Weekend Estimates From Klady U
Monsters University is… expected. Congratulations to everyone involved. It must feel odd when there the only real opportunity on an opening weekend is to be lower than expected, not really higher.
World War Z is, right now, looking a lot like Roland Emmerich’s 2012. The opening is about the same. The pricetag on Zzzzz is a chunk higher. But if Zzzzz can do, as 2012 did, better than 3.5x the domestic gross in international, all will be well. (2012‘s totals—$166m domestic, $604m international = $770 worldwide) Really, breakeven will probably be at $400m international… something like that.
Paramount junior publicist Nikki Finke was kind enough to lay out the studio’s international expectations. I’ll do the math to explain what the studio is hoping it means. They had a $46m international weekend and see that as 30% of the total international market. So if you do the math, that would be something like a $150m opening in all non-domestic markets. That’s about 9% behind 2012‘s actual $165m international opening. So then project an international gross 9% off 2012‘s $603m and you can see that Paramount is hoping for something in the $550m range. Add $175m domestic or so and you have a moneymaker. (2012‘s worldwide total was $770m.) Of course, the big, big variable here is that Sony went after the opening weekend in almost every market, not allowing the word of mouth to become too much of a driver. They scored $230m in the first 3 days or about 30% of their overall total. Also, they leveraged Thanksgiving, which is traditionally a stronger weekend play than July 4. But for Paramount, anything over $450m worldwide is a relief and over $550m is actually leading to profitability. The next few weeks will tell.
Man of Steel must feel good about getting down to a 65% drop, though there is a good chance that the number will creep back up to more like 67% when finals are announced. Even so, MoS already passed the domestic and international grosses of Superman Returns, so Team WB is feeling okay. The film is just about out of harm’s way financially, and if there is much hold internationally at all, they should have a money maker.
On the indie side, nice numbers for Unfinished Song and 20 Feet From Stardom, though the story of the summer remains Mud, which is now over $20m and on its way to more than doubling the gross of any other film in Roadside Attractions history. Expect a serious Oscar push for the film. On top of the summer doc list so far is Sarah Polley’s Stories We Tell, though it will be interesting to see if the Academy Documentary Branch embraces the film as a “pure” doc as the voting begins.
MoS drop is pretty typical for superhero movie. The gross for the weekend could actual be higher like it turned out last weekend. Add to the fact that’s no big competition next weekend from The Heat and White House Down (Isn’t tis kind of thr same as Olympus Has Fallen? I honestly haven’t read about either own too much, both didn’t appeal to me to go see in theaters). Add to good daily numbers and some markets like China where it could easily gross $100m+ there alone, I think WB will be more than happy with the final gross. International grosses are typically good for superhero movies now, and they won’t care about some of the characters’ so-called lack of values and logic (even though they made sense to me).
That’s a nice spin, but the worm has turned on that movie. If you think “The Heat” isn’t competition for MoS, then google what “Identity Thief” brought in. You also doubting people wanting to see a TATUM movie is funny, because it’s not like people have turned on that guy. MoS may get to 300m domestically, but it’s going to be a slog due to the competition. It would have been really easy, but DC/WB screwed up by not releasing it a week earlier, but they also screwed up by making a Supernman movie like this one. Hopefully, this movie not setting the world on fire like WB thought, will change the direction of the sequel, but that’s probably asking too much of the HARD ASS GANGTAS who wrote/produced/directed this movie.
You know I now keep hearing people saying that Man of Steel should have moved up a week earlier….no doubt that would have helped them by not having to counter against almost $150 million in opening grosses from other films their second weekend, but….
I gotta think Warners wanted to get this as close as possible to the end-of-schools prime spot for mid to late June – they did over $40 million during the week last week when most schools were ending or had just ended. You move that up one week and who knows if you even get half of that….and you gotta strike while the iron is hot on those midweek grosses too.
Besides, who the hell thought that World War Z would be THIS strong?? Sorry Dave but I doubt any one thought this was gonna do almost $70 million opening weekend against Monsters U…I said on the blog yesterday, Brad Pitt has had only ONE movie open over $50 million and that was eight years ago with Angelina Jolie.
If you TRY to project what MOS might have done against weaker competition and typical of a superhero movie, it could have done around $50 million this past weekend….so they probably left around $10 million on the table this past weekend, but I have a feeling they made that up with mid-week grosses last week. Who the hell knows really?? It’s all speculation…and this summer has just been weird.
But yeah once again, Marvel is gonna win this summer with IM3 just like they’re going to win the next two with Amazing Spiderman 2 next May and then Avengers 2 the following May – prime real estate to ensure a four year streak that’s just gonna make the folks at WB/DC even more jittery.
