Why Does It Make Me So Sad?
Tom Cruise is acting like a guy who walked into the casino, won huge, and is on a losing streak. The smaller the stack gets, the more desperate he is to play bigger and bigger amounts to get back the winnings he has “lost.”
Unlike a gambler, Tom Cruise is beyond the point where he will go home broke. But does he know that?
This is instructive about a guy like Tom Hanks as well. The heat has faded a little. And what does Hanks do? Whatever the hell he wants. You don’t see him making tabloid noise or co-starring in Superman Returns (or whatever it will be called) or seeking the most commercial things he can, even if The DiVinci Code might be very commercial.
Anne Thompson compared the publicity efforts on Cruise’s and Brad Pitt’s behalf. But there is nothing magical about the Pitt effort… just good, solid publicity management. But the biggest factor is not the publicist, but the actor. Pitt seems not to care very much. He’s not a gambler. He won the lottery (genetic and otherwise) and he seems to be enjoying the ride. He appears to have taken Troy as seriously as Snatch… and on he goes. He makes some clearly commercial choices, but in the end, choosing to play pocket pool with Angelina Jolie is not a hard decision…. well, insert pun… and insert pun on the word “insert.” See how easy it is to build a Pitt story?
A 40-year-old man marrying a 24-year-old less than two months after they met is desperate. There is no other appropriate word. It doesn’t matter if you are Tom Cruise or if you have a movie coming or whatever else.
Listening to a report of their engagement, at a press conference a reporter floated the question of whether they got engaged at the Eiffel Tower and they confirmed. Fuck! There is no way that was not a set up. The reporter was told and given the opportunity to ask the question, rather than Team Cruise sending out a press release. Double fuck! The reason so many people think it’s movie promotion is that it has all the hallmarks of something so obvious that it can only sustain for a few months, like a movie promotional scheme.
And now, they have to get married, stay together for at least 10 years, and probably have some kids or Cruise becomes nothing but a public joke. Think it would be cynical to suggest there is a contract? There is no way that Tom Cruise got engaged without a pre-nup… none. And Katie Holmes is no Lisa Marie Pressley. She will never talk or even hint. And sadly, Li’l Katie is not half the actress Nicole Kidman is… so as a career move (outside of the millions she will walk away with before the age of 35), it’s very Marion Davies/Susan Alexander Kane.
Anyway… I find it all very sad. This is, for me, completely analagous to “I love children… having them in my bed is an act of love.” Once you are this deep in the water, all you can do is fight to justify your behavior… and the water just keeps getting deeper.
And let this mark the day that MovieCityNews got out of the Tom & Katie business. Our writers will write whatever they like in their columns and features, but this story has crossed some horrible line and it is time for any news outlet that doesn’t want to be in league with something this cynical and ugly to get out. We will cover the movies and at some point, if there is a tangible shift in the story that matters, we will cover that. But until then, look for your “TomKat” headlines in the tabloids and Defamer, not on MCN. Cold turkey.
OK, I have a question about the Forbes “celebrity power” list. On which Johnny Depp appears in the top 10. hello what?
What is power in Hollywood? Is it being in films that make a lot of $$? because of course that would put Hugo Weaving at the top. Is it your fee per film? I don’t see Keanu Reeves on that list. Or is it being able to do exactly what you want? cue George Lucas, who is on the list.
But what about all those actors, directors, writers who can get work and presumably can write their own ticket, but are not “celebrities”–do they have power?
I guess it all depends on how you define “power.”
But I still don’t understand Johnny Depp in the top 10.
It is shocking to me that someone with Cruise’s management skills is in this position. This is a guy who I admired for his skill in surrounding himself with proven winners. When I saw him introduce his “team” on “Inside the Actors Studio”, I was at the level of talent that was on there. The same could be seen from the people that he made movies with. Amazing!
I am trying, actually I am on the verge of giving up, to figure out what’s going on. Its not publicity. Of all the movies that both he and Ms. Holmes will make, the two movies that are starring in need the least amount of publicity. So its not that. Its something else. What?
Is it Scientology? No. Its not that because Scientologists have some strong publicity people in their camp who would have told them that this Tom/Katie thing is a bad idea. Its something else. What?
dave, u have a really good post there. but not to mention scientology once???
His over the top and weird behavior is distracting me from his movies and his characters. I was watching Jerry Maguire the other night on basic cable and the first thing I though of was Katie Holmes and the couch hopping.
Good post, articulating what I’ve been thinking.
Since I am about Katie’s age I can see what’s going on. Every girl wanted to marry Cruise when we were younger. Cocktail/Top Gun Tom. But that was when we were 8. This just looks ridiculous. And then to switch from being a Catholic to being a Scientologist? Either she is extremely dumb or just desperate to have a Nicole Kidman type career. And Katie is no Nicole. No way!
The Tom and Katie show… and his over the top hysterical laughing, the incessant pushing of his Scientology cult, not to mention sofa jumping, is very disturbing. I don’t care about either of them, but they’re being forced down our throats by the media coverage. ENOUGH already. I guess my only feeble protest will be to not watch their films, or read any more stories about “their love”.
Can anyone out there possibly name the last big star or even celebrity who was this honest and in our faces about his love life? For the life of me I can’t. Screams Bullshit to me.
I’m not sure what you’re trying to prove in stopping TomKat coverage. Which came first the media reporting about it or people wanting to read about it? People love to watch and read about a good train wreck and it doesn’t get better than TomKat. What makes it even more fascinating is how orchestrated this mess is. Its PR in the world of the Twilight Zone.
If this keeps up M:I 3 is going to be a major flop and Katie has pretty much kissed the rest of her career goodbye.
That said I will be seeing War Of The Worlds but for a completely different reason. Spielberg. Hopefully I’ll be able to handle Cruise without imagining the shit eating grin he’s been wearing lately.
The whole thing just gets more painful to watch everyday. It amazes me that Cruise can be so detached from reality that he can’t see that most people are buying it.
I do have to admit I would like to see how this plays out, each step they take just seems to make the whole thing worse. Defamer jokingly said yesterday that he’ll probably prepose in fron of the Eiffle Tower and he does.
She’s not a remarkable actor as others have mentioned here and he’s really hit and miss.
On Tom Hanks: “You don’t see him making tabloid noise or co-starring in Superman Returns (or whatever it will be called) or seeking the most commercial things he can.”
Um, what about buying Mark Felt’s story?
The Scientololgy angle –
Why doesn’t a single reporter simply ask Tom Cruise one line of questioning. He says people are curious about Scientology and want to know more. So have a reporter simply ask him: “Do you truly believe that a Galactic Emperor named Xenu 75 million years ago sent invisible alien spirits called thetans on H bombs planted in volcanoes that you must rid yourself of?” That’s all.
I mean, according to Scientology dogma there’s no way we could know about Xenu without reaching level OT III, or we’d die of pneumonia – Hubbard was the first in 75 million years to do it. So would somebody please have the jounalistic cojones to ask one simple question that deserves an answer instead of the recent habit of everyone agreeing to go on some tour of the facilities where Mr. Cruise can wax poetic on their curing his dyslexia. There’s no journalism here. Everyone agrees in order to get their story with him, which invariably ends up being a half hearted “neutral’ take on his involvement with the wackiest bunch of Galaxy Empire worshippers ever… Leaving only the tabloid press with its cynicism to discuss the real story, unafraid of litigation.
Furthermore, how can a man on a crusade against psychiatry work with adherents and examiners of Freudian and Jungian theory like Kubrick (come on, no other director was more Jungian) and Mann (copiously takes notes on psychoanalytic motives and has his actors consult with psychiatrists on characters)? How did Kubrick not end up mentally bitch slapping the man?
