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There HAS To Be Something Else To Talk About, No?

Come on… let’s move past Sin City… we can do it…

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46 Responses to “There HAS To Be Something Else To Talk About, No?”

  1. jesse says:

    Hey, is anyone else pretty surprised on the not-that-bad-to-actually-good word on both Sahara and Fever Pitch? OK, it’s a little more muted for the former, since it comes mainly in the form of a bunch of unreliably happy reviews from AICN folk (Knowles and some others — not just test screening reports)… but Fever Pitch, which looks kinda cute, maybe amusing, but not all that original, got positive notices from Ebert & Roeper (as well as, strangely, a bunch of AICN folk, too), and seems like it may get good (if not fabulous) reviews. My curiousity has changed into genuine interest … or at least, a higher level of curiousity than when I saw the Sahara trailer for the first time.

  2. L&DB says:

    We have to move on from the “MOST IMPORTANT FILM
    EVER!–this month?” Oh come now. However I am
    really looking forward to Sahara and Fever Pitch
    just because they cannot be as bad as Sin City.
    Seriously, I am aiming at that level this weekend.
    But what can you do when the real MOVIE season does
    not start until April 29?
    But back to Sin City. Man is Jessica Alba friggin
    hot? Jesus.

  3. Joe Leydon says:

    From today’s Hollywood Reporter:
    Moore to helm ‘Devil’ remake with Regency
    Producer Chris Moore will make his directorial debut on Regency Enterprises’ “Race With the Devil,” a remake of a 1975 horror thriller that is being updated by writers Drew McWeeny and Scott Swan. The original, released by 20th Century Fox, revolved around two couples that head off to Colorado for skiing and dirt biking. Along the way, they witness a satanic sacrifice, but when they call the local authorities, all evidence disappears. They resume their vacation but find themselves shadowed by a cult. Peter Fonda and Loretta Swit were in the cast of the original. Moore had been partners in LivePlanet with Ben Affleck, Matt Damon and Sean Bailey. (Borys Kit)
    Now what I want to know is this: I know they can maybe get somebody to play the Peter Fonda role. But who could play the Warren Oates part?

  4. jeffrey boam's doctor says:

    Joe – loved the original as a kid not so much now. Starret’s shining moment was THE LOSERS which I think is one of the greatest drive-in flicks ever made. I heard this Moore rumour back in Nov – took a long time to confirm. McWeeney is Moriarity from AICN and is also penning John Carpenters upcoming Cigarette Burns. Moore won’t bring any creatve flair to the flick but it’ll get made and on budget. They’ll make it younger than Oates… and it’ll probably be Vince Vaughn and Peter Sarsgaard.

  5. Joe Leydon says:

    Jeff: How much you want to bet they change it so it’ll have a more “upbeat” ending?

  6. L&DB says:

    I just love that the guys who came up with the
    PRESIDENT OF AFRICA. Have somehow become working
    writers in LaLaLand. Of course they also wrote
    something about a coughing computer being manically
    evil. So these guys got more talent spewing out
    of them than Sean Gunn back in 1994!

  7. Dan R% says:

    I want to know more about Kingdom of Heaven…is it going to be great, good, so-so or another lame epic?
    Personally, I hope it’ll be great…It can’t possibly be as bad as Troy…can it?

  8. L&DB says:

    I guess only I find “PRESIDENT OF AFRICA” funny?
    Curses. Kingdom of Heaven cannot be as bad as
    Troy? There have been a bad string of period epics
    though. Unlike those films and their directors,
    Ridley Scott actually has directed a good one. So
    I have some hope for Kingdom of Heaven.
    Just wait, in a day, there will be some negative
    review over at AICN. Where the reviewer will say
    it “sucked real hard” and makes “Alexander look
    like a really earnest and sincere character study.”

  9. Spam Dooley says:

    It’s weird
    Sin City changes the face of cinema like I said it would
    and DP wants to move past it?
    Why not just take it in?
    Hey, If Sahara doesn’t lose its $100 m as expected will Anschultz make Granat pope?