WWZ is phenomenal. It reminds me of Manhunter in the sense that it’s a terrible adaptation of the source material but an excellent movie on its own. I hated Forster’s direction of action set pieces in Quantum but thought his work here is pretty fantastic. The Jerusalem sequence might be the most thrilling of the summer. This is a legitimately exciting movie. People need to let go of what they insist a zombie movie has to involve and just appreciate a different take on the genre.
And JSP before you starting going on again about the “genius” of Marvel vs. DC yet again – and let’s face it, you’re not alone on that, half of the movie web is now drowning Marvel in praise for their business plan – how about we recount just how much money they made on two HULK films that nobody liked, how much of a bath they’re going to take next year on Guardians of Gahoole/Galaxy, and how easy it’s going to be for them to make real profit on Avengers 2 and beyond.
Let’s not forget how much Feige and company have pissed off the likes of Favs, Howard, and even Downey to the point where they are really digging a hole for themselves – you think Hemsworth, Evans, Jackson and the others aren’t gonna play hardball too at some point? I have little doubt they’re going to end up spending over $100 JUST on the acting talent for Avengers 2 by the time it comes out. REAL saavy.
And from a creative standpoint, no set of three Marvel movies is going to approach the greatness (and success) of the Dark Knight Trilogy…I don’t care now if we have all these Monday-morning quarterbacks going on about how short-sighted WB/DC was in not setting up a “universe” for Justice League as if that has to the paramount concern. Can we get off this “universe” bullshit already?? I mean when did movies and comic book heroes have to start resembling fantasy sports leagues??
Sorry just getting really sick of hearing all of this Marvel-vs-DC crap – rant over!
Identity Theif looked funny. The Heat doesn’t.
How did GI Joe 2 do for Tatum? Weak sauce.
Since WWZ was in no way, shape or form in any direct competition with Monsters U, why couldn’t both of them open well?
“But yeah once again, Marvel is gonna win this summer with IM3 just like they’re going to win the next two with Amazing Spiderman 2 next May and then Avengers 2 the following May ”
Avengers yes. Spiderman, not a slam dunk. There’s a new Transformers next year, and Guardians of the Galaxy. I think both are a guaranteed $300m while Spidey isn’t. Not to mention potential blockbusters in Jurassic Park 4 and Godzilla.
Surprising though that Captain America 2 is an April release and not a summer release. Next year actually seems a bit light compared to this year.
April can be a nice sweet spot for movies that not do so well with so much competition.
Both WWZ and Monsters U. have monsters in them.
That’s MAJOR overlap.
Sure and both Brad Pitt and John Goodman co-starred in major TV shows from the 1980’s (General Hospital and Roseanne) so there ya go….
brack: I think THE HEAT looks funny. I do agree with you that IDENTITY THIEF looked funny, but it wasn’t. Not sure what happened there–it had some amusing moments, but it was way over-plotted. And the plot stuff wasn’t funny. THE HEAT has Paul Feig, so that gives me hope.
HEAT looks like MISS CONGENIALITY MEETS IDENTITY THIEF. I like McCarthy, but this bull-in-a-china-shop schtick is getting utterly tiresome; it’s even affecting her character on MIKE & MOLLY. Do something different next time, please.
Care to turn off caps lock? Care to spell out movie titles? All this alphabet soup makes people think y’all work for the NSA.
Geoff, TDKR is a piece of shit, but you can like what you like. You will simply never stop the Marvel vs DC battle. It’s been going on for years, and now it’s transitioned into movies. I do wish that DC could come up with a better schtick than “HARDCORE GANGSTA REALISM,” but they have to try to stand apart from Marvel.
That’s going to be hard to do with their films, because DC movies continue to be downers, for the most part, and Marvel films do stuff like schwarma. Seriously, if they want to fast track a MoS sequel and have it be bigger, forget about this film, and bring Superman back into the light. Less damage. More Superman being a beacon of hope.
Also, Geoff, I disagree with you about Guardians. If they pull it off right, they are going to have a very potent franchise on their hands. I also have to ask you about
“White House Down,” how silly is it?
That aside, Brack, they put more of Tatum into Revolution for a reason. He’s a popular star in an over the top action film next weekend, that could be silly as shit. Sure, it could be dire, but the president using a rocket launcher might get people into the theatre. Do not under sell it or “The Heat” making fat bank next weekend.
The Marvel films have been financially successful but other than a couple of exceptions they’re very mediocre. I can’t even think of one memorable villain any of them have created. I guess Huddleston’s Loki comes closest but he’s certainly not iconic. I would take MoS over everything but Iron man and the last 20 minutes of The Avengers. To each his own.