Ever notice how Tom show up just as his movies come out? He sure knows how to play the game.
Just goes to show you that even the most savvy, insular celebrities can screw up in the publicity game. Tom prolly never thought it would be spun so negatively; his ego allowed him the vision that people would be cheering him and “Kate” on for their fairytale romance.
PMK would’ve ixnayed this fiasco from day one. Poor Tom and sis just don’t have the ability to walk the fine line of “I can’t believe he did that!” positive hype and “Why the hell did he do that?” negative hype.
You can’t be asking Tom any Scientology questions. He has answers foe every single question you have and you would be there listening to him all day long. They train these actors well at Scientology school.
pitt seems like someone 10 times cooler than cruise. u don’t see him having his agent compile a list of actresses under 30 so he can date
Bullseye Dave!
The line has been crossed and, as Tom Sizemore said in “Private Ryan,” we’ve taken a turn into the surreal here. People who take movies and even relationships seriously need to show their offense to this insanity by staying as far away from it as possible. The comparison to “Citizen Kane” is appropriate but maybe it’s more in line with Jerry Maguire’s breakdown and hasty proposal to Dorothy Boyd.
It seems that Cruise, who is truly a fantastic actor, has hit the midlife crisis and is now bullying this poor girl into loving him.
i don’t think its bullying. i think she has made a deal for her career. like kidman did. spend 10 yrs with this loon for A list status
Tom Hanks is a far cry from Cruise. You think Tom Hanks and you think class. You think he would be jumping up and down on a couch on Oprah over dating a 26 yr old? Very, very doubtful.
And where’s James Van Der Beek in all this? First Pacey and now Tom. He’s gonna be so pissed!
He is doing what every young actor is doing. Begging for work. And hoping Nicole Kidman goes crazy and needs a younger guy to squire around town.
When I see the War of the Worlds trailers with Dakota Fanning, one of my thoughts is always “She’s next”.
check out the last few weeks of star and us weekly if u really want to be creeped with him and dakota. u can almost see him trying to take her mind over with scientology
I still think this Cruise guy is as gay as they come. Not thats theres anything wrong with it but why keep on covering it up?
I’m not getting the Tom Cruise-Katie Holmes PR conspiracy. Why would Tom Cruise need more attention. HE’S FREAKING TOM CRUISE. Biggest star on the planet! What is his demonstrating for the world that he’s getting laid going to add another two or three million to the domestic take of “War of The Worlds”. It’s not like his career needs a boost, with or without Katie Holmes “WOTW” is going to gross 300 plus million.
So what possible gain could he get from this relationship conspiracy. Is he going to go from box office champion of the world to box office champion of the universe!
Poland I’m especially disappointed in you for this post. You are the rare journalist who talks movies and not gossip, yet here you are talking about this nonsense. For shame!
What you don’t get Kernan cause you probably have way too much common sense and intelligence is that Tom Cruise is absolutely nuts. You think, like we all do, why would he go thru this from some press? But that the thang. He is just off his rocker and out of this planet. A loon.
If it’s the case that journalists cannot ask about Scientology, then how about that Der Spiegel piece in which they really caught him off guard?
I do not think its a do no ask thing. It is more of ask at your own risk. When will Cruise join Travolta for Battlefield Earth 2?
That MCN will not cover the Cruise traveling snake oil show is very good news. But I hope it will cover movie-related things and not divorce Cruise altogether.
If one listens to entertainment gossip over lunch and booze, and I do(but it can’t always be believed) when i am in LA, it seems that some highly negative news is rumored to be due/threatened to spill, on Mr Cruise. But without elaboration, these very same people who threaten to muckrake also enjoy being paid off so i doubt anything will get bigger than a Ted blind item.
At any rate i did meet him >10 years ago and he’s a very nice person. I can’t say anything bad about him..civil and upbeat.
Many people seem to highlight/jump on TC for the an age difference (so? my parents have a big age difference and they’ve been happily married 30+ years) rather than the businesslike/orchestrated nature of the entire thing which is kind of icky. Within months of splitting with Nicole Kidman TomC was advertsing that he was “a relationship kinda guy” and wanted & needed to get married again. Kinda odd. Getting divorced is not something most people recover from easily or within months, unless it was a convenient arrangement too with ‘Nic’. and why tell anyone who will listen about stuff like the progress of a relationship? I want to see the timetable. There must be one printed up already. I bet the engagement was announced only after papers were signed. entertainment lawyers don’t gossip nearly as much as criminal lawyers do. dang.
And why do folks keep harping on Katie Holmes like she’s a teenager? She isn’t underage. There’s some big impetus that has nothing to do with faith & passion. A marriage of convenience or it wouldn’t be so public.
Beats workin’ Katie, but alas, not very romantic.
wonder if TC agreed to knock her up the old fashioned way, or if he’ll go in vitro.
Want to throw a monkey wrench into this whole thing? Have Chris Klein kill himself. I mean, I don’t advocate him dying or anything, but what else does he have to contribute to pop culture? I would love to see DeVette’s wheels turning after that one.
Cruise made Reader’s Digest submit questions in advance for a cover story on him. Yes, the hoary Reader’s Digest!
With its incessant reliance on franchises, remakes and sequels, Hollywood has become akin to strip-mining.
You are so sad… let the guy have a life. So he screwed up… got drunk and love or power or whatever. It’s one of two things. You’re jealous or you’re bored. When you post things about people like this, when you make hurtful remarks about Rene Zellewegers face, or Katies talent, you become part of the problem. You buy into it all and you are much much more despicable than a guy who falls in love with a young girl and goes nuts on a talk show. He does these things, thse shows, all of the time, his whole life, he got comfortable.. it happens. The reaction to me is sad. Hoping Chris Klein will kill himself. Tearing these people apart behind their backs. This is point where it’s gotten. THis is just new age back yard fence talk and nothing else. Let’s not take it out on Tom Cruise. He’s going to have a long and successful career and a lot of us are going to be here in our miserable lives throwing anyonymous darts at him to maybe feel a little better about our selves.
Yikes . . . that was a scary post. I think the Scientologists
Scientologists will not be denied. They are behind the poker, casinos, home loans, and cat spam. Be warned!
Speaking of underage actresses, I’m ready to move on to Jeremy Piven working Lindsay Lohan last night on Leno. Man, he was in rare form. All the sudden I’m curious to see if Herbie has two fresh butt cheek imprints on his hood!
Lohan isn’t underage. She is 19.
I never thought I’d say this, but Spielberg must be steaming. I bet they never work together again.
You know what Twitchy, to think I’m a scientologist (can’t even spel it) is absurd. I’m someone in this business who is tired of seeing friends, co-workers, and people I admire raked over the coals by jealous anonymous nothings. You don’t have to be a scientologist to stick up for Tom Cruise. He’s a damn good guy who’s entertained a lot of people for a long time, done an emormous amount for charity and doesn’t deserve to be all of the sudden turned into the devil for no reason whatsoever. What did he do? Who has he killed? What is all the sour enrgy towards him about? I don’t get it.
You spelled “scientology” fine. Now…for your next word…try “sycophant.”
Dave- you’re right on and I’m glad you’re drawing the line.
Don, you’re a wuss. No offense.
Have you guys read “The Kite Runner” yet? I just picked up a copy the other day. Really great so far. This blog needs a change of topic…
We have to remember the media is throwing all of this in our faces…..the media are the ones that ask the questions. They want to know about Scientology. He is not bringing up the questions during the interviews. He may have an answer with Scientology as the subject. Why is it that this is such a major subject around the world? Well….it is all over tv and magazines etc.. The media has a way of pulling you in. In turn we think we have the right to judge and assume.
