The Chester Hates DP String
One of our most prolific blog commenters, Chester, has a beef with me. So, instead of subjecting people to reading through all of this in another posting, I’ve moved it all here. Enjoy.
Responding to this entry, Chester wrote…
Wish I could say I felt sorry for you but I don’t. Sorry, Dave, but you’re no different than any other deadbeat bidder on eBay. I took a look at the auction and honestly don’t see how a responsible adult would have missed the notation about the tickets. Only a naif would think that bidding on an eBay auction – where you are explicitly reminded every time you place a bid that you are entering into a binding contract – would have no repercussions. And, in case you hadn’t noticed, this item was worth $4,000 to a genuine bidder; no surprise there given the HUGE market for these types of event tickets, especially when they can be written off as charitable contributions.
At some point you are going to have to start taking some responsibility for all of the horribly impetuous, immature conduct you’ve engaged in recently.
Posted by: Chester at August 11, 2005 10:28 PM
Just saw your 2:24p addendum. Gimme a break. You’re actually going to pat yourself on the back for this?
Posted by: Chester at August 11, 2005 10:30 PM
I’m not sure that “in no part thanks to me” is a self-back pat, Chet.
And what is this “horribly impetuous, immature conduct (I’ve) engaged in recently” that you are mentioning? Please feel free to be specific, since I have no idea what in God’s name you are refering to.
Posted by: David Poland at August 11, 2005 10:37 PM
Horribly impetuous conduct you’ve engaged in recently:
a) Suggesting just yesterday that Jeff Wells, in order to raise money, should “focus on the popularity he has created for his son in the gay community with the many manly action photos.”
b) Responding to challenges to your statements on this site by fabricating and then attributing statements to your challengers.
c) Your endless, offensive, lascivious focus on nubile young girls.
d) Your overall management of this site, particularly the way you equivocate when confronted with complaints about the harassing contributors on these pages.
And face it: The only reason Universal is letting you off the hook for this is because of your station within the industry. That makes you just like the geekish slug on “Entourage” a couple of weeks ago who had to be appeased to avoid negative “Aquaman” press on his comic-book website.
Posted by: Chester at August 11, 2005 10:50 PM
Wow, Chet… you really hate me.
a) Get a freakin’ sense of humor. Aren’t you the one who suggested that I was suggesting that Jett, who is a perfectly nice heterosexual young man, was gay?
The reality is this… Jett now has a gay following. This is because Jeff seems to like to publish scantily clad photos of his son. He knows about this… I’ve told him. His choice to continue the practice is not my fault.
But mostly, get a sense of humor.
b) fabricating what? what are you talking about?
c) the rage factor seems to have diminshed around the blog. as i wrote before, my alternative is not to ban people, but to shut down commenting. i am not interested in being daddy. and frankly, chet, you seem to be raging more than anyone else these days.
Posted by: David Poland at August 11, 2005 10:57 PM
Oops… forgot to address my lasciviousness. That was “c.”
Are you suggesting that Hollywood doesn’t sell sex? I did a column about the idea that the popular female body images of the moment are more “normal” than the stick figure thing. No question, there are people who found that article disturbing. But I think it is a real issue. I find it disturbing that every commerical for Stealth featured Jessica Biel in a bikini. But I understand why they did it.
There was a piece here on the blog that was a video comment on Jessica Alba saying that she had not used her body as a tool in her career.
And that’s all my online “endless, offensive, lascivious focus on nubile young girls” that I can think of lately. Am I missing something?
Posted by: David Poland at August 11, 2005 11:06 PM
a) Whether or not you implied that Jett was gay, you certainly were explicit (jokingly or not) that Jeff Wells should treat his son as a sexual commodity. I know we’re in Hollywood, where all too many parents sell their kids out all the time, but what you said crossed the line and is still just plain sick – particularly when talking about a colleague.
b) You have gotten into the habit lately of playing to your homeboy base on this site whenever you get into a dispute with anyone here (like me). I haven’t seen this much pandering to the Peanut Gallery since Arsenio Hall went off the air. You make ridiculously broad statements (woof, woof!) and dismiss counterarguments as idiotic without explaining why (woof, woof!). And, yes, Dave, last time you and I disagreed here, you just plain lied and falsely attributed statements to me.
c) The rage factor has not really died down. What’s happened is that certain people have been driven away completely or simply don’t post as frequently as before. Take a look at what still happens almost every time Stella’s Boy opens his mouth on this site: Your homeboys are constantly poised to attack. And, again, yes, Dave, you do have the option of banning people. “i am not interested in being daddy.” = I am not interested in taking any responsibility for what occurs here. Other such sites have established standards with constant monitors, and the discussions stay focused. You apparently can’t be bothered.
It’s not hatred, Dave. It’s just disgust over such blinded, wasted potential.
