen pundit’s TV show. We need to talk about race and homosexuality too in an even tempered manner, trying to get our own side heard while fairly listening to the other.

    The right generated so much cynicism and hate and it came flooding out last night with some insanity on social media that revealed how far we have NOT come. I had a facebook friend make reference to the “half white pop culture prick and his piece of shit wife and kids” last night. That kind of shit needs to be addressed.

    The “informed” and educated also need to stop looking down on rural conservatives. It’s not healthy and conducive to talking or communicating.

    I’m glad this all went the way it did- 4 years of hate and lies were shown the door. That Karl Rove Fox news things was the icing on the cake and proves how big a victory this is. Dude’s never, ever lost before and he got a pie in the kisser.

  134. christian says:

    I grew up in Ohio and Wyoming and South Carolina — I am not one of the Jeff Wells phony liberals who revel in their “elitism” and disdain for the “flyover states.” But I know many of them and they are truly living in a different era, usually due to religious considerations. But the bigotry is there, it’s deep and it’s real. Time will take care of their problems.

    Oh and it exists on the Left too. See Wells, Jeff.

  135. Don R. Lewis says:

    I think time will make the problems stay the same. That stuff gets passed down, it’s not engrained. The lack of opportunity and education for low income “flyover states” is by design so the right can keep their base fearful and angry.

  136. christian says:

    The next generation of young Republicans don’t have the same animus towards gays and other social issues like weed….

  137. hcat says:

    …or race, if we are talking Republicans in their teens and twenties.

    And if you are willing to jump onto third rails, get some rural and urban people together to discuss Gun Control. If there was ever something that required a much needed solution and was hindered by shouting matches.

  138. Bulldog68 says:

    Joe said this back in April however, “Nobody thinks Romney is going to win. Can we just say this for everybody at home? I have yet to meet a person in the Republican establishment that thinks Mitt Romney is going to win the general election this year. They won’t say it on TV because they’ve got to go on TV, and they don’t want people writing them nasty emails. I obviously don’t care. I have yet to meet anybody in the Republican establishment that worked for George W. Bush, that works in the Republican Congress, that worked for Ronald Reagan that thinks Mitt Romney is going to win the general election.”

    Guess he should have stuck to his gut.

  139. Ryan says:

    “Who on the left pretends that women who get abortions are thrilled? Who on the left or in the middle is refusing to hear strategies to limit the number of unplanned pregnancies?”

    Start a discussion with any adamant pro-choice person with “I believe abortion is immoral, but I think it should be allowed”. You’ll get the phone book on your opinion is ignorant, why you are a backwards thinker, etc.

  140. StellaPD says:

    You have abortion discussions with adamant pro-choicers often Ryan? I mean I’m pretty adamantly pro-choice but would never mercilessly berate someone for believing that abortion is immoral but should be legal.

  141. hcat says:

    I have volunteered as an escort outside clinics in DC assisting patients into the building past the people screaming ‘babykiller.’ Of all the people that I volunteered with and all of my friends in the area were adamately pro-choice. I can’t think of any of them that would jump down someones throat for saying “well it’s not for me, but I think it should remain legal and accessible to everyone.” That’s the actual definition of choice!

    And your post was about birth control, are you suggesting that there are people on the left that do not see the need for greater sex ed and access to birth control because ‘hey, we still have abortion, people can just do that.’

  142. hcat says:

    And I know I am ‘giving you the phone book’ right now, but this is not that you have a wrong opinion, I just am having trouble with your reasoning behind it.

    I agree that it is possible to be of the opinion that abortion in immoral but should still be legal because that may not be everyone’s view (hell, even Mitt agrees that its fine to have that opinion, or he did at one point). But you seem to be under the impression that the Pro-Life crowd feels the same. That they can see the reason that one person’s religion should not trump anothers. That morality cannot be legislated. I just don’t see that to be the case.