  10. Dan R% says:

    If I do recall correctly there was a ‘negative’ review a while ago at AICN…around the time that there were grumblings about the authenticity of the script and what religious folk it was going to piss off etc..I’m guessing it’ll start screening in earnest soon…I’d just like to read a report from a site that isn’t AICN…

  11. jeffrey boam's doctor says:

    Okay Dave – here’s a topic for the gang. Which movie site is consistently entertaining and informative that covers up to the minute movie news? Which ones are in your address bar? Which ones make you want to melt your laptop but you still go back for more punishment etc

  12. KamikazeCamel says:

    Sahara has been getting decent-to-good reviews in Australia, where it opens tomorrow (Thursday).
    I still wanna know why movies like Sahara and Guess Who get released here in Australia at the same time as the US (or a week late as is the case with Guess Who) but then we have to wait till May 28 for Sin City…?
    But then there is the case of Todd Hayne’s 1995 movie “Safe” only being released theatrically late last year (!!!) here. And movies like “Elephant” being up to a year late.
    …it boggles the mind.
    Because, American racially themed comedies usually die painful deaths here (see Barbershop) yet they feel the need to release it hear as soon as possible. Yet a movie like Sin City (which is, ya know, an action movie with lots of big names) gets released 2 months later.
    …god, ireally hate Australian distributers.
    Oh, but we did get “Five Children & It” before you guys! That’s so incredibly awesome cause, ya know, it’s a dumb kids movie staring the annoying kid from Finding Neverland.
    …wow, australia really IS lucky.

  13. bicycle bob says:

    fever pitch looks like a train wreck. if ur going to cast someone as a die hard red sox fan, why not get an actual red sox fan? get matt dmaon to do his first romantic comedy. if i can’t see fallon starring in good will hunting. i can’t see him in this.

  14. Lota says:

    The trailer for Sahara was truly cringeworthy and I can’t bear to go see it on that basis. Has it come to this schlock for Steve Zahn (who I like)? Steve Zahn deserves better roles but I am not sure Cruz and McConaughey deserve better.
    All my old aunties love McConaughey, they’ll go see it, that may be the only audience Sahara gets. Despite the nationwide barbecue, I wonder if a movie called Sahara(complete with explosions) whilst we in a war will make a dime?
    If Sahara and Fever Pitch (loved the Brit version) are what’s on deck I think I still rather hear about SIn City.
    I would like to see/hear more about Junebug & thumbsucker & Batman Begins.

  15. Joe Straat says:

    Well, if Sahara does somehow turn out to be a good movie, the people hired to sell it need to be fired. Nothing I have seen of the movie froma dvertising makes me want to see it or makes anything watchable.
    I strangely want to see Fever Pitch despite my hatred for diehard fans (As one of the few Marlins fans out there, I was bunked with a fanatic Cubs fan during the 2003 post-season. Boy, did he enjoy trying to find all the ways he was a better fan than I was and that I was a bandwagoning loser despite me being a fan of them since the Charlie Huff days. Eh, he got what was coming to him).
    I’m interested to see the how the Farrelly brothers handle something that’s not an out-and-out comedy. In their movies, I find the scenes outside the “big laugh” sequences to be complete dead zones. Something About Mary had me falling on the floor laughing in some scenes, but outside of them, I was bored. Will their short bursts of humor be spread more evenly, or will all the energy be drained out completely? And can Jimmy Fallon actually be worth something?

  16. Terence D says:

    I will just wait til the real season starts in May. With Star Wars and the new Batman. Sahara does nothing for me. I sense a real bomb.

  17. David Poland says:

    “Sin City changes the face of cinema like I said it would”
    How has it done that? I’m sure the video will sell very well when it hits Blockbuster the day before Star Wars opens, but what are you talkin’ about, Dooley?

  18. bicycle bob says:

    it changes nothing. except maybe get better roles to mickey rourke and sell a few posters with alba semi nude.