Posted by: Chester at August 11, 2005 11:18 PM
a) chet… again… humor. Deal with it.
b) You have been claiming that I have some sort of base here that I play to for as long as I can remember you posting. I’ll say it again… I don’t know who is going to respond to what… and I don’t care. I have more than enough people who agree with me. I actually like people to disagree… but not when their idea of discourse is exclusively to keep telling me that I am communicating in a bad way. And, I have no idea when we disagreed or what it was about. But I can pretty well assume that I didn’t lie. Why would I, Chester? Why would I?
c) You are right, Chester. I can’t be bothered. I am not interested in being a monitor. I don’t have time. Abnd for teh most part, it is unneccessary.
I don’t know who most of the people in here are. And that’s just fine with me.
I am trying to be respectful of you by responding to all this. But we are wasting people’s time with this blather.
“Blinded, wasted potential?” Maybe you should change your tag to “Daddy.”
Grudge holders bore me, Chet. Move along.
Posted by: David Poland at August 11, 2005 11:27 PM
“Gay following”? I’m gay, did I miss the memo? And did I miss these scantily-clad photos Wells is supposedly running? Maybe someone can clue me in.
Who’s the grudge holder? You vindictively post a particularly selective thread unquestionably designed to single me out for some kind of ass-whupping, and I’m the one acting out some kind of grudge?
Furthermore, who do you think you’re fooling with your transparently BS concern about “subjecting people to reading through all of this in another posting”? You’ve removed all of my comments from their immediate context, as if your eBay activities had little underlying relevance to my statements. That makes it ever so much easier for you to deny, deny, deny. (I can’t stop laughing at your comment above, “I have no idea when we disagreed or what it was about.” Why don’t you go back and take a look at our lengthy dispute on the “The Numbers Unvarnished” thread from a few days ago.) Now we can all watch as your homeboys – and regulars here all know who they are – marshal their forces, circle their wagons, sharpen their fangs, etc.
That kind of underhanded manipulation of your own blog is typical but fine. It’s your blog, after all, not ours. But, honestly for your own sake, I hope you can get rid of the increasing delusions you have about your own conduct and objectivity. Not to get into any more of what you call “daddy” issues, but you are behaving like a child and the only people who seem to genuinely care about you and this site are the ones who criticize you. The rest are just having a little too much fun – at your long-term expense.
That’s all I intend to say about this right now. I won’t post anything more on this page. It would be nice if those who agree with me (even if just a little bit) would chime in. As things are, though, all I’m expecting is for the vultures here to begin pecking away at me. Be my guest(s). It will just prove my point. And, besides, I’ve got a tough hide.
Chet –
Get some perspective. You attack and attack and attack me. It’s boring. Feel free to argue real issues with me, but your endless analysis of my alleged behaviors on here appears to be a bit obsessive.
You tell me, publicly or privately, what you want me to do. I will shut down comments on this entry if you are afraid of being beat up in here. I will pull the whole thing down.
But frankly, I was as bored reading me defending myself as I was reading your attack. And it is an imposition on others.
I odn’t want to censor you and I don’t want to ban you and I don’t want to have this blog become this internal incestuous bore.
Of course, nothing i say will convince you that I am doing anything but protecting myself and my alleged posse.
Criticize freely, but don’t beat it into the ground… and that is the same advice I have given all the other people who spend too much time backbiting in here.
Just like the people who constantly attack me are boring, right Dave?
Just like anyone who keeps beat the same drum, whether it’s you against someone or someone against you or whatever… it’s like a fucking kindergarten in here sometimes.
Unfortunately, you’re right, it is. And I hate that I got defensive and pissed off. I don’t come here to fight with people, and it certainly isn’t enjoyable when that happens. I don’t pick fights the way others do around here. It’s ridiculous that I was attacked for nothing.
“The idea that some poor first timer might wander into this thread, looking to give me a proper whatfor for my eBay stupidity and being subjected to an in-blog fight that it utterly irrelevant to them was making me feel the need to take action.”
Let’s see, I gave Dave a proper what-for for his stupidity, which led to his defensive demand for an extended explanation of my statements, and now my comments are banished to the hinterlands. What do you think that tells some poor first-timer, let alone everyone else?
Posted by: Chester at August 12, 2005 12:31 AM
It tells them you’re boring, Chet.
Posted by: David Poland at August 12, 2005 12:33 AM
Uh-huh … OK, now we get it … you banish BORING posts from this site. Because that’s what you’ve been doing all along. Banishing all the boring posts.
Well, um, no, you haven’t been doing that. So I guess I must be the first person who ever posted a boring post in the history of this blog. I guess it’s all been nothing but rapturous reading for you, you lucky guy!