  143. christian says:

    When the GOP stop acting as if women are demons needing to be tamed by God and Paul Ryan, they’ll get more votes. Acknowledge the pain and suffering of victims before instantly fobbing off rape as “another form of conception.” Boot racists like Trump and so many others to the curb instead of winking and inviting them aboard your campaign. Stop letting blowhard bigots like Limbaugh define the cruel nasty heartlessness he epitomizes. Try a Jon Huntsman in the future.

  144. Js Partisan says:

    The GOP also have to come up with some economic policies that aren’t stupid. Grover’s stupid ass and everything he believes in, austerity, and their fanaticism about balancing the budget above all else, are dangerous economic policies to have for this or any other country.

  145. Ryan says:

    How many candidates do you hear saying “We need to not focus on whether or abortion is right or wrong-we need to focus on how to provide more education and prevention measures so we don’t get there”? It’s certainly not in the campaign commercials-those are all ‘Candidate X wants to destroy the sanctity of God given life’ vs. ‘Candidate X wants to stand in the room while you go to your OBGYN.’ We have the “Baby Killers” vs. the jidahists involved in the “War on Women”. Maybe we’re seeing different campaign commercials.

    This election demonstrated that there are a lot of people out there who may not want to have shouting matches about abortion, but who have a belief system that supports choice. Yet we let politicians get away with focusing most on the religious aspects of everything. Is it hard for you to believe that people don’t want everyone to know their opinions on abortion because of their religion? A lot of middle of the road people get left out of the discussion because they feel alienated by the extremists on both sides (this isn’t just an issue with abortion obviously).

    But you see the population taken as a whole is generally pretty moderate-those are the types of people I’m talking about who need to be have a stronger voice. The politicians who feel that way now generally stay out of the issue because it’s toxic, or say that it’s a states govt./courts issue.

  146. Pete B. says:

    The one item that seems never to get considered by the people who are against all abortions is okay – you kept this fetus alive – now what kind of life will it have? It’s like ‘yay, we closed down the abortion clinic, we can all go home now’. What magic pill did these pregnant women swallow that will make them all great mothers?

    My wife worked several years with sexually abused children, and in many cases these were children who were unwanted, unprepared for, and in some really sad situations – an afterthought.

    I guess what those extreme Pro-life people forget is – sometimes with the life these children may face, abortion would have been more merciful.

  147. StellaPD says:

    Good points Pete. Reminds me of a story I read a few weeks back concerning a poll of U.S. Catholics. “60 percent of Catholics want a greater focus on social justice issues rather than abortion.” http://news.yahoo.com/catholics-want-more-focus-poverty-abortion-survey-171515912.html

  148. Krillian says:

    “I guess what those extreme Pro-life people forget is – sometimes with the life these children may face, abortion would have been more merciful.”

    That makes abortion sound like a mercy killing.

  149. hcat says:

    ‘Yet we let politicians get away with focusing most on the religious aspects of everything’

    The politicians that focus on the religious aspects of everything do so on the demands of their constituients, otherwise they wouldn’t have been elected. They are voting for Christian warriors that will storm the capital. You are looking for a reasonability that I don’t believe is there.

    And the politician that you are pining for is Hilary with her ‘safe, legal, accesible, and rare’ speech. All of what you are saying has been tried before and the olive branches have been sent and rebuffed.

    Now i agree that middle of the road people get steamrolled in political arguements, but I think you painting both sides of this with the same brush as a little extreme. That the war on women crowd are somehow political extremsits villifying the other side, when in fact they are facing a historical high level of anti-abortion legislation, not to mention mandatory invasive ultrasounds with a screen of the fetus shoved in their faces to get their Supreme Court guarenteed rights.

    The left did not pull this War on Women slogan out of midair, this was a response to legislation that followed the Tea Party’s wins in 10. That is what allowed the left to add the narrative to the election, not simply the fact that they needed a distraction from the economy.

