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By David Poland poland@moviecitynews.com

Thursday Slog…

I have something in my chest… not thinking flu… but feeling a little like John Hurt.
There’s a 20 Weeks column going up in a little while that might offer some conversational fodder.
Have you been looking at , the new NYT Oscar blog, The Carpetbagger?
Are you interested in Time-Warner trying to compete with Defamer?
I’m sure I’ll think of something worth blogging after lunch…

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31 Responses to “Thursday Slog…”

  1. Hopscotch says:

    Or we could ponder if Jeff Wells is being to nit-picky in his review of Munich, or if it’s an honest assessment of a movie that while well-made is not at that “great movie” level.
    Well, I never though Million Dollar Baby was the masterpiece that all the critics built it up as. My guess is that Brokeback will be the critics darling and sweep all of those awards, and Munich will take the gold.
    Hope you feel better Dave.

  2. BluStealer says:

    Tough to compete with Defamer. But you have to try.

  3. Bruce says:

    Considering I haven’t seen either movie yet, I have to say that I don’t see Brokeback passing Munich. The reviews I have read on Brokeback has it all over the map. Mostly uniform in their praise of the acting especially of Michelle Williams. But the movie itself hasn’t been getting the all together great reviews that proceed major award winners. A lot of its award credibility will depend on the box office.

  4. bicycle bob says:

    john hurt in the elephant man???

  5. Haggai says:

    Er, I assume DP meant John Hurt in Alien. Creature busting out of the insides and all.
    Or, if you prefer, John Hurt in Spaceballs. “Hello my honey, hello my baby, hello my ragtime gal…”

  6. jeffmcm says:

    How about John Hurt in Skeleton Key…Poland has been less contentious about other journalists lately, maybe he’s not feeling quite himself…

  7. Lynn says:

    Hope you feel better soon!

  8. PandaBear says:

    John Hurt peaked in Spaceballs.

  9. Sanchez says:

    Match Point – Calling this film “Woody Allen’s best in years” is akin to calling it “Pauly Shore’s best ever!”
    I am dying of laughter from that one from the column.

  10. sky_capitan says:

    that tmz site feels, unimpressively, more like eonline, not defamer.
    “Farrellys and Knoxville to Take on Special Olympics” The Ringer is old old old news, but headlines like that give the impression it was just announced. I saw the trailer for that months ago and loved it (and why isn’t there any good comedies this month? the only thing I can think of is The Family Stone, which the banner ad on MCN reminded me).
    Most confusing headline for me, anyway, at tmz?
    “EXCLUSIVE: Judge Bans Topless Photos of Jen
    TMZ obtains secret court order
    By TMZ.COM STAFF
    (Dec. 7) — TMZ has obtained an order, issued yesterday by a judge in England, prohibiting anyone from publishing or attempting to publish topless photos of Jennifer Aniston. The photos in question reveal Aniston topless on the balcony of her home.” Is that poorly written or is it just me who reads it and thinks it’s TMZ that wanted to have Aniston’s latest topless photos banned?

  11. sky_capitan says:

    well okay it might just be me, because makes it clearer later in the article who wanted the order. But still… they suck.

  12. jeffmcm says:

    Was somebody complaining about a lack of good comedies this month? Because The Ringer is scheduled for Dec. 23.

  13. Mr. Emerson says:

    A great 20 Weeks which really puts things into perspective…
    In early September I had felt that the Oscars would come down to Munich v. The Producers, with Rent and Brokeback Mountain running as second favorites. Now with Rent out of competition and The Producers facing a death knell, the true picture has emerged.
    I thought that less emotional manipulation would be a good thing, leading to more honest filmmaking. Apparently Spielberg has reached a point where people expect HIM to MAKE them feel something deep, though I don’t know if Munich’s failure at this end was due to bad Spielberg work (which I don’t think it is) or an audience not fully engaging in the film.
    Brokeback Mountain should settle in very well, same with Walk the Line. I am anxious to see the former because Walk the Line, in my opinion, isn’t strong enough to be Best Picture. Far from it. Brokeback Mountain, on the other hand, seems full of possibilities, especially after reading Holden’s piece where he compares Ledger to Brando at his best. That’s a tough claim to make good on.
    Now I am hugely excited about King Kong and already have my ticket for Wednesday night. I think it will be a tremendous film. But it’s not big-Oscar material. King Kong takes you to the deepest realms of fantasy and adventure, like a wonderful childhood dream, which is exactly why it could push a man like Jackson to such heights. But the Academy has never gone for a film like Kong before. If it does, and this is a BIG IF, it could very well turn many ideas about the Oscars on their head.
    Otherwise, no other film is taking a good contender’s position right now, though I would love seeing The Constant Gardener pick up another nod for Meirelles. It’s funny. The season seemed so full of promise last month, but mayber Jarhead slipped something in everyone’s tea because all of these highly-touted films are either getting no raves or making no impact and that adds up to few Oscar options. Sort of sad, but it seems only fitting in this dreadful year.