  19. Mark says:

    Its like when they said Kill Bill changed cinema. Did it? No. Its marketing crap.

  20. L&DB says:

    Just to let you know Bob. Jimmy Fallon is supposedly
    a HUGE Red Sox fan. So they actually cast a real
    honest to god Red Sox fan in Fever Pitch.

  21. Mark says:

    Fallon is from New York and said he is more of a Yankee fan than Sox fan. So they didn’t cast a real honest Sox fan. If they wanted that they should have went to Damon or Affleck.

  22. Spam Dooley says:

    I don’t even understand the question…. Sin City is the first film in 8 months that people are talking about- suggesting to their friends- going back to see. It was done without a single set… filmmakers like David Fincher have optioned black and white graphic novels like TORSO to do “their” Sin City- and you have the nerve to ask me HOW it changed cinema? Open your flipping eyes.

  23. bicycle bob says:

    getting a little ahead of yourself spammer. fincher by the way is attached to 50 projects. when one of these sin city type movies becomes a blockbuster then u can make this arguement. until then its just clever marketing.

  24. Terence D says:

    Anyone who calls Sin City revolutionary, has no clue about films. Or they work in the Dimension film dept.

  25. Spam Dooley says:

    bicycle bob
    I can’t tell whether you are obsessed with ee cummings or just a retarded grammarian…
    Dave is attached to Zodiac which is not going and to the Motley Crue movie at MTV. That equals two so obviously you are a poor counter as well as writer.
    What I love about this board is the level of no-nothings here. bicycle bob, what do you do except star in bukakke videos? Terence, I don’t work for Dimension but I do work in Hollywood- I know that EVERY hot director saw SIN CITY and came in this week asking “where’s mine”. What do you do in between smuggling suppositories?
    SIN CITY has changed cinema already under your people’s noses. There will be more director pairings; more noirs; more comics that aren’t superhero films; and more pure green screen films than ever starting NOW. You want to gainsay me that’s fine- but you’re wrong, pure and simple. WRONG.

  26. Joe Leydon says:

    “Sin City is the first film in 8 months that people are talking about.”
    Oh, really? Funnily enough, I seem to recall people were talking a lot about “Million Dollar Baby” just a few weeks ago. In fact, it was being written about, argued about, on op-ed pages and politically-oriented websites. Rule of thumb: When a movie breaks out of the entertainment section and starts getting attention elsewhere, when news programs (and NOT “Entertainment Tongiht”) start devoting segments to it, THAT is a phenom.

  27. Spam Dooley says:

    Dude- Million Dollar Baby was a very solid TV film. People talked about it but not like they are talking about SIN CITY

  28. Joe Leydon says:

    Spamster: Whether you liked “M$B” is almost entirely irrelevant to the matter at hand. You claimed “Sin City is the first film in 8 months that people are talking about.” You were wrong. Take it like a man. I repeat: When a movie gets talked about on newscasts and op-ed pages, it’s a genuine phenom. So far, “Sin City” hasn’t broken out of the entertainment pages.
    And by the way: Has anyone else out there noted a curious lack of interest in “Sin City” among the very demographic you’d think would flock to the film? Only a handful of my students at two different colleges (roughly 130 total)have indicated they either have seen or want to see it. And according to my 18-year-old son, neither he nor any of his buddies plan to see it. (And mind you, they were among the first in line to see “Blade 3.”)

  29. David Poland says:

    Oddly enough, defending Mr. Dooley’s position…
    I think his point is that filmmakers he hears from are all anxious to play in the same sandbox Rodriguez worked… the look is exciting and the opportunity to improve on this film is clearly there. I don’t think he’s talking about breakout box office, since it’s not that. Meanwhile, none of the directors would dare to suggest that they follow in Eastwood’s shoes because, 1) They don’t have the scripts or the ability to produce them and 2) None of these directors have the juice to get a dark drama made.
    That said, I don’t know how many of these directors could deliver a Sin City for $40 million without the resources Rodriguez has built in Austin over the years… much as no one could deliver King Kong or Star Wars for the prices that Peter Jackson and George Lucas can.
    Like all the horrible Tarantino knock-offs, there will be many bad Sin City knock-offs, no doubt. But so far, I am convinced Span is still Dolley-ing in very inside baseball and the proof is in the projector.