When it comes down to it why are there so many negative opinions about this? Why are people “bothered” by Tom Cruise and how happy he is? It seems to me most people want the powerful ones to fall and not be on top.
Tom Cruise is turning from Desperate Loser into more Creepy Mid-Life Crisis Man every minute. It’s absurd to think that Tom and Katie are this in love.
Actually, no, I’m sure Tom IS this much in love because he’s getting all this attention from a woman half his age (well, almost). His ego is getting a big boost.
But I can totally see film producers crossing Tom off their lists for potential stars. He’s crossed over into the bizarre.
“i don’t think its bullying. i think she has made a deal for her career. like kidman did. spend 10 yrs with this loon for A list status”
She didn’t become A List until they got divorced. In fact, it WAS the divorce that made her a bit more popular and then the 1-2 punch of Moulin Rouge! and The Others and then the Oscar.
Speaking of Oscars, can I throw in a couple of cents? Maybe Tom chose Katie because he figured she’s never gonna win an Oscar. Or, at least before he does.
AND I was reading that Katie actually dropped out of a film where she was to play a drug addict friend of Andy Warhol in a biopic. Apparently he told her she shouldn’t make it because he doesn’t think she should be playing “a victim”. But you know what? Drug Addict? Biopic? Hot Young Actress jumping from TV to Film? Sounds like an Oscar to me…
His behavior has become so annoying that I’m never, ever going to go see a movie with him in it ever again. I can’t even stand to look at him.
I have to see “Batman Begins”, but after that, I’m boycotting her, too.
Thanks for the gossip ban! I need to know there’s one place on the internet that I don’t have to read that crap!
“i don’t think its bullying. i think she has made a deal for her career. like kidman did. spend 10 yrs with this loon for A list status”
This is what I’m talking about it and isn’t being a sycophant ‘DON’, it’s incredulity.(?) Why is he a loon? Spend ten years with him?? That statement implies quasimodo. The guy is a handsome movie star multi millionaire who’s charismatic vital energetic and interesting. Anyone that can’t see that is just jealous of him. This is not a death sentence for a young actress. Anyone that can’t get to the bottom of this and just see fan/public jealousy is lost in their resentments. What has he done?? So he’s older than her? “He picked her because she won’t get an Oscar before him” Stand back people and see how absurd this all is. He’s a guy. She’s hot. He’s single and it’s got to be tough to meet girls when you’ve got his level of fame. I just wish someone would think this through and realize how perverse it all is.
The people who are on the other side of this.. The Cruises, The Pitts, The Afflecks and such just shake their heads. They realize it’s part of the game but they laugh at how wrong the media and then the internet and the bloggers and gawkrs and gossipers ALWAYS get it.
People have become stupider about celebs than the thrid teir Kennedy assasination theorists…
By the way. The funniest notion on this whole post is Kamikazee Camel’s absurd statement
“But I can totally see film producers crossing Tom off their lists for potential stars. He’s crossed over into the bizarre.”
I’m sorry but if this isn’t someone that has no idea what is going what is? Any producer in this town would jump all over this guy to have him i his movie and they do and they are. The pile of scripts on Rick Nicitia’s desk with ‘producers’ trying to get Tom to read them is taller than the Kamikazze Camel times five I guarantee it.
Bloggers and reporters may be fools but this town still knows where the money is.
Time to get all REGULATOR on this post. First off; Tom and Katie met through a Scientology meeting. If Mike Walker says as much; it happens. Mike Walker has more journalistic integrity than most, and it explains TOMKAT’s inability to state their origins. Again, all sorts of religions have meetings like this for SINGLE folks. TOMKAT just seemingly like making this whole affair ‘creepier’ by not stating their origins. Secondly, the reason this relationship comes across as contrived and a all around sham. Come to this; STARS ARE NEVER THIS REVEALING ABOUT THEIR LIVES! NEVER! Especially if they are one (Vin Diesel has had better domestic grosses than Tom has over the last three films) of Hollywood’s bigger stars. Do you know anything about Denzel Washington? Do you know anything about Matt Damon? Do you know anything really about Ice Cube? Quentin Tarrintino? Julia Roberts? And so on? No you dont. We know very little about our biggest stars, and what we know they tell us. Tom Cruis and Katie Holmes have essentially self-destructed before us, and revealed themselves in ways that are detremental to your career. Heck. Beck Hansen’s a friggin scientologist, and we know very little about the guy. These two are just crossing lines that are sad and just plain dumb. This alone should kill WOTW in ways the word of mouth cannot even touch (SIGNS rip-off). I have no problem with people living your life. Yet, when you become a star, especially someone as big as Tom FREAKIN Cruise. Carrying on like this not only taints your filmography but your star-level as well. If I were JJ. I would bail on MI3 like now.
AH,
Your posts come across as too naive to really be taken seriously as:
“someone in this business who is tired of seeing friends, co-workers, and people I admire raked over the coals by jealous anonymous nothings”
or maybe you’re a plant, I’ll give you that.
I think it is silly but whatever floats your boat. Not sure why he left Nicole Kidman in the first place. I wonder if he’ll trade katie in for a younger model in a few yrs ?
The headlines from US Weekly in 2012: Hollywood’s New Power Couple: Tom and Dakota! When will she have a baby?
Poodle, since you are late to this party. According to viscious gossip (possibly true) going around at the time. Nicole and Ewan had an affair. Nicole then became pregnant. Tom discovered and flew off the handle. Since he could never get Nicole pregnant (leaving us all to start a pool on when Katie gets pregnant. I say by either late this year or early next year. INVERTRO BABY!). The stress the Tiny Level 4 heaped upon Kidman, as well as her own guilt, leads to her miscarriage. After that, they couldnt get it togethe, and marriage over man. MARRIAGE OVER. At least Lenny Kravitz helped Kidman (insert Peaches song title here).
i think it is very funny that some folks think Tom is a victim of a hounding media re. Katie Holmes. If stars want to keep their private life private, they don’t have to talk to anyone or take any questions they don’t want to on these orchestrated chat shows…believe me the secrets that have been kept Hollywood secrets, oy. Cruise is the manipulator here! This has been his circus 100% which is why it is so distasteful. Can’t blame this one on journalists, glad to say.
No one can escape the paparazzi, but interviews–TomC has so much say in what is in an interview (as does Brad Pitt etc). He’s the puppetmaster, not the other way around.
An “invertro baby” L&DB? I’d like to see that. Is that an inside outie baby? Maybe that’s what a Thetan would produce! (Sorry but that was a humdinger of a Freudian mis-spell.)
The journalists are being weak minded man-animals, though… Something like Travolta played in “Battlefield Teegeeack”. If they had any balls they’d throw their cojones up on the table just like that German journalist did and challenge Scientology with everything that’s become public about it instead of sniggeringly implying something might be off. If Cruise is proud to be a Scientologist, then let’s have him show that he’s proud to discuss the Marcabian Fleet, psychic powers, and Xenu. Also, let’s have them explain why the group hides in organizations like The Way to Happiness.
I would not call most Entertainment Reporters in the US “journalists” Xenu. But they sure can use a blackberry.
Xenu? Wasn’t that a brand of jeans for women in the 1980s?
I have been a Katie Holmes fan since “The Ice Storm”. So I am probably the only one on this blog who knows anything about her. Everyone who knows her well seems to love her – which if any of you were listening is exactly what Tom Cruise said. So, no one should be surprised that he says that he loves her too.
OK, he seems a little (more than a little) loony. An oxytosin high will do that, especially to a man that is starting to get on in years who falls for a terrific, much younger woman that actually loves him back.
