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By David Poland poland@moviecitynews.com

Assassination Throwdown

I would be writing about the assassination invocation… but I don’t really know how I feel about it yet.
My first instinct was that it was completely intentional, as have “misspoken” comments about race, etc, launching public debate then apologized for. But it seemed the screaming from some was excessive.
But now, it is looking like there may be a longer run of planting this seed than I realized.
Still not sure though. The race – no pun intended – is over either way. But the rage just keeps getting piled onto when it should be subsiding.

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20 Responses to “Assassination Throwdown”

  1. Joe Leydon says:

    You know, people have said and written a lot (and rightly so) about how nasty and divisive the competition between Clinton and Obama has become, and how utterly shameless (if not borderline unhinged) Clinton has been sounding in her recent speeches. But here

  2. IOIOIOI says:

    McCain can only do so much against Obama. Until people see them standing next to one another. Once the country sees the feible old man standing next to the youth and vigor that Obama some how manages after a year of rigourous campaigning. It’s over. He’s 71. Does the country really want a 71 year-old man as president? I would go with… nah. Nevertheless; Hillary wanted to win by any means necessary. It’s understandable, but she may want to retire. Her place at the table seems to be… diminishing.

  3. Blackcloud says:

    “Does the country really want a 71 year-old man as president?” Maybe. We’ll find out in November. No one should be surprised if it does. Not even you, IO. As for youth and vigor, Obama has it on youth, but it’s a wash on vigor.
    As Drudge is pointing out at the top if his site, Hillary’s historical analogy is not only invidious, but it’s also bogus. The primary schedule was totally different in 1968; RFK would have been killed in early April by this year’s calendar. On the other hand, shit does happen. Remember Paul Wellstone?

  4. IOIOIOI says:

    Cloud… maybe? Really? You teach history and you are going with “maybe”? Oy. A lot of people have found their GUY. The GOP strategist can feel the way they do, but he’s McBush. All they have to do is sell McBush and there you go.

  5. jeffmcm says:

    There’s a long way until November, IOI.

  6. IOIOIOI says:

    A long way to November? Are you two really going to believe the Hillary tact (not the whole assasination thing but the whole “THERE HAS TO BE SOMETHING WRONG WITH OBAMA” thing)? Really? So be it. I still refuse to buy into this hullabuloo that a 71 year-old man can lead this country. He’s McBush for a reason.

  7. Blackcloud says:

    Not the Hillary tack, but the history tack. Or as Harold Macmillan said, “Events, my dear boy, events.” Or as I put it, shit happens. Since McCain was in the navy, I’ll use a naval metaphor: between now and November there’s lots of stuff that could happen to scuttle either candidacy, his or Obama’s. The election’s not today. To borrow another cliche: that’s why they play the game. As the Patriots found out. For a while Obama was looking like the Patriots were in mid-October. We all know how that turned out. Maybe he will go the same way, maybe he won’t. The last thing his supporters should be doing is taking it for granted the way HRC did. Look how that turned out.

  8. Joe Leydon says:

    BTW: David — Why is what Hillary said to make a rhetorical point (clumsily, to be sure) so offensive, but a photoshopped photo of a Vietnam War-era atrocity — photoshopped just to make a dubious point about a mere movie — just a harmless joke? Seriously. I mean, they’re both referencing events of 40 years ago, right?

  9. IOIOIOI says:

    Black: if you are scared. You may need to look into calling Ray Stantz. He’s still the stronger candidate even with the lower middle-class white people being scared of him. If you are going to be afraid. Have fun. This is going to be what happens when you get the youts into voting. Also… tact… is what I was going for there moneypenny.

  10. scooterzz says:

    It’s over. He’s 71. Does the country really want a 71 year-old man as president? I would go with… nah.
    io — once again, you’ve proven yourself to be an overt ageist….and this follows the homophobic remarks, oh…and, the sexist remarks……
    must be nice to be you……

  11. Blackcloud says:

    IO, I’m not scared. Someone could accuse you of being scared given all your bluster and bravado about the election. Not me. I think you’re just overconfident. Which is fine; sometimes that’s the right stance. My point is that there’s a reason you’re not supposed to count your chickens before they hatch–or come home to roost, whichever comes first. Overconfidence today is often disappointment tomorrow. Obama should win the election, for numerous reasons that have been discussed here and elsewhere. But should isn’t will. You think the election will have a certain outcome. I think it will have the same outcome. I just don’t discount the alternative the way you do.

  12. mysteryperfecta says:

    I don’t think there was any ulterior motive or malice behind Hillary’s remark.