  30. bicycle bob says:

    i’ll believe it when i see the movies being made on sound stages.

  31. Mark says:

    Joe, thats a bad support of your arguement. Because a few college kids don’t want to see it, its not any good and theres no buzz? I agree with you but you can’t support it with that. Its a 3 week film. If it doesn’t crack 50 before week 3 then it will limp. I don’t think it will change the industry.

  32. Joe Leydon says:

    Mark: My “arguement” isn’t that “Sin City” will or won’t change the industry. I’m merely disputing Spammy’s sweeping statement that “Sin City” is “the first film in 8 months that people are talking about.” I mean, OK, if by “people” you mean only comic book fans or people who think of themselves as the next generation of Hollywood inisders, I dunno, maybe. But if you think “people” means — well, the entire population, I’m sorry, but within the past eight months, I’d say people have been talking just as much (if not more) about “M$B,” “The Aviator” and “Sideways.” Hell, I’d say more “people” have been talking about “The Incredibles.”
    As for the “buzz factor,” I only wanted to raise a question: Outside of comic book fans and noir-loving movie fanatics, is there a really huge audience for this film? Are mainstream moviegoers really that interested? I’m just not picking that up.

  33. Spam Dooley says:

    Thank you for embracing your inner Dooley (sp!).
    28 Days later didn’t make 100 m but definitely changed the industry- virtually every pitch I get these days invoke that film because it was cool.
    The bobs and Joblos all seem obsessed with the BO – oddly enough much more than Hollywood is. Bob Weinstein projected over $80 m in DVD sales and he is right. Film makes money no matter what. BUT my point ALL along has been it will be the most influential film of the 00’s and I am right right right.

  34. David Poland says:

    But Spamela… I think you are a little too generous to the geek filmmakers drooling on your leatherette.
    28 Days Later is not a tough studio sale. The 28 Days Later version of Dawn Of The Dead… cheap money machine. How many of “the influenced,” a group unlikely to include anyone who can actually direct, will be able to deliver a movie that has the Sin City look on the cheap or to attract a cast like Rodriguez that will work for nothing up front, the only way they’ll get the money from a studio? I would guess somewhere between “few” and “far between.”
    And of course, the real look of the film, outside of the hyper green screen of it all, has already done by Tm Burton and Terry Gilliam repeatedly (usually light on profit) and the green screen movie was pioneered by Lucas. Just cause Lucas’ ugly girl lost some weight and is now “cool” doesn’t mean she’s going to be good in bed.

  35. Joe Leydon says:

    Spammy: I have to agree — being “influential” doesn’t always mean making $100 mil. Or even $20 mil. In fact, you could make the argument that “Heaven’s Gate” is one of the most influential movies of the past 25 years. Take a look at the “Final Cut” documentary that appears to run almost weekly on the Trio cable network, and you’ll see what I mean.

  36. Spam Dooley says:

    Gate is infulential in the sense that NO ONE wants to make a film like that and then change their sex like Cimino did.

  37. Joe Leydon says:

    Spamster: Once again, you demonstrate a firm grasp of the obvious while ignoring the really important. The “influence” of “Heaven’s Gate” (and no, I’m not trying to be ironic here) has relatively little to do with negative example, and much, MUCH more to do with collateral damage and agenda re-setting. Twenty-five years after the fact, Cimino

  38. Lota says:

    I have come to the conclusion that Spam is a Producer.
    SIn CIty is influential and will be influential in that is a whole lot better than 90% of the ‘from comics’ movies out there. That gives me hope.
    And it will make alot of money, maybe not as much as Batman begins will, but still alot.

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