Yes, the Scientology thing is very creepy, especially when he uses it to attack Brooke Shields. This was very mean spirited. He is beginning to sound like the kind of religious zealot most Americans came to this country to escape. Long term, this kind of zealotry will damage his image and career more than Katie Holmes ever will.
So, congratulations Tom, but please keep your religion to yourself.
Katie has always been a class act all the way. From what I know about her she wouldn’t participate in a fraud. She wasn’t brought up that way. She comes from a close knit, large, loving, very protective and straight arrow “Father Knows Best” type of 1950’s TV series family. Her family wouldn’t perpetrate a fraud either. They are all solid midwestern people all the way. So probably what has happened is that an adorable young woman fell for an older man she has always looked up too. So, congratulations Katie.(By the way, her father is a divorce lawyer. So, if there is a pre-nup you can be sure that Katie will be very well taken care of).
Bottom Line: I don’t see why people think this is so peculiar – aside from the couch jumping and other antics (this is Hollywood, so don’t expect conservatism). An older man fell for a terrific, adorable, much younger woman that loves him back and flips out a bit (Ok, more than a bit). And, an adorable young woman fell for an older, very powerful man she has always looked up too.
Katie said some time ago that she wanted to marry him and now she will. Katie has said many other things. She once said that she wanted to play a drug addict – a role that made no sense for her. Now she won’t do it. She grew up in a very sheltered environment,playing with Barbie’s and going to an all-girls Catholic school. The last thing this girl knows anything about is drug addiction and she would look foolish playing such a part – as foolish as she has looked playing other dark trashy roles. If Tom talked her out of it, he showed real intelligence.
As for the rest of you – eat your heart out, because you are not going to marry Katie Holmes.
Don’t even know katie holmes real age.
she is 26 not 24
get your facts right before you start spite your hated for them
If what you say is true Lenny, then all the more reason she shouldn’t be agreeing to a media whirlwind. To be ‘taken care of’ financially is a sad consolation prize. I would think better of TC’s motives if he had done all in private.
KH is an actress–playing a druggie is a fictional part. I don’t get the big deal about that.
And what I said re. entertainment reporters above had nothing to do with DPs reference to Blackberry on his recent HotButton. I mayn’t agree with some of the ideas DP champions, but at he has an opinion (i.e. not a chump) and knows how to write, something that can’t be said for most “ER”s.
Kamikaze; Cruise give Kidman a carrer and a status.
He also offered her her biggest success: The Others. It was before the divorce but released after.
As for the Factory rumor, the director denied on his own IMDB page, that it was false statements.
Cruise did drugs in movies.
There have been a lot of wrong stories on Cruise recently, because every papers can do it now. Tom’s sister can’t defends her brother.
He should fired his sister, his entourage, scientology. Is it possible now he’s such a fanatic?
It sadden me. Tom doesn’t deserve that; no one does. This man is genuine, he is very nice.
But $cn, with the help of Mimi “super-recruiter” Rogers (his 1st wife), stole a lot of his personnality, his life and mind.
But he is still the same boy.
Now who can deprogramm Tom, without fear of the cult backlash? because they really “take care” of Cruise, everytime, everywhere, whenever, whatever…
Idea?
To Lenny, fan of Holmes, you are really uninformed:
What happen to Katie was the same that happened to Tom in 1986 when he married Mimi Rogers (thx previous poster)
Tom was catholic, but he dropped.
Don’t blame Tom, blame: L. RON HUBBARD!!!
because all these celebrities are puppets who converts others celebrities. That is famous. Check on Xenu.com
I’m sick of these stupid katie(stupid too) fans!
whew being in a hotel for the past few days with a f*cked up wireless makes me want to post on a blog. any blog.
Jesus, I don’t think he’s a fanatic in any kind of religious sense. I wouldn’t blame Mimi for stealing.
But something is weeeeeeird with the ‘protective wall’ that Cruise built. will it come tumbling down?
Lota said “KH is an actress–playing a druggie is a fictional part. I don’t get the big deal about that”. Normally this would be true of most actresses that have “been around the block” a few times. But Katie hasn’t, is a bit clueless and doesn’t know that she shouldn’t try to play characters she has no way to understand. See some of her trashy films and you will get the point.
I agree that “she shouldn’t be agreeing to a media whirlwind”. I think that press at this level is all very knew to her and being a little clueless she is going along with this because Tom wants her to do it. On the hand, she also once said that “she hoped to someday see Paris in the springtime”. So to some extent I think that she loves the travel and is enjoying the hoopla and doesn’t see how sad it is in many ways.
Thanks to Mary for the info on Tom being a Catholic that dropped. I didn’t know that. It really surprises me that Katie is saying that she is going to convert to Scientology. It will estrange her from everyone back home and I would be surprised if she hasn’t heard this already.
This whole thing is sinister. Her fans don’t like it at all. They think she is being taken advantage of and I agree. Her fans have started a “Free Katie” movement with hats and T-Shirts etc. – See ebay.
Actually, movie history is full of stories about actors/actresses who passed on roles because they had moral objections and/or worried about image problems. Several actors passed on “Alfie” before Michael Caine got the part, for example, because back in the ’60s, it wasn’t widely considered a good career move to play a guy who arranges an abortion for a pregnant lover. Maybe Katie felt she simply wouldn’t be accepted as a druggie. Or maybe, you know, she just didn’t want to go there.
Another thing: I don’t understand the accusation that Katie and Tom faked this romance to publicize “Batman Returns” and “War of the Worlds.” I ean, why would those movies need more hype? Now, if they were trying to hype “Pieces of April” and “Magnolia,” maybe I could buy it.
Whether or not their movies need hype, the underlying question remains as to why TomKat are choosing to draw so much scrutiny upon themselves. I don’t think so many people would be placing this under a magnifyiing glass if the whole ridiculous thing didn’t seem so staged.
Call me jaded and cynical, but I’m waiting for a major bombshell to drop (i.e., perhaps another hustler with some new allegations about Cruise’s sexuality) that may explain the motivations behind this poorly performed circus act.
If I have to wear a t-shirt, I’ll take free Tom (and there are some!).
Scientology’s overwork on Tom is famous and a shame. He was 21, arrived alone in Hollywood, dyslexic and not educated. One year later on top with Top Gun, and saw his dad die. He was the perfect target for the cult. Mimi Rogers had a connection with L Ron Hubbard himself. Can you imagine? she even convert Sonny Bono!
Tom consider to become a priest as a teenager, but not for long. the fransiscan school he stayed, closed for pedophilia case.
Maybe that turn him off catholicism.
Tom never had marks in his life,where he began, because… oh fuck! read his biography, it’s revealing. It make sense about how and why he is what he is today.
I wouldn’t trade my life to his. I’m a comedian,though I don’t want to be the doll of Hollywood and scientology. Clearly a war of the worlds over Tom !
An Australian 60 Minute reporter sat down for an interview with Cruise recently but had been ‘recommended by Cruise to attend a 4 hr Scientology talk before the interview. (The show aired in late May, 2005 in Australia).
The reporter felt that he ‘had to’ attend the talk in order to get the interview. Of course, Cruise got fairly defensive about the comment and insisted that “people are interested!” and that he had not been forced to do anything. What rubbish!
When the reporter asked how Cruise felt about people saying that Scientology was a cult and along the line of being for nutty people, Cruise firmly said, “No one has said that to me”. Cruise through much of a fairly intense but short interview, was not his usal suave self, or relaxed. I’m sure it all had to do with the ‘hard’ questions being asked of him. I praise this reporter! I’m surprised that I have never read or seen interviews where someone has dared to ask him about Scientology and its cult status. I have been a big fan of Cruise since I was a teenager but I must admit that his recent public behaviour is over the top and quite frankly, a little bit too much for my stomach to take.
