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It shows how out of it I was in trying to be in it, acknowledging that I was out of it to myself, and then thinking, “Okay, how do I stop being out of it? Well, I get some legitimate illogical narrative ideas” — some novel, you know?
So I decided on three writers that I might be able to option their material and get some producer, or myself as producer, and then get some writer to do a screenplay on it, and maybe make a movie.
And so the three projects were “Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep,” “Naked Lunch” and a collection of Bukowski. Which, in 1975, forget it — I mean, that was nuts. Hollywood would not touch any of that, but I was looking for something commercial, and I thought that all of these things were coming.
There would be no Blade Runner if there was no Ray Bradbury. I couldn’t find Philip K. Dick. His agent didn’t even know where he was. And so I gave up.
I was walking down the street and I ran into Bradbury — he directed a play that I was going to do as an actor, so we know each other, but he yelled “hi” — and I’d forgot who he was.
So at my girlfriend Barbara Hershey’s urging — I was with her at that moment — she said, “Talk to him! That guy really wants to talk to you,” and I said “No, fuck him,” and keep walking.
But then I did, and then I realized who it was, and I thought, “Wait, he’s in that realm, maybe he knows Philip K. Dick.” I said, “You know a guy named—” “Yeah, sure — you want his phone number?”
My friend paid my rent for a year while I wrote, because it turned out we couldn’t get a writer. My friends kept on me about, well, if you can’t get a writer, then you write.”
~ Hampton Fancher
“That was the most disappointing thing to me in how this thing was played. Is that I’m on the phone with you now, after all that’s been said, and the fundamental distinction between what James is dealing with in these other cases is not actually brought to the fore. The fundamental difference is that James Franco didn’t seek to use his position to have sex with anyone. There’s not a case of that. He wasn’t using his position or status to try to solicit a sexual favor from anyone. If he had — if that were what the accusation involved — the show would not have gone on. We would have folded up shop and we would have not completed the show. Because then it would have been the same as Harvey Weinstein, or Les Moonves, or any of these cases that are fundamental to this new paradigm. Did you not notice that? Why did you not notice that? Is that not something notable to say, journalistically? Because nobody could find the voice to say it. I’m not just being rhetorical. Why is it that you and the other critics, none of you could find the voice to say, “You know, it’s not this, it’s that”? Because — let me go on and speak further to this. If you go back to the L.A. Times piece, that’s what it lacked. That’s what they were not able to deliver. The one example in the five that involved an issue of a sexual act was between James and a woman he was dating, who he was not working with. There was no professional dynamic in any capacity.
~ David Simon
Almost perfect, except for the lameass political cartoon hallmarks of labeling junk. Yes, we know that is Mark Penn. Who the hell wears a pin with their name of it? Ferraro’s female symbol is just as dumb.
It is a lazy, fearful tool used in these cartoons, when the artist simply doesn’t believe in their own work enough to put the hammer away and let the intelligent audience deduce on their own.
Tofu, good point about Ferraro and Penn, though I’m not sure why W.C. Fields is there. Is he just stopping by for some moonshine?
If only the Rezko verdict had been handed down 2 weeks ago…
If only it mattered. If Drudge does not care. No one cares. You lost. Ha ha.
Drudge doesn’t care so much, it’s at the top of the page.
Now it’s not.
io — you’re wrong again…it’s highlighted…. must be your ‘faulty keyboard’ ‘failing you again’, eh?
btw — ‘you lost. ha ha’
classy comment…you serve the party well
Scoot: you really are a twink whose looking for a fight. You remind me of Sarah Silverman from the beginning of WAY OF THE GUN. I don’t like you, but you make me laugh. You also do not get it because you were apparently too busy impersonating Liza to watch an episode of the Simpsons. Holla.
Can somebody please translate? Twink? Simpsons?
The both of you missed a clear Nelson Muntz reference. The show has been on for 20 years, but you miss it. Goodness.
If you also have no idea what a twink is, well, you have most likely never had a gay friend or watched one episode of Queer as Folk.
IOI, I know what a ‘twink’ is, but I don’t know why you want to apply it to Scooter, except in a homophobic slur kind of way, and even then I don’t know why that slur and him specifically; and the Nelson Muntz “ha ha” is meaningless without his particular intonation. Without it, you’re not making a reference, you’re just laughing at somebody.
this isn’t io’s first try at homophobic slurs… one would think that, by now, he’d be better at it though…..