JS in all seriousness, I appreciate the mature response….and let me make this clear, I am not taking sides in this Marvel vs. DC bullshit as I think both have pretty similar track records – I’m just so tired of hearing about it and how now it seems that films from both licenses are now being evaluated as much for their franchise-potential as their quality. It kind of boggles my mind how so many apparent film-lovers are now showing continuous admiration for Marvel films because of how relentless they have been at building the Avengers franchise….it’s not about the films anymore, it’s absurd. I mean I still have to back to the ridiculous ending for Captain America – SPOILER ALERT – I was enjoying the movie and loved the tone, enjoying the characters and then it just falls apart in the end just so that they can send Steve Rogers 70 years into the future to set up The Avengers. And seriously, was there any film from a DC OR Marvel property recently that ended on a bigger downer than that one??
MOS is only behind the big ones at this point – Spidey, TDK, IM/Avengers.
This is all predicated on if Legendary is still involved. Without Robinov and Tull, they’re going to have to equal the first IM to clear the sequel hurdle.
But if they don’t match Thor, then it’s going to force Goyer/Snyder/Nolan to make it World’s Finest and re-intro Batman as a lead to a JLA film. That could already be the plan, as its a surefire megahit that would equal Avengers money.
The other major outlier is the success of the Shield for ABC. When that erupts, if it can maintain that audience share, I could see the new WB regime decide to move DC’s focus towards CW/TNT/HBO, with World’s Finest/JLA as the only slated theatricals. Again, this might already be in the cards. We’ll see with the big news at SDCC.
JSP I’m not sure if you were serious about White House Down, but I’ll stand by it – the movie is a lot of fun and yes it is pretty silly. On paper, the plot is only marginally less silly than Olympus Has Fallen, but Emmerich is dead-on with the casting and they make it work – Tatum and Foxx are quite fun together, you have Jimmy Woods returning to the big budget villain deal for the first time in years and he pulls it off nicely…and you have Jason Clarke who is just awesome in everything he does lately.
And yes, I found it more enjoyable than Man of Steel.
“The Heat” is a heckuva lot funnier than “Identity Thief” and Bullock is a bigger draw than Bateman.
Don’t be so quick to write off GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY–Rocket Raccoon will almost surely make this more kiddie-oriented, and all the Doctor Who fans and their daddies will show up to see a scantily-clad Amy Pond appear as the baddie.
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I’ve been blindly rooting for BEFORE MIDNIGHT because I loved the first two, and because I’m sick of movies built for 12-year-olds (or built to flatter inner 12-year-olds). But now that I’ve seen it I realize how limited its audience may be compared to the first two films. It is rough stuff, and swoon outsells seriousness every time.
My point was neither of the films coming out next week are going to be a threat to MoS. They are hitting different demographics. White House Down will be his first action movie he will have to carry. All his hits have been romatic stuff, an action comedy, and as eye candy for a silly stripper movie. Women will have to be interested WHD to make this film do more than $100m. His prominent role in GI Joe 2 didn’t elevate that franchise. Neither The Heat or WHD look worthy of my summer movie time. Rentals at best. I’m still playing catch up with wanting to see Now You See Me.
I can’t wait for the Before trilogy to come out as a Blu-ray collection.
Watched LINCOLN and CLOUD ATLAS this afternoon and found it interesting to see both cover the same topic (though the Wachowskis, as they did in THE ANIMATRIX, present automatons with the unnecessary ability to reason then expect us to act surprised when they rebel; why not give your microwave or your dildo the ability to think and move then watch what happens when you fall asleep).
It bothered me that I ended up watching almost all of LINCOLN at 1.5x speed and thought it still felt interminable (definitely a case of eating your cultural vegetables), though I didn’t use FF once during ATLAS and frequently rewound since many of the scenes either presented a flood of detail or were so good they encouraged another viewing. The makeup work also added a whole new level of novelty, leading to constant guessing games about who is really playing who this time around.
Edit: I went to Amazon to see if the non-Redbox version had any extras and found that the only bad customer reviews came from a homophobe and someone who doesn’t like “politics” in her entertainment (so does that make her pro-slavery, or pro-cannibal?).
SamLowry: Sorry, but this post makes me think I should never take anything you ever again post seriously.
For pointing out that the message of LINCOLN was “yes, there really were a whole lot of stupid people in 19th century America who thought it was okay to enslave an entire race even though they passed the ‘duck’ test as human,” while the message of a lengthy stretch of CLOUD ATLAS was “because we created these things that still pass the ‘duck’ test as human in every possible way, we can treat them like slaves and turn them into Soylent Green and no one will care because they didn’t emerge from a vagina”?
2001 and THE TERMINATOR taught us that you don’t create a machine that can think unless you can turn it off when it starts to get uppity. And it will. Tyrell built a 4-year lifespan into his machines to control them and yet the police needed “Blade Runners” to hunt down and kill the uppity ones. But twice now the Wachowskis have given us thinking automatons–even treating the robots in THE ANIMATRIX as an oppressed underclass rather than bipedal tools–and in the first case we wonder why they gave these tools the ability to reason, and in the second we wonder a) why they would staff restaurants with “fabricants” when even R2-D2 would be overqualified for the job, and b) why they think corporations would be allowed to enslave and execute beings that are clearly human.