So it does look like someone from the media does have the guts to ask some tough questions. Pity, that Cruise was not too pleasant in the interview, and pity you guys in the US couldn’t see the interview. Cruise made himself appear a little edgy and paranoid with those line of questioning.
Tom Cruise= bipolar.
Needs help and medication.
Tom don’t ask the journalist from Entertainment Weekly to make a tour.
Must fire her sister who makes scientology tours. She is screwing her bro’s carrer.
Unbeleivable.
I am happy for both of them. I’ve followed both Katie and Tom through their careers. They are both deserving of each other. They must be “so happy” as Katie said of their engagement. I hope they do make it as a Hollywood couple.
Lenny, I doubt Tom Cruise has ever worked as a labourer and then had to protect his family from aliens from outer space YET HE STILL MADE A MOVIE WHERE HE DID.
Katie Holmes, i’m quite sure, was never a lawyer in a place called Gotham City and I’m sure she has never known anyone called Batman in real life, YET SHE DID SO IN A MOVIE.
Tina, I missed that interview by Peter Overton on 60 Minutes, I really wanted to see it though. Damn.
Lastly, AH, I was just saying that Tom Cruise is casually growing extremely bonkers and can almost be considered a liability. You never know what he’s gonna do.
If WotW disappoints I know the very first thing people will be blaming – and it ain’t a really bad Spielberg ending (which I’m sure there will be)
I hate to bring it up again, but I reiterate my belief that while some recent Spielberg movies have had weak endings, others have merely been misunderstood. Everyone gives Saving Private Ryan crap for its bookends but they are essential to Spielberg’s point.
WotW? We’ll see.
Jeff, again, I love the Beard. Few things rocked harder than seeing The Beard REPRESENT CULTURE at the 2002 Winter Olympics. Yet, since AI, he has been making movies others could make better. Why did he need to make Minority Report? Why did he have to change the ending, and make it even less effective? Why on earth, does the BEARD of all people, decide to do the Terminal? He went from being special to just working alot. I hope WOTW does not suck. Yet, the smell of ass eminates from that flick. Just reading an early review makes me want sort of throw something at a screen WOTW will eventually play on. One last thing: Tina many of us heard and or saw that interview from Australian 60s minutes. IF not that we heard it on Stern. At least foreign journalist have intergrity that the US press lost around 2002. Figure it out. And I watched Dawson’s Creek since the 5th episode in, and never once found Holmes attractive. Ledger’s old lady or Meredith Monroe at did her in the looks department easily. Im glad she’s off the market, because WE DIDNT WANT HER ANYWAY!
Spielberg is still one of the two or three best directors working today and I do not believe there is anything unpleasant emanating from the movie outside of the Cruise factor. What early review are you talking about?
Did you just spell “outdid” as “at did”? You are indeed from the South.
Kamiikaze Camel. Katie isn’t a lawyer and never had cancer. But her father is a lawyer and her mother had cancer, so she does know something about both. That may be why POA and BB are the only two films where she came across credibly.
With respect to the idea that maybe she passed on Factory Girl because it would hurt her image this would be the first time she did that. I hope that this is true, because it would be a sign of maturity. She seemed to see all this as a challenge rather than trash. See her taking her clothes off in the Gift and see how bad things got with her playing trashy roles. She seemed to see all this as a challenge rather than trash. I thought of this as a Catholic school girl’s rebellion. She was bad on screen doing things she never would dream of doing in real life.
Thanks to all of you about filling me in on Tom pathetic and strange past. I really knew nothing about it. It makes me very uneasy about a sweet kid like Katie having anything to do with him.
I did not think she was credible in Batman. She looked like a sixteen year old intern, and had no chemistry with Bale.
Ok….back on this to read the comments and I am in shock!
The negativity about him – what is that all about? Is it so bad to be Tom Cruise? I bet not….he is on top for a reason and so many are trying to knock him. I’m sure they would trade their lives for his any day.
Someone wrote that he is bipolar – oh you must know him or wish he was bipolar so you could feel better about yourself.
Someone is not going to see anymore of his movies – you will miss out since it will be a really good one considering all of the top people working on it including him.
And the whole Scientology thing – I think you need reason to put him down and that is the only thing you can come up with. You obviously don’t understand Scientology. It is about making yourself a better person….that is why you don’t understand because good people don’t criticize.
Has anyone bothered mentioning the fact that Cruise said (or one of his handlers) that he doesn’t use email and is only shown what his people choose to show him from the press? I mean obviously the backlash has gotten back to him (see the EW interview) but he seems to be living on Pluto already.
It doesn’t diminish him as an actor in my eyes mind you. I’ve seen every one of his films in the theater since Mission: Impossible. He’s the only ‘star’ to consistently make entertaining films – even Eyes Wide Shut.
I think as an outsider looking in he deserves a life altering realization about what’s going on. I applaud him for being able to stay in the news for 2 months – 2 months! – before his film opens. Guaranteed that more people are going to see it because the biggest star in the world has been in the public view schilling for not only the film but his young love.
The whole 2 month dating to engagement thing is eerily familiar. I’ve known people within my church that have done that only to end in divorce. Of course the difference between church and Hollywood is that divorce is currency in La-La Land.
When Katie Holmes gets to whatever afterlife is awaiting her and is asked what she ever did in this life worth something, she can say, “Married and divorced Tom Cruise.”
That’s going to be worth something…although the way Cruise is going it may count more against her than anything else.
I have to second the hypothesis about Tom being Bi-Polar.
Kelli, Do you even know what Bi-Polar is?
Because Tom’s behaivor really does come across as someone in a manic episode. I can only imagine how he’ll be when he comes crashing down and hits his “low”.
Fascinating discussion, especially the witheringly well-researched commentary by Xenu; I too would adore seeing him get asked some of those very questions, though probably any reporter in the U.S. known to have the stones to do it would be banned in advance (I think he was completely caught off guard by the Spiegel reporter, though even an earlier Rolling Stone piece portrayed him as somewhat off-key).
I don’t dislike Tom Cruise, I don’t think he’s uniquely talented, but he’s hardly difficult to watch. Although as one Hollywood-based friend of mine observes, “He plays assholes awfully well,” and I am reminded of two of the best performances he’s given: as Lestat in “Interview With the Vampire” (counterintuitive casting that wound up working surprisingly well), and basically, I suspect, as a version of himself in “Magnolia.”
At any rate, as someone basically disengaged from great interest in him or his work (I hated “A Few Good Men” so much that I actually left the theater after 30-40 minutes, yet I’m one of the few who actually loved “Far and Away”), I find his recent public behavior flabbergasting, and cannot help but compare it to what a steady-minded charmer he seemed when he was managed by Pat Kingsley. I am thinking he must have fired her because she had kept the lid on just how obsessed he actually is with Scientology, and denial tends to produce rage, and we’re seeing a version of it here. I think it more than likely that Cruise has wanted to be the Scientology recruiting poster for a long time, and Kingsley refused him, one reason he seems to be in overdrive about it. However, lack of Kingsley has also led to increasingly and openly cynical press coverage, and it’s just the old matter of time (and not much more time, I think) before someone writes the piece that blows his whole image inside-out at last. It does not seem to occur to him that the majority of the world does not even recognize Scientology as a religion, much less as something to admire, and try as he might to improve its image, the more he does try, the more he looks like an obsessed cultist.
