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By David Poland poland@moviecitynews.com

The Toronto Wrap 1

In an internet driven era, full of fire and speed and the ultimate in misleadingly independent minded hype, the word “good” is similar to the word “neat,” as spoken to Madonna by Kevin Costner infamously in Truth or Dare. “Good” has no value to those who are desperately hungry to be “great.”
But before you start pointing fingers at the studios or the increasingly self-limiting domestic theatrical distribution system or The Great Unwashed, I would argue that we should look first at both our expectations and what filmmakers considered “indie” are actually making these days.

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16 Responses to “The Toronto Wrap 1”

  1. Crow T Robot says:

    Jesus Dave, I couldn’t get through four paragraphs. It’s a film festival, not The Warren Commission. Just tell us what movies you liked, dude.

  2. David Poland says:

    You kind of make my point, Crow.
    You want my Top and Bottom 10… others want “The Warren Commission” or even just something more thoughtful than “I like this” and “I hate that.”
    Sorry you find the piece frustrating, but I can live with that.

  3. jackfly11 says:

    I’m with you on this, Crow T. This isn’t a wrap up piece at all but rather a state-of-the-biz report very long on detail and short on any TIFF content.
    Sorry Dave…don’t call it a Toronto Wrap if it’s not. I scanned the article and can’t find a single film title in here that was in play at this year’s festival. Exactly how is this relevent to TIFF 2007?

  4. IOIOIOI says:

    Heat: Crow does have a point. You sort of achieved Jeremy Smith levels of rambling with that piece. I commend you on such an achievment.

  5. David Poland says:

    Let me know whether it was a Toronto wrap after Pt 2.
    But the real point is that there are bigger issues at play right now than thumbsup or down… no?

  6. bipedalist says:

    Part two gets you the full load.
    It’s all giving me a stomach ache anyway.

  7. Ian Sinclair says:

    Sorry Dave, that was just so…turgid. Wake me up for the wrap up.

  8. Jeffrey Boam's Doctor says:

    Dave I think is correct even though it makes for sluggish reading. Most of you don’t agree with his taste so why do you care what he thinks?. It’s not like he saw small gems like Furman’s THE TAKE or Korine’s MR LONELY to recommend to you and you can find opinions on the Coen’s film and other high profile titles from 100 bloggers/reviewers who were there. Plus we all know now he walks out of films after 42m šŸ˜‰
    Dave does his own thing and like it or not, he’s doing work that most others don’t even attempt in this thumbs up or thumbs down world.

  9. Noah says:

    See, Dave is doing actual reporting and research in this piece and maybe that makes it tough for some to read, but I’m guessing that this is set-up for the second part. As someone who writes for this site and just basically state my opinion, it’s nice to know that somebody is actually looking at finding some actual FACTS when it comes to a subjective medium like film.
    I can’t wait for Toronto Part II with DP: this time he’s pissed!

  10. IOIOIOI says:

    There are ways to do actual reporting and research that does not come across as RAMBLING. Respect the brothers right to ramble as much as you want, but he is still rambling in this piece. No matter how insightful Heat intends to be with his coverage of the business of art.

  11. PastePotPete says:

    This is actually why I read Poland’s work. NOBODY else writes in this detail about this kind of stuff. If they do, please link me.
    This kind of industry analysis is rare and what Poland does best. IMo it’s far more relevant than what Poland thinks the Oscar buzz on Elizabeth 2 is now or whatever.

  12. bobbob911 says:

    Maybe, but I remember a time when Dave’s writing was 3/4 movies, 1/4 industry. Now its the opposite (and thats being generous – nearly every entry has some industry tilt to it)

  13. Aris P says:

    The machinations of this degenerate industry are far more interesting than 95% of the “films” they release, in my opinion. What gets a little tedious, however, are all the numbers that David posts in his articles. It’s like an algebra class all over again.

  14. Monco says:

    I really liked the article and the fact that he writes about this is why I love to read this blog. I find it really interesting.

  15. PastePotPete says:

    “Maybe, but I remember a time when Dave’s writing was 3/4 movies, 1/4 industry. Now its the opposite (and thats being generous – nearly every entry has some industry tilt to it)”
    It could be worse, he could’ve written another piece where auditions to be a Broadway producer.

  16. seenmyverite? says:

    here’s to the bigger issues at play in the fields of TIFF.
    that is to say, uh, thumbs up. both of ’em…

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