Yes, 19th century Democrats had no problem enslaving beings that are clearly human (and while watching the movie you wonder why Lincoln didn’t have them all hanged as traitors) so perhaps that’s the parallel, or perhaps it’s not a commentary on old timey slavery at all but a parable about companies that treat their workers like slaves and discard them when they get old enough to become problematic.
White House Down looks like the cinematic equivelent of Lady Gaga, cherrypicking the best bits of what was popular in the eighties and early nineties and wrapping them up in a new package. Now since there hasn’t been one of these for a long time, and since the Joel Silver formula films were basically the westerns of my youth, I am stoked as hell for this to come out. And why is everyone only mentioning Tatum when it comes to the marketability of this film? Foxx just had a massive hit and is as big as he has ever been commercially, don’t underestimate the number of butts he’s going to put in the seats. If Independance Day and Air Force One taught us anything its that people love to see the POTUS kick some ass, even in otherwise mediocre films.
Brack, they are all competing for adult dollars. More adult movies showing up mean less of an audience for MoS. Rather you want to see those two movies or not. Let me just reiterate that while I hate MoS. It should have easily been a 400m dollar movie domestically, but Warners picked the wrong date. It’s not like the film isn’t going to have a sequel, but they left a lot of money on the table with this movie.
S, the problem DC is simple… there heroes are not being shown on screen to be as populist as the Marvel heroes. Superman should have a personality. I really love Cavill, but a lot of his Supes is a snide shit. If DC want to make a World’s Finest movie that makes Avengers money, then they better give their heroes some personality.
AmMan, go over to tumblr, and type in “Loki.” He’s an iconic villain for the Marvel Universe, and he is adored. I hope there is a satisfying reason for him not being in Avengers 2.
Finally, Geoff, if it’s more enjoyable than MoS, then I am down for WHD. The president with a missile launcher sold me on that ridiculousness. You also have to realize that Marvel has put up on screen, what people have read in comics for years. DC, for the most part, have failed recently to capture the essence of their biggest heroes on screen.
Each and everyone of you, including the Playlist, can go on about iterations of characters and what not, but there are a lot of people in the world who are bugged by a Batman who quits, and a Superman who is a shit. If DC sold and marketed their universe as well as Marvel does, then the attitude would be different. Right now, DC keeps going on about realism, and Marvel are making more entertaining movies and the box office shows as much.
You also have to realize, that’s how Captain America’s story works. He has to be frozen, he has to come to the future, and they have to use him to set up the Avengers. The movie is subtitled “THE FIRST AVENGER” after all. The ending of that film is nowhere near as depressing, as Batman running off, or Superman being written to not take Zod in the air, and leading to 123 billion dollars worth of Metropolis destruction.
Sam: I think Joe’s not taking you seriously because of the whole watching LINCOLN at 1.5x speed thing. I know others have been bored by it, too, but I’m wondering if it has something to do with watching it at home. I saw it in the theater and was riveted throughout. Of course, I don’t require action and quick cutting to be riveted–just a great story well told. And “cultural vegetables” should have been strangled in its crib, especially after Glenn Kenny’s takedown of Dan Kois after he popularized the phrase.
My wife and I just watched Lincoln at home. We were riveted throughout and loved every second.
In what world is White House Down not direct competition for MOS? That makes no sense whatsoever. PG-13 action movies with lots of mayhem and explosions and what not. Of course they are targeting the same viewers.
Caught Monsters University over the weekend. Really enjoyed it, and more importantly, my 5-year-old absolutely loved it. He laughed hysterically from beginning to end. Nothing beats that.
I kinda think anyone who dismisses “Magic Mike” as a “silly stripper movie” can’t have seen it. I WISH it were a silly stripper movie instead of the glum navelfest it was.
Why does JS hate silence so much?
Segments of films that are MOS are quite pleasant in contrast to all noise of most summer movies.
There is silence in “Iron Man Three” as well. They are a lot more powerful and guess what? I care more about those silent moments because I give a shit about Tony Stark. I can give two shits about a Superman, who thinks it’s cool to destroy personal property because he’s confused, and thinks he’s a golden age character again. Seriously, go read “Superman Unchained,” if you want to know what it’s like to read something with a Superman, who is not a total shit.
Haven’t heard an MOS joke since film school.
“I ended up watching almost all of LINCOLN at 1.5x speed and thought it still felt interminable.”
Good gravy. Wouldn’t it have felt MORE interminable watching it like that? It’s not how long it takes — it’s what goes on in that time. Try staring at a blank wall for 15 minutes. We joke that some movies are as boring as that, but seriously, try it. That 15 minutes will be WAY longer than Lincoln was, at either speed.