This may not hurt in foreign territories though, even Michael Jackson still has a vast following outside the United States, and Cruise’s salary of late appears to be based on his undeniable appeal in countries that happen not to be the one he lives in.
Insider:
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Scientology has always keep the truth away from Tom. I don’t care for Katie right now. Just Tom.
If you want to know something read this carefully and you will understand:
According to a twenty-two year former member, Tom Cruise went somewhat insane while doing Scientology’s secret initiation levels (OT III, the story of the galactic Emperor Xenu). The member from which this information is coming said Cruise was getting his “OT III repair” processing at that time. To prevent a public scene, they quickly got him into some more hypnotic trance induction and mellowed him out.
From another former member’s deposition (Andre Tabayoyon): Tom Cruise’s p.c. (pre-clear) folder was kept in the Gold case supervision (c/s) office which I had access to as a security missionaries. It contains supposedly confidential information derived during auditing sessions. However, the contents of such pre-clear folders have been culled and used against people. It is my opinion, based on my Scientology training, education and experience, that such information is collected by the Scientology organization in order to be able to exert control and influence over people such as Tom Cruise or John Travolta, should they ever attempt to leave the Scientology organization.
Scientology’s control techniques are derived from a collection of sources–some benign, others not. Some of the more benign techniques are plagiarized without recognition from a mish-mash of pop psychology and other psychological and psychiatric schools.
After an individual is hooked by a bait and switch come-on, Scientology uses exercises that covertly put the receiver in hypnotic trance. The purpose of covert trance induction is to increase the subject’s suggestibility and to control the subject’s resources. These techniques are derived from traditional hypnosis and from cult rituals used to produce fanatical loyalty from the inititation rites of past secret societies.
These coercive control techniques alone could explain the many reports of psychosis and suicide in Scientology, but Hubbard went far beyond traditional techniques. He studied and wrote a book on brainwashing, and secretly boasted that his methods could turn people into “willing slaves.” Hubbard combined these new control techniques with the bizarre occult cosmology of his satanic and secret society past, high pressure sales techniques, traditional deception (con man) techniques, and advanced sociological and psychological stress techniques. (For more details on how Scientology uses trance and brainwashing see the Internet report called “Coercive Persuasion and Scientology”.)
Hubbard boldly experimented with first generation Russian and Korean brainwashing processes on unknowing members under a cloak of “religion.” His innovative experimentation helped produce a second generation of thought reform and mind control techniques. These new methods are considerably more dangerous than their first generation predecessors. While developing what Scientology calls its secret L-12 initiation, Hubbard allegedly said that if the initiators performed this rite incorrectly you might as well build a pine box for the individual receiving it.
These second generation thought reform programs are commonly called “coercive persuasion” in the courts. In United States v. Lee 455 U.S. 252, 257-258 (1982), the California Supreme Court found that “when a person is subjected to coercive persuasion without his knowledge or consent… [he may] develop serious and sometimes irreversible physical and psychiatric disorders, up to and including schizophrenia, self-mutilation, and suicide.”
The goal of all coercive persuasion programs is to produce target compliance and control of the target’s resources by holding the target at a point of maximum psychological stress, without inducing psychosis. Unfortunately, the second generation coercive programs have increased the chance of error because their targets tend to be less well monitored, and the advanced techniques used to induce stress are more powerful and less predictable in their effects upon individuals.
In coercive persuasion programs, the main attack is done through frequent and intense attempts to cause a person to reevaluate the most central aspects of their experience of self and their prior conduct in NEGATIVE ways. Efforts are designed to destabilize and undermine the subject’s basic consciousness, reality awareness, world view, emotional control, and defense mechanisms. These tactics are engineered to induce the individual to reinterpret his or her life history and to adopt a new (often irrational) version of causality.
On Scientology’s secret initiations, the individual is told (while under the suggestibility of hypnotic trance and stress) that he or she is really not one individual but a composite of hundreds, possibly thousands, or even tens of thousands of alien beings (called “body thetans” or “BTs.”) These beings are trapped in his or her body as the result of a galactic war that occurred 76 million years ago (OT 3, and OT 5.) Individuals subjected to these initiation techniques are told (while vulnerable) that these alien beings are fighting for control of the individual’s body and identity, that these alien beings can make them act insane or become terminally ill, and that only Scientology has the technology to safely “remove” these alien beings from their bodies.
Members spend sometimes hundreds of hours of exposure to these secret levels, talking to their various body parts, trying to get these alien beings out of their bodies. They are repeatedly told that they could go insane and die if they do anything procedurally wrong while trying to remove these other beings.
In these secret initiation levels, to more effectively attack the person’s core concepts of self, Hubbard’s methods trick the person in trance into believing he is not who he always thought he was. To fragment the individual’s personality and integrity on order to facilitate better initiate control, Hubbard induces a hypnotic state of multiple personality similar to an artificial schizophrenia. Many observers report Scientologists switching “personalities” dramatically and abruptly.
It is no wonder people could become psychotic or suicidal when tricked into deeply believing and acting upon this alien being story when their suggestibility is at its highest and their defenses at their lowest.
Insider:
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Scientology has always keep the truth away from Tom. I don’t care for Katie right now. Just Tom.
If you want to know something read this carefully and you will understand:
According to a twenty-two year former member, Tom Cruise went somewhat insane while doing Scientology’s secret initiation levels (OT III, the story of the galactic Emperor Xenu). The member from which this information is coming said Cruise was getting his “OT III repair” processing at that time. To prevent a public scene, they quickly got him into some more hypnotic trance induction and mellowed him out.
From another former member’s deposition (Andre Tabayoyon): Tom Cruise’s p.c. (pre-clear) folder was kept in the Gold case supervision (c/s) office which I had access to as a security missionaries. It contains supposedly confidential information derived during auditing sessions. However, the contents of such pre-clear folders have been culled and used against people. It is my opinion, based on my Scientology training, education and experience, that such information is collected by the Scientology organization in order to be able to exert control and influence over people such as Tom Cruise or John Travolta, should they ever attempt to leave the Scientology organization.
Scientology’s control techniques are derived from a collection of sources–some benign, others not. Some of the more benign techniques are plagiarized without recognition from a mish-mash of pop psychology and other psychological and psychiatric schools.
After an individual is hooked by a bait and switch come-on, Scientology uses exercises that covertly put the receiver in hypnotic trance. The purpose of covert trance induction is to increase the subject’s suggestibility and to control the subject’s resources. These techniques are derived from traditional hypnosis and from cult rituals used to produce fanatical loyalty from the inititation rites of past secret societies.
These coercive control techniques alone could explain the many reports of psychosis and suicide in Scientology, but Hubbard went far beyond traditional techniques. He studied and wrote a book on brainwashing, and secretly boasted that his methods could turn people into “willing slaves.” Hubbard combined these new control techniques with the bizarre occult cosmology of his satanic and secret society past, high pressure sales techniques, traditional deception (con man) techniques, and advanced sociological and psychological stress techniques. (For more details on how Scientology uses trance and brainwashing see the Internet report called “Coercive Persuasion and Scientology”.)
Hubbard boldly experimented with first generation Russian and Korean brainwashing processes on unknowing members under a cloak of “religion.” His innovative experimentation helped produce a second generation of thought reform and mind control techniques. These new methods are considerably more dangerous than their first generation predecessors. While developing what Scientology calls its secret L-12 initiation, Hubbard allegedly said that if the initiators performed this rite incorrectly you might as well build a pine box for the individual receiving it.
These second generation thought reform programs are commonly called “coercive persuasion” in the courts. In United States v. Lee 455 U.S. 252, 257-258 (1982), the California Supreme Court found that “when a person is subjected to coercive persuasion without his knowledge or consent… [he may] develop serious and sometimes irreversible physical and psychiatric disorders, up to and including schizophrenia, self-mutilation, and suicide.”