Or maybe it’s just that you only define comments to be “boring” when you perceive them to be attacking someone, in this case the unassailable you. Hmmm…
Can we then assume that from this point on you will remove all such “boring” posts contributed by your homeboys? I think that will make Stella’s Boy and other civilized contributors here very happy.
Posted by: Chester at August 12, 2005 12:53 AM
I would be elated if that happened.
Posted by: Stella’s Boy at August 12, 2005 12:57 AM
Well everybody, enjoy this posting while you can. Because Dave Poland’s has just today discovered the power of censorship, and he is exercising it with unprecedented fury all over this page. That is, on every single posting other than the standard ass-kissing ones by his homeboys.
Just further proof that he is being taken over by the dark side.
Posted by: Chester at August 12, 2005 01:20 AM
Dave thank you for finally doing this. Chest, my man, what happend to you? You used to be so kind and considerate? (Heavy sarcasm)
Sweet Christ….what has happened here? Chester….calm down.
NOT to fan the flames BUT….when no one defends you (Chester and Stellas Boy) as you asked people to do, that must tell you something.
I have nothing against anyone on this blog and haven’t really had an interaction with either of you. But after reading all this, it seems like you 2 have attracted some strong negativity and are not seeing why. I may have an inkling…
when it comes to blog comments, message boards, chatrooms, etc. there’s always someone who’s off their meds. I’d rather read lengthy debates than all this dramatic bullshit.
Not looking for anyone to defend me. Just sick of being attacked for no reason, which is exactly what happened in the Fall Preview thread.
You men are such crybabies. Taking everything personal and to heart. You really need to lighten up. It’s sad.
Seems like this Blog has reached Level Red from the Department of Poland Security. Couldn’t be more obvious to me that Davey Boy is the one who needs to chill. He got his underpants in a tight bunch about Chester’s response and then started moving all anti-Poland comments to this page. Now he wants everyone to register. Pretty scary if you ask me.
Obviously you haven’t been reading on here much.
Chester why do you have so much hatred on you? It is a movie site!!
So scary.
First, everyone obviously has too much free time on their hands for all of this to be going on. But Stella is right in that he/she is often attacked for no reason.
What are these attacks? The guy has strong opinions. If he can’t handle it he shouldn’t be posting it. That is the old saying.
As a person who is not a member of “Dave’s Posse,” nor a defender of Chester, I have to say….. What the hell?
Very often Stella will post something innocuous and get pounced on for no reason by a small group of posters who like to taunt and mock him, and then call him a ‘crybaby’ like bullies out of high school when he complains about it.
How ’bout that Kushner?
Auteurs anyone?
Cupcakes?
anything is better than this thread which would better be carried out/continued by email…it would be nicer if this thread would transform into convo about movies. Perhaps Hijack time.
Someone insulted my feminity today–let’s talk about why Lawrence of Arabia can be one of my favorite movies and I am a girl. David Lean can be one of my favorite-est directors of all time, and I am a girl. Adoring either is not the remit of males only. In fact Lean is one of the very few directors who instills alot of Romantic thought into all of his pictures.
I know as many females who love Lawrence as I know males who love Autumn Sonata (yeah, and it’s more than one apiece).
Anyone who takes a blog and commenters too seriously deserves whatever they get. Grow the heck up or you risk looking like a 4 year old school girl.
Registering is scary!! Scary! Like a mix of Damien and witches and a Vin Diesel movie and Freddy Krueger and pics of Jett Wells.
Lota, was it a man or a woman who insulted your femininity by saying only guys can like “Lawrence”? Whichever, it sounds like this person doesn’t know anything about all the non-epic, personal movies Lean made.
It’s kind of like how people always make fun of “fanboys,” as if there are no such thing as “fangirls.” I don’t know about you, but from what I saw the distaff side was well represented opening day of ROTS, for example. And Harry Potter, last time I checked, was very popular with girls of all ages. So don’t feel bad, Lota, some people are just small-minded. But it’s probably best if you don’t tell this nitwit you like math, too.
I know a lot of girls who like fan”boy” movies as much as guys. Don’t be sexist. Inclusion is best.
don’t think blackcloud meant to be sexist Josh…fanperson then. although at comicon, you can see where ‘fanboy’ came from…although the way fans behave (especially towards producers) fantoddler or fanbaby or fanarsehole might be more appropriate.
re. Lawrence it was a male who insulted me thus. I suppose war + isolation + lack of women in the movie may not appeal to women. Anyway…math was my worst subject so I suppose this redeems me.
When I was in the Sahara desert on a motorbike trip with boyfriend, I saw this perfect long winding dune, and it was sunset as well and I made him stop, but I didn’t tell him why because I though he’d make fun of me. So while he sat smoking a cigar on the bike I walked up the leeward side of the dune with my hands clasped behind my back and halfway up the dune my perfect longed for moment from childhood was ruined when I heard him shout out behind me “you are NOT F*cking Lawrence of Arabia!”. Unfortunately one of his favorite movies too so the bastard guessed what I was trying to do. SO when I got to the top of the dune I turned around and gave him the Italian “up yours”. Lota doesn’t have as much self control as Lawrence.