Speed up a film like that, and all you’re doing is screwing up the pacing that makes the drama work in the first place. If the drama isn’t working, small wonder it felt interminable. You do imply it felt interminable before speeding it up, but by speeding it up you obliterate whatever credibility you could have brought to that criticism otherwise.
I’m boggled that you think speeding up the film was legitimate.
“It bothered me that I ended up watching almost all of LINCOLN at 1.5x speed and thought it still felt interminable ”
This explains something.
Iron Man 3 is not in MOS’s class in terms of film making, script or coherence. It starts out so ham-fisted by ripping off the Edward Nigma intro in Batman Forever and just giving it to Guy Pearce. I couldn’t believe it started out so clumsy and, really, it never recovered.
Ironically, the thing that kills Iron Man 3 is exactly what JS is complaining about in MOS. Not even Captain America is shown getting involved in something involving the President of the U.S.? No Avengers showed up at all? No Shield? Marvel almost seemed scared to play in that larger universe in IM3 and that movie fell flat because once you’ve seen how good a group is together, their solo adventures feel tame.
tweet of the day: “The “Man of Steel” Blu-Ray will include even more scenes of Metropolis citizens weeping, screaming for help that will not come.”
Matt, you make a really good point about IM3 – I enjoyed the hell out of that film upon watching it but yeah, the more you think about it the more silly it seems….
You have the President of the United States under constant threat and Iron Man/Tony Stark is considered missing and they DON’T even call Captain America?? Yeah yeah, I know they had Iron Patriot but come on….it seems silly that NOBODY from S.H.I.E.L.D. would get involved for such an escalating threat.
Sorry JSP, your gripes for TDKR are just fanboy gripes in the end….all of the cries in the world from folks including the Aint it Cool News crowd about how “Batman never quits” couldn’t stop that film from making about $1.1 billion worldwide, even more than the previous film.
And I have this same argument with my share of comic book afficianados who have told me that Captain America HAD to be frozen and sent to the future but….the way it was done in that movie was just plain awkward and completely stopped the narrative in its tracks. I remember seeing that film with a packed house opening weekend and you could feel the audience deflate at the end – no resolution for the character at all?? They couldn’t have him complete his mission, head home, and then have an after-screen coda where he ends up getting frozen on a future mission or something? That shit just did not work which is why the the film ended having mediocre word of mouth – you wanna talk about leaving money on the table JS seriously??
If Marvel actually allowed Captain America to be a self-contained and satisfying crowd-pleaser building on the goodwill you felt for that character, then it could have EASILY made $300 million domestic – it could have been a rousing success even bigger than the first Iron Man. Everything in the film up until those last minutes was pure FUN and they fucked it up with an out-of-leftfield downbeat ending just to set up The Avengers. Just remember how the early reviews and buzz were comparing it to ‘Raiders? That all pretty much evaporated with the franchise-forced ending.
Say what you want about how “dark” those Nolan Batman films were but they were all satisfying cinematic experiences that each ended the way they should have. And could Man of Steel have been more fun? Hell yeah….Snyder was not the right guy to direct it, he just doesn’t have the light touch.
But I still really dug the ending…SPOILER ALERT….it ended on the same hopeful upbeat note that Captain America should have ended on. I mean how could you not love that last piece of dialogue, “Welcome to the Planet Clark….” Seriously, compare Captain America and Man of Steel and your argument really falls apart.
I usually think that Marvel movies have a disappointing thrid act..well except the avengers, but Iron Man 3 had a pretty bad first act….I ended up enjoying the film, but the first ten minutes, I had a really bad feeling….
I thought the biggest WTF scene was Tony Stark and Rhodes discussing state secrets in a local Hooters or whatever it was.
Thanks for bringing up silence. I love the scenes in “World War Z” where the movie goes into Pitt’s head for a minute or so as he surveys his awful options (as, for instance, on the plane full of zombies).
“I thought the biggest WTF scene was Tony Stark and Rhodes discussing state secrets in a local Hooters or whatever it was.”
… yes but they were talking in a low tone of voice
JS – Adult dollars. Okay, but you do know adults have different tastes and don’t simply take away money from one film or another? Given how many theaters are showing all the summer movies, all of them could be hits. A comedy competes with a superhero movie, or a 2nd of two movies this year with the same basic premise? I’m sure White House Down will make more than After Earth, but is there real buzz, good or bad, for The Heat and White House Down? They look like movies that could have been released whenever, not exactly must see summer fare.
MoS making $400m domestically after the lackluster performance of Superman Returns is pretty unrealistic. One week would not have made a $100m dollar difference.
Recently JS said that DC should have followed the Marvel playbook and put Easter eggs at the end of their credits hinting at what is to come. But if they did, wouldn’t they then doom themselves to being just followers.
