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Because This Kind Of Thing Never Happens…

Charles Taylor, formerly of Salon, explaining one of the realities of Traditional Media to blogger Jeremiah Kipp.
“I was told at various times that there were people I criticized in pieces who should not be criticized because they were ‘friends of Salon’, in one case because one person I criticized was the friend of a specific editor. That is part of the context of what happened. It wasn’t like I was told, ‘You can

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27 Responses to “Because This Kind Of Thing Never Happens…”

  1. Fades To Black says:

    I would hope they would have some editorial integrity there. Online media should be held to the same standard as print media.

  2. joefitz84 says:

    I liked Taylor as a film reviewer. One of the only reasons to hit up Salon. I always wondered what happend to him. He just disappeared from there.

  3. Yodas Nut Sac says:

    Did anyone read that article on Taylor????
    The man liked MISSION TO MARS. Wrote up a defense of it.
    MISSION TO MARS!
    I don’t think Brian Depalma could write up a defense of that movie he did for a new extension on his mansion and some meal money.

  4. jesse says:

    YSN, I half-liked DePalma’s MISSION TO MARS. Protracted and corny set-up, yes. Clunky and dopey climax, yes. But the middle section of it — mainly the “abandon ship” section, and the stuff immediately before and after that — actually held me pretty captivated.
    And I’m not even a Kael-level DePalma DeFender. I think he’s fascinating and frustrating in equal measure.
    (FEMME FATALE was totally underrated, though.)

  5. PandaBear says:

    No matter what he does and how abd it is I can watch a DePalma movie and appreciate it. “Snake Eyes” is a terrible film. But I can watch that first twenty minutes anytime. Looking forward to “Black Dahlia” too.

  6. Sanchez says:

    I’ve read some uneven reviews of early screenings of Dahlia. Mainly bashing Josh Hartnett but what do you expect?

  7. Crow T Robot says:

    Though both not what they used to be… I’ve always been more of a Lawrence Kasdan kinda guy than a DiPalma guy.
    Both are great genre jumpers, but DiPalma always seemed to have a snob streak (“we get it dude, you’re really smart”). While Kasdan seems to put his great love of movies on the screen… even when he fails there’s a giddiness about them.

  8. Crow T Robot says:

    “De Palma” rather!

  9. Aladdin Sane says:

    On DePalma – agreed he can be a frustrating director, but ‘Femme Fatale’ is fantastic. I had fun rewatching it to pick up all of the clues that I had missed out on the first viewing in a theater. I can’t remember all of the criticisms leveled against it, but I’m glad I didn’t listen to them. It’s a fun film in many respects, and even if it doesn’t achieve perfection, it’s damn good.
    On Taylor – I miss reading his stuff on Salon. I didn’t always agree with him, but he wrote good, well thought out arguments. The problem with great film criticism is because it doesn’t pander to the studio’s dream it is not listened to. The only reason people pay attention to Ebert is because he has had a TV show for 3 decades now. If he was just starting out today? He’d be DOA. Like Taylor says, people want to be told that ‘Men In Black 2’ is a worthy sequel because some editor’s kid liked it. I don’t know what’ll happen in the next twenty years, but hopefully real criticism isn’t going the way of the dodo.

  10. Bruce says:

    How many real critics are out there right now anyway?

  11. Aladdin Sane says:

    Good question…
    May as well get it over and done with. Roger Ebert would be on the list.
    Tony Scott.
    Charles Taylor.
    That’s three for me.

  12. Terence D says:

    I don’t know if they’re real critics or whatever the term is but I like reading the thoughts and opinions of
    Jeffrey Anderson
    Jami Bernard
    Roger Ebert
    Lou Lumenik
    And obviously Dave Poland and I’ve gotten into Ray Pride too.

  13. Josh says:

    I miss Gene Siskel. Them trying to pass off Roper as Gene is insulting. Ebert should have kept up the rotating host thing he had going.