  13. EOTW says:

    McCain already has this election in the bad. It’s amazing that people don’t see this. While Obama and Hil tear at each other, he laughs, knowing that she will continue to tear him down and that will be that. trust me, Outside of liberal cities, NO ONE believes Obama has what it takes. Ask any ordinary, non rich person, no matter the color and McCain is gonig to win. I’m amazed this isn’t reported more but there is a LARGE class of working and lower class blacks who have no intention of voting for him. I ‘m not big on either of these guys (or Hil) but I will NOT vote for the inexpereinced.
    McCain might be 71, but he is a true commander and knows what it takes to protect this nation. Obama has slammed the military time and again. As an American with three close family members fighting in Iraq, I understand his aim.
    God bless this country!
    (none of this tongue in cheek)

  14. jeffmcm says:

    Well that’s nonsense. All the basic electoral fundamentals – Bush’s incredibly low approval ratings, general dissatisfaction with the state of the country, the economy, and the wars – all favor the Democrat (whoever it is) over McCain. The three special elections for House seats in Republican areas that went Democratic verify this. Obama could lose this, but it’s his to lose.

  15. Blackcloud says:

    The only reason he could lose it is that the GOP is going to nominate the one guy who has a chance to beat him. Any other candidate and we’re not even talking about the GOP’s chances. McCain has a real shot.

  16. IOIOIOI says:

    Scoot: homophobic comments? You looney bastard. You have no idea what’s homophobic. So shut your mouth. You also need to go back and look at George Bush in 2000. Now look at him now.
    I also want you to go and look at Bill when he started, and when he left. The same goes with Ronald Reagan. Reagan in particular lost most of his mental stability at the end of his second term. If you think ANY 71 YEAR-OLD MAN has the ability to have that job without it taking a serious toll on his physical well being. You really need to take a look at the pictures of those men before and after, and realize it’s not ageist. It’s the truth. Deal with it.
    “McCain might be 71, but he is a true commander and knows what it takes to protect this nation. Obama has slammed the military time and again. As an American with three close family members fighting in Iraq, I understand his aim.
    God bless this country!”
    Here’s where I call you and every armed service member who votes for McCain… ignorant. McCain is a true commander that wants to keep your relatives in danger for as long as possible. All he wants to do is go to war. All he wants to do is kill your and other armed forces family members with pointless wars like Iraq.
    He also refused to vote for the new GI BILL. He also wants to continue with economic policies that cripple this country. He’s another term of BUSH. He’s McBUSH for a reason.
    You can go on about the people in the country, but you need to realize MOST OF US LIVE IN CITIES NOW. This country has shifted from your rural to urban. So you need to realize that the black folks, the young latinos, the youths, the women, and countless other people will come out of the woodwork to vote for Obama. If you think your world-view is correct. Realize… you are wrong… McCain wants to keep your family members in harms way… and only Obama can possibly change things.
    Cloud: [puts the code in for Biden]; “BULLSHIT.” Seriously; he has a staff full of lobbyist. Lobbyist who have worked for countless horrible people. He may have fired them, but this will come back. He’s not a reformer. That you buy into his BULLSHIT REFORMER STANCE shocks me. He has no chance. Believing he has a chance. Ignores what Obama has created in all 50 states.
    It’s not bluster. It’s not bravado. It’s looking at the board and not the pieces.

  17. christian says:

    “Ignores what Obama has created in all 50 states.”
    Except for the ones that didn’t turn out for him?

  18. jeffmcm says:

    Reagan had Alzheimer’s throughout his terms. McCain doesn’t. If Obama was 71, you wouldn’t be arguing this point.

  19. Blackcloud says:

    ^ Jeff, that’s simply not true about Reagan having Alzheimer’s during his presidency. There’s absolutely zero medical evidence to back that up. He did have symptoms late in his second term that appear Alzheimer’s-like in retrospect, but only in retrospect. There was nothing to back up a full diagnosis. The issue was hashed out pretty thoroughly when his having the diesease was announced in 1994 and again when he died in 2004.

  20. IOIOIOI says:

    Cloudy is right… he had symptoms and if Obama was 71 years old Jeff. I would never vote for him. There’s zero reason for any 71 year-old to have a job that ages people prematurely. You once again think there’s a simple solution. How HOT BLOG of you.
    Christian: you really need to accept that Pant-Suit lost, and she lost on a “making her job as a senator hard” level. The fact of the matter is that Obama has a grassroot orginization set-up throughout all 50 states. This is why he has a chance to do what no DEM has accomplished since 96. How HOT BLOG of you as well.

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