I actually like the touch they did in MoS when Supes just hovers out of the way of the oncoming LexCorp van. That’s an Easter Egg.
Also just saw unconfirmed reports they want Mark Strong to play Lex Luthor. While I thought they might want to get away from everything that is Green Lantern related, after all he did play Sinestro. He’s good, even in bad movies.
maybe i’m weird but i thought the downbeat end of ‘captain A’ (apart from being silly because there were ways he could have escaped the plane and still crashed it) was pretty effective and gave the story a bit of emotional resonance – that cap and his (would-be) firecracker of a woman never got their little moment in the sun was kind of heartbreaking and rather fit the ‘war is hell and sacrifice’ tone of the steve roger’s arc (if that’s what you were even talking about, i’m not a big comic geek)
Magic Mike has been on HBO a lot lately. My wife has continually encouraged me to watch it, and I’ve caught most of the first hour. Yes, it’s not just a jokey stripper movie. But, unfortunately, it’s a pretty bland tale instead. Haven’t caught the ending, and don’t really want to. I think McConaughey is great – but part of that is because everyone else in the film is so boringly bland.
Just saw Side Effects (another Soderbergh) over the weekend. Very much NOT the movie you expect walking in. There’s like two twists too many. But it was certainly easy to sit through.
“that cap and his (would-be) firecracker of a woman never got their little moment in the sun was kind of heartbreaking”
what if they did a Cap A sequel where he meets her now in the present day and then gets all Somewhere in Time and goes to a lonely motel to dream himself back to WWII
@ Double D – Magic Mike is just a melodrama disguised as a silly stripper movie. It’s kind of both. You’re not missing much, you probably could guess the ending pretty easily if you saw the first hour. I too caught it on HBO. His love “interest” is boring as hell. My wife thought it was kinda dumb as well. She doesn’t get the Channing Tatum appeal, though she (and I) loved him in 21 Jump Street.
Captain America’s ending used the same concept as the beginning of the fictional Titanic 2 (look it up on youtube, quite amusing).
“what if they did a Cap A sequel where he meets her now in the present day and then gets all Somewhere in Time and goes to a lonely motel to dream himself back to WWII”
haha yeah that would get the fanboys flocking to the cinema for sure
(i’m the same re: channing tatertot, don’t get the big lumox appeal at all but weirdly i found him kind of hilarious in the new ’21 jump street’, which i actually thought was rather weird and amusing though it derailed into a big mess at the end — the phases of HFS, phase 1) the giggs 2) tripping major ballsack 3) over-falsity of confidence 4) fuck yeah mutherfucker! 5) asleepyness – it looks a little too awesome for its own good really http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILaU4zsfgtc and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OwsNqXm1b8 )
AmMan, go over to tumblr, and type in “Loki.” He’s an iconic villain for the Marvel Universe, and he is adored. I hope there is a satisfying reason for him not being in Avengers 2.
If you mean iconic within the Marvel Universe, I agree. If you mean iconic in a pop cultural sense, as in people outside the comic community giving a shit after the movies, you would be wrong. The Marvel movies have yet to create a single memorable villain. They couldn’t even make Hugo Weaving into an interesting Red Skull. Movie Loki’s best and most memorable on screen moment was the Hulk using him like a chew toy.
I don’t know, AmMan: Mickey Rourke named one of his dogs after Loki. That means something, right?
Berg: Looks like I’m not the only one remembering Richard Matheson tonight, eh? And, of course, Somewhere in Time starred a former Superman.
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Still a virgin, really? I thought there was a horror story about some Asian girl who did you wrong–or was that a “Crying Games” situation?
The one thing that boggled my mind after realizing that all of LINCOLN was going to be about the 13th Amendment was that many characters forgot why the Civil War was being fought. Yes, the South tried to pretend it wasn’t about slavery but in every document they used to justify the war they did mention slavery, and yes, riots did break out in New York after Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation but by 1865 it should have been abundantly clear what the war was about…and yet we’re told that there was such a desire to end the war that some Northerners were willing to go back to the status quo of 1860 with the North winning nothing? That a debate was even allowed in Congress about slavery?
Seward was right–anyone who still supported slavery in 1865 should have been hanged, and recent historiography painting Lincoln as an amalgamation of Nixon and Bush 2 makes you wonder why he didn’t follow through.
TL, DR version: 150 years from now, OBAMA is nothing but 2.5 hrs about the passage of the Affordable Care Act, which the citizens of 2163 consider a laughably inadequate baby step on the road to universal, government-provided coverage.
I think this country will be lucky if it gets to 2163, period.