  14. bicycle bob says:

    i can’t remember a weaker best pic race. munich will have to fall on its face to lose this.

  15. Joe Leydon says:

    Saw a trailer for “Inside Man” before last night’s screening of “King Kong.” Lots of hype for Clive Owen, Denzel Washington and Jodie Foster. Movie looks like it might rock. But… no mention of the director until the very end. And even then — only in an on-screen credit box. If you’re not looking for it, you might miss it. Is Universal trying to downplay the fact that this is a Spike Lee movie?

  16. MattM says:

    Yes. Lee’s had a nasty string of stinkers (at least from a commercial perspective) lately. His last commercial success is “Original Kings of Comedy,” which can’t really be credited to him at all. Before that, you’ve got to look back to “Malcolm X” to find a 25M+ grosser from Lee.

  17. Bruce says:

    Wouldn’t you want to downplay it’s a Spike Lee Joint if you had his box office numbers? Not like he’s a hitmaker. Can’t remember the last successful film he had.

  18. Scooba Steve says:

    Is anyone else getting a Titanic feeling from Kong now? There’s so much these two films have in common and I’m guessing if it IS a genuine weep factory toward the end and manages to really capture the public’s heart, Jackson and his monkey will become the Oscar frontrunner in the next couple of weeks. The Coldplay ads certainly want you to see it that way.
    If audiences react the way Peter Travers did this week, it’s a shoe-in.
    And did anyone catch Adrian Brody on Charlie Rose this week? Could be the most uninteresting interview I’ve ever seen with an actor. As opposed to Heath “Fidget” Leger the following night who seemed REALLY uncomfortable but still thoughtful with the host.

  19. James Leer says:

    “Titanic” is exactly why I think “Kong” might have an Oscar shot beyond craft nominations. The two films really do have a surprising lot in common (some specific shots even seem purloined from the Cameron movie) in addition to an “epic” three-hour running time, a muscular, romantic lead female performance, a lot of boat time, a similar denouement, etc. “Kong” really works the “Titanic” vein of action leavened with impossible romance. I know, I know. Monkeyshines. But wait til you see it.
    Interesting that “Brokeback Mountain” is evoking a lot of “Titanic” comparisons this year, too. Will “Munich” be the “LA Confidential”?

  20. LesterFreed says:

    I wouldn’t be comparing Titanic and Kong.
    Kong didn’t have the terrible early buzz that Titanic overcame.
    And how can Brokeback be Titanic? I just don’t get it. Is there any action besides the man on man in Brokeback?

  21. Scooba Steve says:

    Also, do you think Jackson may have intentionally sabotaged the romance angle of Brody/Watts to steer us into the Kong/Watts love?
    I remember thinking that’s what Tim Burton did in his Planet of The Apes remake by making the gorgeous Estella Warren just eye candy compared to the hairy, feral (though passionate) Helena Bohnam Carter. You couldn’t blame Marky Mark for going ape at the end.
    Just wondering if this “dramatic letdown” be a professional foul on the part of Jackson.

  22. BluStealer says:

    There wasn’t even a choice for Marky Mark in Apes. He had to go with the ape. They were like made for each other.

  23. Eric says:

    Wow! Leon Wieseltier just eviscerated Munich in The New Republic.
    See:
    http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=20051219&s=diarist121905

  24. Haggai says:

    Another review based largely on politics, and again, not from a movie critic. Won’t mean much to me until I’ve seen the movie.

  25. Josh says:

    I really don’t care what a political writer thinks of a film. If I am going to read a review I want people who watch films for a living giving me my review. These other guys all have agendas.

  26. Eric says:

    I think the content of a movie is up for discussion by any thoughtful writer. If he were criticizing it on a technical level– the cinematography or the editing, say– it would be easy to discount his opinion.
    I don’t know if I agree with him or not, as I haven’t seen the movie. But it’s an interesting viewpoint.

  27. Josh says:

    I’m sure you’re going to see a thousand reviews by people like this. They’re not really reviews though. They’re more like agenda filled pieces that just use the movie without going into anything about the movie.

  28. Scooba Steve says:

    This Leon Wieseltier shoots from the hip.
    Can someone link me to his Pooty Tang review?

  29. sky_capitan says:

    Hmmm so The Ringer is out on the 23
    and Fun With Dick And Jane this month
    I guess I’m not paying attention
    And I’ll take The Ringer to beat Fun With Dick And Jane, and then there’ll be some stories about whether Jim Carrey is past his prime

  30. jeffmcm says:

    To change the subject…Paramount is acquiring Dreamworks? That seems like a shocker.

  31. KamikazeCamelV2.0 says:

    Sorry, to change the subject back for a sec. I must be the only thinking that quite a few people won’t get the romance in King Kong as they did with Titanic because, ahem, it’s between a woman and a giant ape.
    Like, Titanic was huge because women (and a few men, naturally) wanted that romance. I doubt many are going to be swooning over Kong.

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