  150. Ryan says:

    So as politicians, those that represent their constituents are doing their jobs, no? The fact is that they don’t represent enough people to do Roe any damage.

    I’m talking about the 49 million people who let Mitt Romney beat around the bush on the issue when his VP is knocking down the doors of Congress to outlaw all abortions. Certainly all 49 million people were not pro-life.

  151. Ryan says:

    Back to movies-did anyone see ‘Flight’? I thought Denzel was really good, but Kelly Reilly kind of stole the first part of the movie. (SPOILERS follow)

    It was, however, very difficult to believe that her heroin-addiction junkie character turned her life around overnight by going to an AA meeting.

    Having some time in the program, I would say that most people don’t take to AA their first time, and the rate of success in the first few weeks of being sober when you’re around someone who is constantly using isn’t great. At least they showed that she needed to leave him in order to keep herself sober.

  152. hcat says:

    Well it depends if you think requiring women to have an invasive probe to get an abortion is damaging to Roe. Or requiring that Doctors give them misinformation about abortion, or requiring multiple visits before the procedure, waiting periods or any number of hurdles the right legislates. The right does have the numbers to get people elected to damage Roe, that is what they have been doing for the past two years.

    And no not all who voted for Romney are pro-life, people vote for a variety of reasons, but based on the behavior of the people who got elected in 10 and the rash of new legislation that hit immediatly afterward the left wanted to point out that the right runs on new jobs but when elected goes straight to abortion bans.

    I am getting very confused speaking with you, first you say ‘Yet we let politicians get away with focusing most on the religious aspects of everything’ and you say they are only doing what they are elected to do.

    I am not even sure what exaclty you are getting at, that the left needs to reach out to pro-choice republicans? They do that but unless they are single issue voters they still often go with a small government anti in the hope the noone will effectivly challenge Roe. And any conversation about more sex education, greater access to birth control etc. gets shut down by the right because ‘why should the taxpayers pay for other people’s promiscuity?’

  153. hcat says:

    I remember being very smitten with Kerry Reilly after seeing her in The Spanish Apartment, was glad when she popped up again in Sherlock. She’s one of those lovely young women who seem to make an impression and then drop off the face of the earth for awhile like Abby Cornish or Romola Garai.

  154. christian says:

    “The fact is that they don’t represent enough people to do Roe any damage.”

    Which is an idea you’re solely basing on faith.

  155. leahnz says:

    good grief. these threads are both fascinating and stupefying.

    “Start a discussion with any adamant pro-choice person with “I believe abortion is immoral, but I think it should be allowed”. You’ll get the phone book on your opinion is ignorant, why you are a backwards thinker, etc.”

    actually i think it’s that absurd statement that makes you an ignorant, backwards thinker.

  156. leahnz says:

    thanks christian, i’m usually around reading and lurking as much as i can. the hotblog is funny, like a soap opera – you can miss chunks but when you come back the story is pretty much the same.

  157. Ryan says:

    “actually i think it’s that absurd statement that makes you an ignorant, backwards thinker.”

    We obviously don’t live in the same place, and thanks for dismissing everything I’ve said based on one sentence. Obviously that makes your opinion qualfied and enlightened, compared with my backwards, absurd notions.

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So I decided on three writers that I might be able to option their material and get some producer, or myself as producer, and then get some writer to do a screenplay on it, and maybe make a movie.

And so the three projects were “Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep,” “Naked Lunch” and a collection of Bukowski. Which, in 1975, forget it — I mean, that was nuts. Hollywood would not touch any of that, but I was looking for something commercial, and I thought that all of these things were coming.

There would be no Blade Runner if there was no Ray Bradbury. I couldn’t find Philip K. Dick. His agent didn’t even know where he was. And so I gave up.

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So at my girlfriend Barbara Hershey’s urging — I was with her at that moment — she said, “Talk to him! That guy really wants to talk to you,” and I said “No, fuck him,” and keep walking.

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