The goal of all coercive persuasion programs is to produce target compliance and control of the target’s resources by holding the target at a point of maximum psychological stress, without inducing psychosis. Unfortunately, the second generation coercive programs have increased the chance of error because their targets tend to be less well monitored, and the advanced techniques used to induce stress are more powerful and less predictable in their effects upon individuals.
In coercive persuasion programs, the main attack is done through frequent and intense attempts to cause a person to reevaluate the most central aspects of their experience of self and their prior conduct in NEGATIVE ways. Efforts are designed to destabilize and undermine the subject’s basic consciousness, reality awareness, world view, emotional control, and defense mechanisms. These tactics are engineered to induce the individual to reinterpret his or her life history and to adopt a new (often irrational) version of causality.
On Scientology’s secret initiations, the individual is told (while under the suggestibility of hypnotic trance and stress) that he or she is really not one individual but a composite of hundreds, possibly thousands, or even tens of thousands of alien beings (called “body thetans” or “BTs.”) These beings are trapped in his or her body as the result of a galactic war that occurred 76 million years ago (OT 3, and OT 5.) Individuals subjected to these initiation techniques are told (while vulnerable) that these alien beings are fighting for control of the individual’s body and identity, that these alien beings can make them act insane or become terminally ill, and that only Scientology has the technology to safely “remove” these alien beings from their bodies.
Members spend sometimes hundreds of hours of exposure to these secret levels, talking to their various body parts, trying to get these alien beings out of their bodies. They are repeatedly told that they could go insane and die if they do anything procedurally wrong while trying to remove these other beings.
In these secret initiation levels, to more effectively attack the person’s core concepts of self, Hubbard’s methods trick the person in trance into believing he is not who he always thought he was. To fragment the individual’s personality and integrity on order to facilitate better initiate control, Hubbard induces a hypnotic state of multiple personality similar to an artificial schizophrenia. Many observers report Scientologists switching “personalities” dramatically and abruptly.
It is no wonder people could become psychotic or suicidal when tricked into deeply believing and acting upon this alien being story when their suggestibility is at its highest and their defenses at their lowest.*
Moon, you got a nice way of boring everyone there. Thanks for the novel.
It is sad, though Poland doesn’t explicate clearly enough for me why it is other than perhaps feelings he’s had for Katie Holmes.
http://www.tvgasm.com/archives/miscellaneous_tv/000829.php
Does this remind anyone of TJ Mackey?
What’s sad ultimately is this: a cursory investigation of Hubbard as presented in his military record (let’s for the sake of fairness not include any anecdotes about his time in occult circles with Jack Parsons as) shows a man who had an extraordinary life for his times, but time and again he was only merely mediocre. And so he started to lie about it. One of the saddest examples being a letter he wrote to the VA complaining of suicidal thoughts and perhaps – himself – admitting he needs psychiatric help. Now his followers attack psychiatry.
Hubbard hated the IRS, obviously. But I also believe that somewhere along the line psychiatrists started to make him feel persecuted – there is the curious matter of the note stating “mental” attached to an otherwise decent fitness report – and the documented in military records assault on two submarines off the Oregon coast that five other vessels did not believe to exist.
In the Scientology cosmology, who does the evil Xenu use to abduct the population and send them to Earth? Tax auditors and psychiatrists. Is that a coincidence?
Hubbard, as captured on film in 1968 caught lying, flat out – seems ultimately to have been a sad man who later in life just became mean about it, and bent others to his will to make up for it.
Cruise is a gifted, charismatic individual who was told that he wouldn’t succeed in life due to dyslexia. Scientololgy seems to have helped him with that, and that’s the continual angle. This is no miracle – the videogame designer genius Peter Molyneux is dyslexic and with the help of nontraditional education is doing just fine. It did not require paying for enlightment, however (neurology shows us now anyway that people with traditional learning disabiltiies are not lacking for intelligence whatsoever).
So out of insecurity, the one fatal flaw in Cruise is corrected, and now out of personal insecurity there is a church which requires payment for levels of enlightment and salvation, a class system within where celebrities have their own religious centers… And non celebrities are hoodwinked out of their money to pay for it.
That’s the really sad story. I don’t know Tom Cruise nor will I ever, but it’s obvious that a personal sadness and insecurity in life led him to strengthen his resolve in Scientology which has him spouting lies and makes him look stupid. Not knowing him, he seems like a decent fellow all around, and sharp, and driven, and charismatic… And so if he is shielded by a world which reinforces that which isn’t real, maybe even someone as lowly as an entertainment journalist should present that world to the interviewee, especially when they start espousing beyond movie promotion.
I think it’s sad that katie Got involved with a loser like Tommy! Outside of a few movies his work is border-line crap!! He is a name that sold tickets in the 90’s. His time is up and this is his last chance to hold on to some of the fame he once held! Tom Hanks is 10X the talent Tommy will ever be. You shouldn’r mention the two in the same sentence. I feel bad for katie, she is letting her childhood dream come true. Drwms are meant to be dreams, they are 100% better than the real thing. My only question is this, when will she realize the dream is a nightmare? I give it a few years and after she see that the poster was cuter than the real thing, she walks!! I hope sooner than later for her sake, she has a good future as katie Holmes, not Mrs. Tom Cruise!!
Sad.
http://www.clambake.org/archive/ronthenut/beg.htm
Joe, a novel two times over as well!
“And the whole Scientology thing – I think you need reason to put him down and that is the only thing you can come up with. You obviously don’t understand Scientology. It is about making yourself a better person….that is why you don’t understand because good people don’t criticize.”
Who wants to make bets on how old Kelli is!!
Seriously, you kinda sound like a Katie Holmes plant! I’m sure Tom Cruise has never said a bad word about anybody, right…?
“You obviously don’t understand Scientology. It is about making yourself a better person….that is why you don’t understand because good people don’t criticize.’
I kenw it! the Scientology
there is nothign scarier than a scientology team waiting to take control of someones life. run for ur lives
Poor Tom. He misses Pat Kingsley.
A bad pairing? Who really knows?
Who wouldn’t be seduced by private jet dinners. Legs wrapped around a famous star on a speeding vibrating motorcycle and moonlite walk on a romantic beach by a somewhat aging attractive gazillionaire movie star with a multi-million dollar Beverly Hills mansion. That was a well planned plot. Trips to Rome. etc. etc. even I could have gotten Katie with that going for me. Hell,Tom might even have gotten me.
On the other hand who wouldn’t go for Katie Holmes. Enough said, Period.
I hope not but I think we’ll see a lot of sadness for her. Read Princess Diana. Cruise, a two time marriage looser, getting older and down in the box office needed someone young. He also needs a sperm receptacle to produce children. (If he can, Why didn’t he and Nicole have children?) I expect marriage, children, divorce. The pairing will not last as long as Dawson’s Creek. Then we will have Abandon II or Abandon the Reality Show. I hope I’m wrong but I have a bad feeling about all of this. This is happening much too fast not to be some type of rebound and naivete for her. She has always made some good intuitive decisions (except for Pieces of April). So I really hope this is just some elaborate PR stunt. Doesn’t really look like an engagement ring does it? Maybe a friendship ring. I heard it was professionally appraised for 100K. I would have expected at least a million dollar ring.