Well that’s what I’m saying. It doesn’t do much good to write a slur if you’re going to do it in such a disjointed, incoherent way.
A slur? A twink is as much a slur as calling a BEAR a BEAR. You two can go fuck yourselves.
I had to deal with a co-worker referring to gay folks getting married in church as a SLAP IN THE FACE TO GOD. As if being GAY is some sort of ABOMIANTION in the eyes of the HOLY. Do you think that just sat well with me you two pieces of shit? Hell no. I do not stand for that shit. I do not stand for anyone slagging a group of people who get enough shit in this world from morons who refuse to get that loving a man when your a man or loving a woman when your a woman is no different than a man loving a woman.
You have to either be BRAIN FUCKING DEAD or just a PIECE OF SHIT TROLL to assume I am homophobic. Seriously… I have almost gotten into fights with homophobes you twats. So the next thing you better refer to me as is IO because if you refer to me as a HOMOPHOBE AGAIN. I will fly to LA and wait for the both of you outside of Mann’s, then we will see if you have the stones to say it to my face.
Jeff: this is why you are a fat sloppy twat. You seemingly do not get that referring to something is a reference even if you are too fucking oblivious to get it. Seriously Jeff, fuck you, fuck your existance, and fuck everyone who associates with such a duplicitous human being… online… HIYOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
That last bit of business was a twitch on Johnny Carson going evil, and Ed dropping an “HIYO” as if nothing had changed. This is also posted here to help the daft fuckers like Jeff figure out what the hell I am posting.
io –too little, too late…..my opinion stands…have a good flight and let me know when you get to mann’s….
btw — ‘you seriously need to get a handle on’ the gay lexicon… ‘twink’ is very often used dismissively as a perjorative….
Scoot: not with my people and your opinion is bullshit. I have been down with the gay folks since — as a little kid — a nice gay couple helped me build castle Grayskull. You help a brother build Grayskull. I got your back. If you think I am a homophobe. You are a real daffy bugger and you know you do not have the stones. Neither does McMahon. Who stood up Murphy of all people.
IOI, then why did you use the words ‘twink’ and ‘impersonating Liza’ in a sentence that was clearly designed to denigrate somebody?
It’s all right there for everybody to see.
It’s really frustrating and impossible to have any kind of conversation with you, because it always, always turns into you using some kind of foul language. It really is a waste of time for all of us.
A waste of time is you Jeff. You have never contributed anything to this blog but a nagging bitchy little man. Who has a quest to be TOP DOG of a blog, that clearly already has a top dog. If you have a problem with foul language. I have a problem with the way that you use your language.
You also sort of do not get that I was denegrating anyone. Love Liza, love the drag queens, and a twink is not derrogatory to all gay people. Especially the tiny little gay men who refer to themselves as twinks from time to time.
The problem with you FST (your new nickname, chum. Get used to it): you try to psychoanalyze me. When you do not understand. If after seven years you do not understand where I am coming from, and I know your pathetic vermin hide all too well. The onus is on you to work through your problems.
You know… like your LASHING OUT AT ME BECAUSE YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND ME. Which is also posted where all the world can see. Fuck you Jeff. Fuck you very much.
NOT denegrating someone. Carry on.
Well then please help me to understand you.
Let’s start with, why did you refer to Scooter as a twink and a Liza-impersonator? Have you been to one of his shows?
io — who are ‘your people’?… the ‘some of my best friends are…’ defense is pretty weak even for you….
but it’s not just that you’re homophobic…over the past year, you’ve made remarks that have been interpreted as ageist, racist and xenophobic… and anyone confronting you is a ‘cunt’ or ‘twat’ (should we add misogynistic to that list?)…. is it any wonder some react to you as they (i) do?
and…i’d be interested in the answer to mcmahon’s question also…
And here I was, expecting to read comments about Hillary Clinton.
I believe IO has now surpassed D.Z. when it comes to hijacking threads.
You know, sometimes I feel bad for hounding IOI to make more sense, like I’m taking advantage of someone who can’t help what they do.
And then he’ll go and call someone a twink, or a twat, or a cunt for no reason at all, and all my sympathy goes poof.
Hey IO and jeff….seriously, as a sort of friend…both of you and scooter too…shut. the. fuck. up.