One of the few epics ever made that deserved all of its oscar noms.
I am hoping Terence Malick finally makes a recent epic (the New World) that isn’t loathsome-boring or wrong for the Injuns.
Hard to make a period epic about that time without showing how it really was. The Indians weren’t nice or kind people. Both groups wanted to kill the other for the land. If they won we’d be talking about how they should be nicer to the white man and I’d be running a casino.
I’m just really mad they’re trying to get rid of the name Seminoles from Florida State. My favorite football team. It’s a compliment. You don’t get the Irish complaining about Notre Dame. Sports rant. Beg my pardon. Go Noles!
Glad to see the new sign-in policy hasn’t stopped idiotic postings. š
You’ve forgotten the small detail that the Indians already had the land we were killing them to take. That’s like someone trying to carjack you and then people having people criticise you for defending yourself.
Ooops . . . I think i just gave away my lefty leanings to the lynch mob.
so out of all that I wrote Terence you pick out a small bit and make a racial comment? Nice place your mind is.
A war was declared first on the indians by the invaders Terence by them enslaving them and killing them and treating indians like animals becasue they looked different. And worse yet, when indians decided not to kill off white people, (who kept invading looking for gold) and tried to co-hab and sign treaties, white people kept killing them. National Geographic has excellent archives on how the US government illegally confiscated millions of acres from Indians and ignored their own treaties they signed.
AMericans now a have a favorite holiday which more Americans celebrate than Christmas–Thanksgiving. Thanksgiving was the indians feeding and saving the dwindling tribe of Euros who just didn’t know how to live in the wilderness. But of course most people don’t acknowledge where the holiday began–too embarassing I guess.
Then when the Europeans were strong enough, gazillions more came and basically started the kill/enslavement cycle all over again.
The half-indian in me would have not fed such ingrates.
You clearly need to do a little reading Terence unless you are being facetious–why don’t you start with Christopher Columbus’ own journals which have been translated and are available commercially in unabridged/uninterpreted editions.
The first observation that Christopher Columbus made about Indigenous peoples of the “new world” was that “they would make good slaves” because they carried no weapons and were friendly and trusting, bringing his ship presents and food.
Yeah those indians sure aren’t kind. Guess that’s why 90% of them are dead. They must have deserved it right?
survival of the fittest. sucks but thats life.
The one thing I don’t have, Lota, for the Native Americans is sympathy. So you can preach on all you want about the white man being the devil but I really don’t care. If you actually read a history book or two instead of imagining what went on I’d take you more serious.
All in all I’m not expecting a classic from Malick about this era. I’m expecting a 6 hour movie with no plot.
Krazy eyes–that is not “left” at all–it’s facts.
It is a well documented fact that there was an extermination policy again Indigenous people in North America well into the 1970s–with the forced sterilization of Indian women.
People who don’t want to acknowledge why 90% of Indians died out are as bad as people who claim the holocaust didn’t happen.
What did you learn in those history books Terence? Enlighten us. What really happened?
You guys are too fast for me… there is a new post on all this… re-post anything you like…
I have no sympathy for anyone Terence, but I am in possession of the facts, you are not and choose to believe the reasons for extinction of many tribes of peoples.
Many cowboy & frontier “historians” have been shown to be liars and telling wonderful tales of the nice christian white people who “made” this country.
The library of COngress and National Geographic society and many other organizations safeguard the Original documents that tell a different tale than the whitewashed 1800s-1930s versions where people did not want o accept their responsibility.
you know that great revered historian Samuel ELiot Morison? Well he is actually related to me, and he like many “historians” were shown later to have not used facts in their interpretation of history. It doesn’t make Morison a “bad” person, but he mislead many with his interpretations because he was either in not possession of orginal transcripts (indian treaties etc & translated Columbus diaries) or he ignored them.
In this country, many untrue foundations of history were described by the “rulers” about indians, blacks, jews and women. If you want the facts you go to the original sources.
It is very telling to look at French and German “histoy” books written from 1928-1945–a number of facists leaning/nazi sympathizers completely rewrote history and had millions “buying” it.
I don’t read “history” books, I get source materials. Your taxes pay for it, you can get a copy f just about anything form the Library of Congress inclusing some very telling court cases involving Indian massacres and Calvary etc
One of the best cases is the Inquiry to the Sand Creek Massacre. CNN carried an excerpt of it for awhile.
The Indians did lose this. If they had won we’d be watching the Washington Honky’s on sundays. Crackers would fit too.