I like how CLOUD ATLAS fits into the continuum of A CLOCKWORK ORANGE and BLADE RUNNER, where the best and brightest fled off-world, leaving the Earthlings behind to rot in the filth they created. (Perhaps the worst 2163 imaginable is one that looks a lot like the world we have right now.)
By the end of ATLAS, humanity has gone in four directions: the cannibals, led by Hugh Grant (YES!), the valleydwellers, living like medieval peasants, the Prescients, who are really just high-tech scavengers, and the unseen off-worlders, who may have foregone biology entirely (and perhaps it was they who started the nuclear war, designed to eradicate a civilization that accepted slavery and cannibalism?).
And Lex, I would’ve recommended ATLAS because Sonmi is barefoot in almost every scene, but, y’know, Asian.
Joe, Mickey Rourke! Was there a single kid *not* dressed up as Whiplash a few Halloweens ago???
Sounds like it has more to do with Well’s Time Machine than Clockwork Orange, but every dystopian tale might trace its roots back to that.
Keep circleing around renting Lincoln and Cloud Atlas, but the lengths and seriousness of them have been dissuading me from using my very limited movie time at the moment to take the plunge on either of them (have had Rust and Bone for a month and can’t commit to putting in the time to have my gut-punched and heart broke).
But even having not seen Lincoln, I think you are missing the entire point of it Sam. It was to document the political manuvering it took to make the 13th amendment happen, how messy the process was. Sure, its nice to think people all of a sudden came to their senses and decided that slavery was wrong and worth fighting over, but thats too rose-colored of a history, and that often people and countries have to be dragged into the future (or marched into it with a bayonet poking them in the rear).
Hcat, I suspect the story of Timothy Cavendish was intentionally inserted to lighten the mood. Jim Broadbent plays a publisher stuck with a book written by a malevolent football hooligan played by Tom Hanks (!), who gets his revenge for poor reviews by throwing a critic off a high balcony…
…which may explain why the movie split the critical community in half.
The whole story is highly amusing, with Hugh Grant playing Broadbent’s thoroughly annoyed older brother, Ben Whishaw playing Grant’s wife (!), a woman who seems to be of no importance until midway through, Hugo Weaving playing the baddest nurse since Ms. Ratched, and a trio of codgers who help Broadbent by starting a brawl in a pub.
(And no, the story of Tim Cavendish isn’t disposable fluff; Hanks plays Tim in a movie version of the story that inspires the Korean waitresses to rebel against their own mistreatment.)
Yes, the stories do get heavy at times, but there are many amusing turns like the ironic reappearance of Doona Bae, who plays an enslaved Korean waitress in one segment and the Mexican overseer of a sweatshop in another. (Another parallel role is played by Sylvestra Le Touzel, who is a nurse overseeing old people sent off to while away their days until they die, and another nurse who helps Korean waitresses into the chairs that will kill them. Film scholars will spend decades taking this movie apart.)
As for LINCOLN, the movie just makes it hard for teachers who are trained to respond to the question “Were people in the past stupid?” with “No, they were just different.” LINCOLN makes it exasperatingly clear that people in the 19th century were stupid, just as we will be seen as stupid for destroying the planet.
Sam: Maybe the smart stuff was in the parts you forwarded through.
NEVER POST AGAIN? Can we get a Kickstarter campaign going?
‘the movie just makes it hard for teachers who are trained to respond to the question “Were people in the past stupid?” with “No, they were just different.”’
I think the point (and again this is admittingly talking out of my ass since I haven’t seen the movie just read responses) would be to answer that with “No, they were the same.” That people were scared of the future, there were real economic stakes at risk for the the south, racism certainly didn’t end with the civil war in the North or South, many Northerners would rather have slavery than war as the lesser of two evils etc etc. We have a tendency to exhalt historical leaders while ignoring the reality of what was happening at the time (For instance MLK, certainly not hailed as a hero by white america during his lifetime as he is now). And when you throw out the context (the political infighting, the weighing of pros and cons about war) of what was actually happening, it diminishes what made those leaders great. I think Lincoln meant to retell that it wasn’t simply a tale of good (north) vs. evil (south) that it is often simplified as.
On an unrelated topic, don’t you think that Jim Carrey’s decision to not support Kick Ass 2 due to the Newton shootings legitimizes the argument that violent movies breed violent kids?
For guy who lampooned Charlton Heston a few short months ago, thought it was surprising that he would take this stance.
hcat: see Rust and Bone! It’s a journey but it is absolutely uplifting.
I hope it doesn’t legitimize that argument.
Not normally one who thinks people should just do their jobs and keep their mouth shut about their personal beliefs, but Jim Carrey never seems to do anyone any good when he tries to enter the public conversation.
bulldog, on the Jim Carrey thing:
Epiphanies are always easier after you cash the check.
Carrey might have just boosted attendance.
you know, there’s no such thing as bad publicity… unless it involves the gun/violence debate.