Jeff has a blog…take it over there. Here’s the link:
http://whenthedeadwalktheearth.blogspot.com/
I find it on one hand really rude to expect us to want to see you two sword fight and especially rude since Jeff, you have a blog to do this on.
I mean really guys, come on here. Grow up.
Hey, I’d be happy to do it over there, or in private. And I have, in fact, had private conversations with IOI in the past. But he hasn’t been open to any such thing since.
Oh, and sorry for clogging Poland’s forum with what is, essentially, garbage. But apparently he’s okay with it…
don — sorry for the inconvenience but the bully-wannabe thing just doesn’t fly with me….and never will…
I agree scooter and it’s made me lose respect for jeff AND IO but dude, if you fan the flames it’s not fair for me to try to play sheriff and not include you.
And jeff, I assure you David wishes you guys would cut it out too but since he’s been laying down the gauntlet on Crazy Nikki approving what her posters say, the timing is off for him to ask you to move it someplace else.
Don, you are, of course, right.
Not wanting to poke the fires anymore, but I really would like to know how IO came up with the idea of calling Scoot a “twink”? What about him implies that he is a skinny under-age looking guy with no body hair?
kam — i’m guessing my inherent impishness and naivete combined with a keen skateboard sense and the ability to OWN gta4…….
now, i think we should all move on……
That and your Craigslist ads.
well, um….yeah….
No. I am not okay with it.
Please grow up. Both of you.
Camp Leader Poland slams the cabin door on the boys leaving them in darkness.
IOIOI
(whispering)
“faggot”
jeffmcm
“tee heeee heeeee
scooterzz
“dutch oven anyone?”
Door opens suddenly
Mr Poland
“I SAID GROW UP!”
Doors slams.
ummmm….you’re in trouble, jbd….i’m telling….and this is gonna go on your permanent record…..
grow up, indeed….i’ve seen poland at screenings…the man is a big, loud goof…and amusing only to himself and his (seldom the same) plus one….
Actually, I would say that JBD got this one right.
I’m not a big giggler.
I believe it’s me who is the giggler around these parts.
yeah, jeff was HUGELY miscast as the giggler (have you not met cyber-jeff? he’d be more like, ‘psycho!’ while KAM giggles uncontrollably, because he’s hoarding all the candy and he’s all sugared-up)
hey, i just spent a week at camp not long ago with a bunch of 9-11 year old boys, i know this shit
Hey, I’m far from the psycho out of this group. You can actually have a proper conversation with me, I promise.
Yes, I know psychos stay up until 3 in the morning to post on blogs.
no, jeff, you’re calling IO ‘psycho’ instead of giggling, which seems out of character for you…i mustn’t have written my script addendum clearly enough
Oh, well that’s fine and dandy.
This seems like a good time to say that I really like and appreciate the vast majority of people here, like yourself, Leah, and KCamel and Don and Frank and even Joe Leydon when he’s not being weird. I wouldn’t keep coming back if it was all Lexes and IOs.
Leah, were you a teacher during my high school camps? Cause that’s scarily exact.
It’s kind of fascinating that anyone would think that the phrase “ha ha,” when read cold on the page, should automatically make a reader think “Nelson Muntz.”
ha, kam, i knew you’d be the candy hoarder! no idea why…just my sixth sense 😉
jeff, were you having a tipple or two at 3am? you know, where you get to that gushy ‘i love you guys’ stage… 😉 (i like reading this blog because most everyone here seems to love movies as much – if not more – than i do, which is a scary amount! so i hear what you’re sayin, and it took guts to say it)
Weirdest. Freaking. Thread. Ever.
You not being a big giggler explains it all. Also… really… HA-ha is an obvious reference. Apparently other message boards can figure out what this one cannot. Seriously… a bunch of women hung up on SHIPS got the references. Jeez. This place is so Chinatown.
“a bunch of women hung up on SHIPS got the references”
I give up. What’s _this_ a reference to?
But you didn’t write HA-ha. Perhaps written that way, the Muntz reference is clearer. But you know plain old “ha ha” pre-dates Muntz by – I dunno – centuries? Or are you saying that pairing it with “you lost” is what made it obvious? I’m not sure what you mean by SHIPS or Chinatown either. Clearly I’m not spending enough time on the internet.
Jeff: the giggler thing is a key. I am always being silly. I am all about goofy bits of business. So there you go. That’s what it’s all about.