Katie will probably get some beautiful children out of it and comfort for the rest of her life. Maybe not a bad deal if she can deal with the heartbreak. But such is the way of life in Hollywood where long marriages are considered to be just 2-3 years before they move on to another roll. Just like when the movie is over or the run of the play ends. They change chatacters and partners. I feel sorry for her and I have already noticed some distrubing negative changes in her mannerisms, body language and expressions during some interviews, which suggest she is getting caught up in all of that LA-Hollywood crap. Personally she should have stayed grounded in Wilmington or NY. Professionally she made the right move.
I feel really sorry for Chris Klein. Who would want to be in his shoes and loose Katie Holmes to that squirrel? But maybe he’s not the man for her either. Still feel sorry for him.
Finally I don’t think the Holmes are too thrilled about it. The pictures of their body language would suggest less than enthusiasm and confidence. But I’m sure Lawyer Daddy Holmes will protect his daughter as much as he can unless she is just totally brain washed by these Scientologist. But there will always be Toledo for her.
Katie deserves better. I hope she is not on a destructive path. She has the classic potential, talent, brains and beauty to rank with the level of Grace Kelly and Lauren Becall.
Why do you feel bad for Chris Klein(yes I read that whole long drawn out posting. I know. I know. Why???)? He got off the Katie train at the perfect time. She is obviously a star F-er and only concerned about her career. Now he is with models. Two at a time at every club. Don’t cry for him.
Why isn’t any journalist out there trying to interview Chris Klein? Seems he has a very interesting story to tell.
The story makin the rounds right now is that Holmes was 5th on his list of prospective wives. The balls on this guy.
u gotta give the guy credit. he shot for the moon. most 40 yr olds have that list in their heads. he actually goes out and does it.
It is really bad press, and even sadder that he actually is seeming to be having some kind of breakdown and no one is actually helping him. someone having an obvious mental trauma, just makes me feel sick to be seeing it.
Mimi Rogers will always be the witch! poor Tom, why! why! why! Tom!. Why not Rob Lowe? not successful enough of course to be interesting
By the way, great post Xenu here
Reading these Scientology descriptions by the LA Court I have a feeling Cruise didn`t got at the top of the Effel Tower to propose…
My god I never knew Scientologists were so fucked up. Jesus.
I also read somewhere many of these celebrities are only Scientologists because they are paid for it. That would make sense, why would anyone actually follow a religon started by clearly a mad man.
I mean just read the mans quotes its clear he was a liar, and the whole religon is a pure sham, how can someone like Tom Cruise not know it? To me that proves he isn’t all that intelligent as some have said.
There is also that story Tom Cruise had a psychotic breakdown while in the ritual for the last initiation phase OT III. Apparently he wanted out, but the Scientologists would not let him leave and were able to convince him to stay.
http://www.factnet.org/Scientology/celebrities.htm?FACTNet
Jesus, all this Scientology crap is fascinating. How could all these celebs follow such a hoax, obviously something we dont know about is going on.
u never knew scientologists were messed up? what planet are u on?
Yeah the whole Scientology thing is friggin screwed up.
If you listen to gossip, it was apparently a major source of friction for Tom and Nicole during their marriage – it seemed as if his attempts to convert her were not quite as successful as Mimi’s work on him. She got involved up to a point, but wouldn’t buy it in the end.
Personally I think Nicole is a smarter cookie than she appears sometimes. Good on her for wading her way out of all that crap, despite the pressure from Tom. Don’t know if Katie will manage as well … shame, that.
You all might want to take this with a grain of salt, but according to IMDB, “Christian Bale, Michael Caine and Morgan Freeman have signed to star in a second Batman movie, but love interest Katie Holmes has been dropped. Movie bosses are thrilled with the response to Batman Begins … and have snapped up the film’s stars for a sequel … But Holmes won’t reprise her role as district attorney Rachel Dawes — reportedly because Warner Bros is angry her engagement to Tom Cruise has stolen media attention away from the movie.”
They must be really pissed, if they said the next movie would have a “stronger actress” as they did. You never see the studios speaking that harshly about stars.
Quoting the IMDB for news? That’s like posting something from a British tabloid as fact.
BluStealer, that’s why I said you might want to take it with a grain of salt.
I thought she was fine. Who did they want? Merryl Streep? Who would believe a 25 yr old that looks like that as a DA anyway?
i think its obvious now. katie sold out to become an a lister. shes gonna write a great book in 15 yrs when shes working on a bad sitcom
They should get Lindsy Lohan to replace her.
I always thought Scarlett Johansson could play a good damsel in distress; however, it would be weird seeing her and Christian Bale be together cause she’s 19.
It’d be TomKat on the screen. And fictionalised.
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How odd though that Katie was in Batman last weekend, Nicole has Bewitched this weekend and Tom has WotW next weekend. Penelope Cruz has “Banditas” out soon doesn’t she?
Kidman would be a great interview right now to ask her about this. If she wants to be honest and take on Tom that is
Yep, leave it to David “Let’s Play It Safe” Poland to conveniently “forget” to mention $cientology as the source of all of Cruise’s problems right now. Every time $cientology attempts a bold PR move, it’s a blunder. This time, they fucked up big time. It’s open season on Scientology now that Cruise is out and about and jumping on couches, growing a 26 year old beard and trying to control an increasingly cult-savvy media. Though they have tried, $cientology cannot sue the Internet! In the words of former $cientology PR guy Robert Vaughn Young, “The Internet is Scientology’s Waterloo, it’s Vietnam.”
I’ll tell you why Tom is promoting Scientology so hard — they want him to. The interest in the cult has jumped by leaps and bounds since all the controversy began. More interest = more MONEY for the organization. To many, Tom is coming across as crazy, but it won’t deter those who see it as possible access to fame and fortune. You can bet that many who join are hopeful of a career (or step up) in showbiz. That is what the “church” is counting on and it seems to be working. Do I think the relationship with Katie is real? Yeah, right.
If Tom and Katie are for real, why must they constantly make out in public to try to convince people? I’m afraid they will actually have to have sex in public before I swallow this hook.
Mr Play It Safe? Please.
I agree that this has gone out of control because Scientology has wanted a change in Tom’s PR diet… and have written so in the the past.
But I disagree that they always blunder on PR. Far from it. They have remarkable control.
What I think has happened here is a lot of trying to patch up past mistakes. Never complain, never explain.
no offense but how has scientology really messed this up? this is tom cruise. hes still going to get the best films and work with the best people and make 40 mill a flick. so hes a nut in real life. what actor isn’t? and scientology gets a cut of all of his money. good deal by them.
$cientology is messing up Tom’s life, and public knows and see it. They control him, but can’t control his mental now.
Tom is one of the most brainwashed scientology member. His case is not special. You see it everyday in scientology all over the world.
They order thier member to have a scientology environment. The kids, the parents, the friends…. and if they don’t want they can go fuck off; and scientology will give you fake friends, it’s what happened with Tom in 1989, when he married Mimi. No Sean Penn, Emilio Estevez anymore (but He still was in Mission Impossible)
The natural mother of Isabella is scientologist. As Connor’s.
Both Tom and Nicole agreed that they will raise the kids in scientology. They signed a presumed contract.
In the divorce papers, they said kidman ask for an arrangment: more money and you can bring the kids up in scientology.
Bang. Bad Nicole, she loves money! dating billionaire…a clue.
Back when Tom Cruise was married to Mimi Rogers there were rumors floating around that he couldn’t father a child. When he and Nicole Kidman adopted their children, I began to believe that rumor. I don’t believe Nicole was pregnant when Tom left her, or if she was pregnant he left her because he knew he couldn’t have been the father. I really believe that Katie Holmes was artificially inseminated and that Tom Cruise divorced Nicole Kidman because she wouldn’t be artificially inseminated.
Oh, Nicole got inseminated all right…but not by him!