  14. Charly Baltimore says:

    Roeper doesn’t bother me that much. But it’s not like I watch or used to watch the show at all. His writing is pretty solid though.
    I like Owen Gleiberman and Ken Turan. Might not always agree but I like how they write.

  15. jesse says:

    Roeper is likably toolish, if that makes any sense. He and Ebert doesn’t have that Siskel/Ebert chemistry but they’re still pretty entertaining.
    Owen Gleiberman is awful. I used to like his reviews pretty well until I realized they all sound almost exactly alike. You can seriously annotate them for the same phrases and words that turn up time after time after time. It sounds catchy and clever at first until you start noticing it in EVERY review he does. Like when he calls something an “[adverb] [adjective] of [adjective/noun] [noun]”… (sometimes dropping the “of”)… for example, The Man in the Yellow Hat, for example, is an “affably game science nerd.”
    This is especally easy to do at home if you zero in on any of his favorite words: “fractious,” “crackpot,” “zip” and/or “zapped,” “winkingly,” “glitter,” “kiddie,” “prankster” or “prankish,” “marvel,” “media-age”…
    So he might call something “a crackpot marvel of winking zip,” or “a fractious mess of kiddie glitter,” or if he’s feeling extra suacy, a “winkingly prankish marvel of media-age zap.”
    He also loves the dash-phrases, because apparently his ideas are too big for normal words. Date Movie is a “how-crude-can-you-go hodgepodge”; Julianne Moore is playing a “lower-rung-of-the-middle-class role”; and there’s a “what-in-God’s-name-is-he-doing-there lumberjack Woodsman” in Hoodwinked.
    I could go on. Argh. Drives me crazy.

  16. PandaBear says:

    Roeper is trying to be Ebert. Not a bad man to emulate and follow but he needs his own identity there. It’s like Ebert is on a show with his little kid brother.

  17. jeffmcm says:

    Ebert. Armond White. Matt Zoller Seitz. Jonathan Rosenbaum. Andrew Sarris. Joe Bob Briggs.

  18. palmtree says:

    Dargis. Chocano. Lane. Morgenstern sometimes.

  19. Mark Ziegler says:

    Lately, all criticism feels the same. Maybe its because they don’t have a lot of words to play with and they have to condense their reviews into neat, tidy newspapers. But I want more than that. I want more than a synopsis of the plot and one word zingers on the acting.
    I’d rather read a column on a movie after it has a chance to set in like with Ebert or Poland or Wells. A different insight than the usual paint by numbers.

  20. Jimmy the Gent says:

    For those who are interested, I’ve been conducting a series of interviews with movie critics. I’ve done six of them. They include: Owen Gleiberman, Jami Bernard, Janet Maslin, Mike Clark, Glenn Kenny, and David Edelstein. You can find them at the website rockcritics.com. DP has posted links to some, but not all, of the interviews.
    The purpose of the interviews is to find out what makes movie critics tick. Check ’em out if you’re interested in movie criticism.
    I’m almost finished with an interview with a female critic. Any suggestions would be welcomed.

  21. joefitz84 says:

    That’s a good list to start off Jimmy. Diverse.
    I’d try to get a net critic involved. See it from their perspective. Maybe a McWeeny from AICN.

  22. Angelus21 says:

    I can do an overrated/hack critics list more easily than doing a good critics list.

  23. Angelus21 says:

    Gleiberman has the plum slot though. In Entertainment Weekly. Read by millions. I wonder if people actually use critics to base their movie going on.

  24. THX5334 says:

    I second the nomination for Dargis as another female choice .
    I also like Elvis Mitchell tho he’s not really in the game anymore.
    I’m sorry but I can’t stand Anthony Lane. I don’t care if he’s one of Kael’s disciples, he’s got to be the most self-important pretentious writer ever.
    And, I don’t care how anyone feels about McWeeny’s politics or ethics, he writes good movie reviews.
    Nick and Devin at Chud deserve respect too.

  25. Sanchez says:

    What’s Elvis Mitchell doing now? Does he have a studio job?

  26. PandaBear says:

    Last I heard he was teaching courses at Harvard.

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