Yancy: exactly. The “you lost… ha ha” was a self-contained reference. A reference a bunch of women at a message board, who prodominantly focused on SHIPS (You guys really spend all this time on the net, and have no idea what a SHIP is? Come on, hosers. Mulder and Scully are a ship. Some people also feel Obi-Wan and Qui-Gonn are a ship. This is how fandom on the net works for millions of people) would get easily. It would seem that my tone — which is comical and silly until I am pushed, then it gets banner-esque — is constantly ignored by some people who dislike a good laugh.
One last thing: there is only one real connotation for CHINATOWN. If you post here, and do not get the connotation. Well… really… like all of this… it’s about you more than it has ever been about me.
Wow. I _really_ don’t understand you, IOI.
Again: Weirdest. Freaking. Thread. Ever.
Jeff: what’s not to understand? I grew up watching countless HBO comedy specials. I like to laugh and have a good time. I also love movies and the business of show a great deal.
I simply refuse to be serious for serious’ sake. If that makes you happy. If you do not like laughing. Good on you. I would rather make a silly joke then every statement I make be viewed as some window into my soul.
What a shame Lex isn’t around to give this thread some credibility.
Or at least roundedness.
Hell, let’s get Don “from the director of Zathura” Murphy back here too.
Hey, whatever did happen to Don and his tag?
Think the success of a certain superhero movie has anything to do with his recent low profile?
I’ve seen Chinatown at least 5 times and read the script twice. And I’m pretty sure that when Walsh says, “Forget it, Jake. It’s Chinatown,” he’s not referring to anyone’s inability to decipher cultural references.
As for SHIPS, the net is a big place. Assuming it’s some kind of fanboy reference, well, I’m not a fanboy. I’m sure it has nothing to do with Senior Health Insurance Programs. Beyond that, I’m still stumped (Google is no help on this one. It just brings up a lot of sites about, you know, actual ships.
I agree with Joe – weirdest thread ever. Glad to do my part.
A SHIP is a relationship between to fucking fictional fucking characters. Is it that hard to figure fucking out (a lot of FUCKING to make this thread weirder)?
He is referring to Jake and his inability to LET IT GO… IT’S OVER, JOHNNY! IT’S OVER!
What does it stand for?
That’s two fictional characters like MULDER AND SCULLY. It also has nothing to do with being a fanboy. It has to do with being a fan to MILLIONS of people. Who spend billions of hours supporting their ships or bashing other ships. I swear… it’s relationship without the RELATION part.
McDreamy and Meredith go by MerDer. Jack and Kate would are JATE. Sawyer and Kate are SKATE. Luke and Lorelai fans would be Java Junkies. While Rory and Logan fans would be Sophies. They are SHIPS. When you are a fan of a certain couple on a TV show — or movie or book — they are your ship. So… if you like Jim and Pam together… that’s your ship.
Okay, and what does “SHIP” stand for, or stem from?
relationSHIP.
And it’s a term for people who spend waaaaaaaay too much time on the nets. I0 sounds like he’s big into fanfic too…Fanfic. You know…
I just explained it to you. Again; millions of people deal in these terms on an almost second basis. If you are too busy to not discuss a TV show on a message board. Well… I have no answers for you because you should already know.
Christian: we are all trying to be cool. Be cool.
Thank you, Christian. So it didn’t need to be capitalized…
“If you are too busy to not discuss a TV show on a message board. Well… I have no answers for you because you should already know.”
This contradicts itself.
No it does not. I am just stating you should get around more. I also explained it to you. Yet you once again decide to be a jerk to me. I swear to god in heaven and New Jersey… you just want to antagonize me because it makes you happy.
I just don’t understand you, on multiple levels.
And Weirdest. Thread. Ever.
Even the title is strange.
Hey, wha’ happened?
So maybe for clarity, instead of saying “This place is so Chinatown,” you should’ve said “You guys are so Jake Gittes.” Because obviously there is not “only one real connotation” to that title.
As for SHIPS or ships or however it’s written, I get it now. What I don’t get is why I should feel ashamed or something for not getting it right away. Because yeah, having never heard the term before and seeing it with no context did make it pretty damn hard to figure out. If I’m the only guy online (besides Jeff, apparently) who’s not discussing “ships” on TV message boards, then I humbly apologize for my appalling ignorance.
Anyway, sorry all. I just felt like parsing this stuff. Slow work day, you know?