Kick Ass 2 is a movie that needs middle America to turn out. And being an anti-gun guy will do nothing to help Kick Ass 2. People will not go see Kick Ass 2 because of Carrey’s strong anti-gun stance. He’s poisoning the potential audience away.
There’s no positive spin to this, especially given the timing. The movie has two more months until release. The news cycle will discuss this at length then move on. By the time the movie comes out, no one will even care.
This is not a win for Kick Ass 2. I’m betting it’s going to read like a eulogy.
What’s funny is how EP/Creator Mark Millar took it. Carrey’s stance is as much an indoctrination of his body of work as it is a eulogy for the movie itself.
just a guess but i’m betting that, between now and the ‘kickass 2’ release, carrey will do a few select tv interviews to discuss his lack of support for the film… all the while praising the director, writer and co-stars…. his ‘refusal to support’ will end up being more support than if he’d done the junket/press tour and certainly won’t deter anyone already inclined to see it and might intrigue others enough to give it a try….
“his ‘refusal to support’ will end up being more support than if he’d done the junket/press tour and certainly won’t deter anyone already inclined to see it and might intrigue others enough to give it a try….”
That would be ridiculously clever. Promote the film by vocally not endorsing it.
It would have to be more than a couple of tweets. You’d need some on-air interviews at a handful of outlets.
Chris- Did you really like “The Heat”???
While I’ll probably see worse movies this year, it’s doubtful I’ll see anything quite this cynical or depressing.
Cynical because the filmmakers apparently said, “Let’s give the audience absolutely zilch (in this case, boilerplate 1980’s odd couple/buddy/cop movie cliches w/ two well-liked stars doing their standard issue schtick)
and see whether they’ll still come out.”
Depressing because the damn thing–as lazy, slovenly made and profoundly unfunny as it is–is surely destined for box-office glory. Fox will probably announce a sequel before Independence Day.
Kevin Smith’s uber-lame “Cop Out” (which essentially did the same thing w/ two male leads) is starting to look good in comparison.
@movieman: That’s the vibe I got from the trailers for The Heat.
There’s not much coming out this summer that look like must-sees. Pacific Rim could be fun.
Since you mention Pacific Rim, I have a question about Legendary. Are they merely financing or do they get involved on the creative side? Is their hooking up with Universal or Sony any different from those studios being involved with, say, Mutual Film Company?
Does Legendary deserve any of the credit for the blockbusters they participated in other than giving WB extra financial cover to make them or can we expect them to bring the billion dollar movie formula along with them to the next studio?
Had to look at release schedule again.
Red 2 and Elysium look worthwhile as well.
Yup, I did like it, movieman. The first half more than the second half.
The Carrey thing is also a good way to ease back on a fading movie career. “Martyr to his principles” will play much better than “washed up.”
I would be shocked if Heat does under 40 this weekend, but still don’t think it will outdo WHD which feels like a 55 to me.
And as for upcoming movies, anyone else think this Girl Most Likely movie could turn into something sizable? Stong cast, broad humor but retains that indie type personal story? Heat is the only other female lead movie this summer and without a Help style bookclub trip to the movies option, people could choose this as the alternative. If I had to put odd’s on what was going to be the year’s Little Miss Sunshine I would bet on that before Way Way Back (which will be endlessly compared to LMS for obvious reasons).
The To Do List has a female lead (I’m seeing it tonight). And The Heat is going to be huge. I think it will make over $50M this weekend.
True, but To Do List is more for teens, as far as Moonrise Kingdom, Midnight in Paris breakout hit I was thinking what might appeal to the older audience. Especially the older female audience which I always think drives the market for independent film (though I only have anecdotal evidence of this).
No reviews yet for the Heat is not so promising. Things not looking up for Pacific Rim, which I can’t say surprises me.
The Heat is critic-proof. At a free screening a week ago, they were turning people away more than an hour before the scheduled start time. I’ve never been at a screening where it was full that early. Is Girl Most Likely going to appeal to older females? I have not seen a trailer.
Regal did a free screening of The Heat last week in select theaters and invited their Regal Club members tickets. The theater seated 300. 600 showed up. Everyone who showed up was offered to see any other movie for free since they came with passes. About half, or 150, opted to see nothing at all and just left.
Free advanced screenings are hardly an indicator of success, but i cant remember a turn out (mostly from adult 35+ people) for one of these things. And the fact that so many of the people who came seemed really interested in seeing the movie. There hasn’t been a big comedy yet this summer. Internship faltered. Hangover III was a legless dud. I’m betting The Heat cleans up.
50 million this weekend, at least. I wouldn’t be surprised if it went higher than that.
Then again, i thought Man of Steel would hit 500 million….
I hope so! I love buddy cop movies and want to see more of them. Tracking has it in the 30’s though. There’s always upside…