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Lady In The Water

How does one critique Lady in the Water?
The movie is so steeped in so much stuff that has nothing to do with whether a movie is good, bad, or indifferent. There are, obviously, the other movies M. Night Shyamalan has made. And there is the book that tells the saga of the birth and production of the film, written by Michael Bamberger, but clearly loaded with Night’s voice, that tells its readers more than anyone needs to know about the making of the film before the film is seen.
Thing is, I liked Lady in the Water more than I liked The Village. And to me, it was another variation on Signs

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28 Responses to “Lady In The Water”

  1. MattMcD says:

    He tries to make a bedtime story “real” and in the process creates something more artificial than any fairy tale.
    The whole film comes off as equal parts misguided ideas, unrestrained self-love and sour grapes. The character of The Writer is so transparent it would be disturbingly narcissistic even if it wasn’t played by Night himself.
    Giamatti works as hard as anybody ever has, but every other member of the exceptionally talented cast is waisted. He put Bill Irwin in a role where he doesn’t even move, fer cryin’ out loud.
    It’s a really pretty poster, though.

  2. MASON says:

    Any prediction on the opening numbers? People seem to think it will have a big opening because of Night’s name, but I have a bad feeling it’s going to bomb — like open with, I don’t know, 15 mil or so. What do you think, DP? What’s it tracking at?
    Thanks.

  3. Telemachos says:

    I thought it was tracking in the mid- to high-20s. I don’t think that qualifies as a “bomb”, but anything under $30 million would have to be considered a disappointment, IMHO… assuming that its legs aren’t going to be great.

  4. ployp says:

    Sounds very confusing, not a good thing. I’m glad to hear that Shyamalan has stopped going for the expected surprised twist ending.

  5. David Poland says:

    With four openings, this weekend is going to be a tracking fiasco. But it’s doing ok… I agree that it will underperform the normal expectations… but $15m would be a surprise.
    (Is this Suprise Week or what?!?!?! I feel like I am writng that word every 3 minutes.)

  6. TMJ says:

    For all its faults (and there are plenty), LADY is intoxicating. I can’t stop thinking about all of the things I loved about it … most of which trace back to Giamatti.
    I openly acknowledge the film’s problems, but I still found a lot to like.

  7. THX5334 says:

    “Fuck M. Night Shamylan. Fuck him up his stupid ass.”
    Sorry. With all the Kevin Smith writings going on today, and with the above quote being the feeling of sentiment towards Night – just had an uncontrollable urge to post that.

  8. Telemachos says:

    LITW is running 10% at Rotten Tomatoes right now… and some of the reviews are truly vitriolic.
    If this keeps up I might start feeling sorry for Night.

  9. martindale says:

    I left the screening of this film a bit confused as well. I didn’t hate it, but I really can’t say that I liked it. I may have to see it again. I can tell you that this film will not find much mainstream success. It may gross $25-$30 mil on opening weekend, but I’ll be shocked if it makes over $75 mil total.

  10. Richard Nash says:

    I have a feeling this movie could be CITIZEN KANE 2 and it will get ripped apart at the seems. Hollywood brings you up. Takes you down.
    Welcome to the game, M Night.

  11. David Poland says:

    Agreed, Nash… but Night has played the game awfully well for a long time already….

  12. jeffmcm says:

    We all know critics can be petty, but they also don’t go after a target unless they’re pretty confident of its weakness, and this movie looks pretty weak.

  13. Eddie says:

    I know I

  14. jeffmcm says:

    It’s true that, regardless of the crappy quality of Shyamalan’s scripts, that his movies are always extremely well-crafted, thanks to Howard and to his various cinematographers.

  15. palmtree says:

    The comparison Night probably was looking for is Hitchcock/Herrmann. Howard’s scores play with those darker ambiguous harmonies that were Herrmann’s signature, and Night’s films naturally set themselves up for that type of horror/mystery scoring. For example, the Signs opening theme is all Herrmann.

  16. Goulet says:

    Everyone’s wrong but me… Plus about 200 people who saw the movie at the same time tonight.
    Folks laughed, jumped in their seats, cried… No one works an audience like Shyamalan does.
    My favorite movie of the year so far is Soderbergh’s BUBBLE, the most anti-commercial flick there is.
    But there is something to be said about crowd-pleasing films. People fucking clapped during LADY IN THE WATER tonight, and I gladly joined in.
    This is E.T. with grown-ups, LOTR in the real world.
    I’m a critic, and I still wonder what the hell critics are thinking!

  17. jeffmcm says:

    Porn movies are pretty good at ‘working the audience’ too.

  18. Krazy Eyes says:

    The Rotten Tomatoes CotC rating is a flatlined 0% right now. I wonder how long that will hold out?
    I still might catch this at some point. I find Night incredibly irritating is his extreme earnestness but SIGNS is the only one of his film that has truly disappointed me and even that one had some good elements.

  19. Stella's Boy says:

    I love it when people insist that the audience they saw it with cheered and clapped and laughed and couldn’t possibly have enjoyed the movie more. And not just a few people, but the entire theater. Does anyone really buy that? Does it change anyone’s mind?

  20. Telemachos says:

    Goulet, your review at Rotten Tomatoes is the single shining exception — even the other positive ones are somewhat muted in their praise. Perhaps Night should hire your audience to help fill theaters around the country this weekend, to goose the rest of the crowd.

  21. KamikazeCamelV2.0 says:

    Stella, I never believe people when they say they entire audiences clapped and cheered after a movie such as this. The only movie I’ve been to where large parts of the audience clapped was Moulin Rouge! on opening night and Return of the King after a cinema marathon involving all three films – and they’re movies that lend themselves to that sort of feverish reaction.
    I believe people even less when they say audiences clapped and cheered at TRAILERS.
    This ain’t Cannes we’re talking about.

  22. Cadavra says:

    People DO clap and cheer at trailers–especially the ones I make! 🙂

  23. Telemachos says:

    Yeah, the clapping/applause might be more prevalent in SoCal, but just last weekend (for example) at a screening of P2, the audience cheered, laughed, and clapped for the Snakes on a Plane trailer. It wasn’t an amazingly loud LOTR/SW fanboy response, but I’d say a good portion of the audience joined in.

  24. Wrecktum says:

    I’ve seen applause at the end of a movie, but never cheering. Cheering is for sporting events and rock concerts.

  25. Lota says:

    Well Wrecktum I have seen cheering (and ok I Admit i did it too) at the end of This Is SPinal Pap.
    Well it was the first time I saw it on the big screen…too young for its first run.
    We pretended like it was a concert.

  26. Eric says:

    There was some scattered applause at the Transformers trailer I saw last week. That sure took me by surprise.

  27. KamikazeCamelV2.0 says:

    Okay “scattered applause” I can sort’ve believe, but what about that other dude who said the entire cinema was hootin’ and hollerin’ at the teaser? Gimme a break.

  28. Eddie says:

    When I saw The Hulk teaser, the whole theater erupted. And during the original Spider-Man teaser too–when it’s revealed that the bank robbers chopper has been caught in a giant web, the crowd went crazy.
    Off the point, but that was one of the best teaser’s ever made. I wish they released it on the DVD.

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