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Hot Button – Sexism In '08

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20 Responses to “Hot Button – Sexism In '08”

  1. movielocke says:

    the thing that gets me about the ‘last chance for a female president’ is that there’s a very likely chance Claire McCaskill or Janet Napolitano will be running for President in 2012, 2016, or 2020 and there are an awful lot of female politicians out there who aren’t on anyone’s radar. maybe Chelsea Clinton will run in 2020 or 2024? Noone can predict the Obama-esque politicos that will come out of the woodwork over the next 16 years, and personally I think it’s more harmful to think of Hillary Clinton as the only woman who can possibly become president, because that’s essentially insisting that no other woman has a chance, sort of like saying Obama shouldn’t run because Jesse Jackson proved no black man has a chance of becoming president.

  2. Rob says:

    Look, of course the Obama fans want to celebrate. And you’ll have plenty of time to do so. But roughly as many people voted for Clinton (more, actually, in the last three months) so of course this day is going to be painful for a lot of people. Can’t the Clinton supporters have a couple days to blow off steam before we unite around Obama?
    I personally don’t think sexism had as much to do with Clinton’s failure as some poor strategic choices on the part of her staffers, the timing of some if the primaries, and the arcane rules of the DNC. And no one’s denying the impressiveness of Obama’s achievement.
    But the sexism was there, and I think for some of us it feels better to blame insurmountable bias than the missteps of the woman we believed to be the better candidate, but who happened to run the lesser campaign.

  3. christian says:

    The new feminism is about taking your spot

  4. David Poland says:

    The reason there is little give – and the announcement that she’s shutting it down on Friday just came over the wire – is that she has been so nasty for so long. It just never ends.
    And while I honor your right to embrace your candidate as superior, her fight has obscured the reality that Obama’s win is beyond a few bad decisions by her team. Her success in recent months has a lot to do with Obama becoming the front-runner and playing defense instead of offense… leaving Clinton free to throw whatever shit on him she chose to with little room for him to respond. When he took a stand in the debate, he was accused of whining. Learning to be the front running is a learning curve for him, just as being the loser is a learning curve for The Clintons.
    It’s so much easier to be the Comeback Kid.
    She was a prohibitive favorite, in spite of 60% negative opinion about her honesty and at least 40% of America unwilling to even consider her from the start. And she got beat. And despite the close race… she got beat bad. She was strong enough to stay in and stay strong and go completely negative for weeks to tear down a new face with older voters who were already weary of the new.
    And her last two months has been heavy on rhetoric that would backfire in the general election… because she is NOT “one of them.” Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

  5. swordandpen says:

    “And in perspective, Jong is a representative of a dead form of feminism

  6. hepwa says:

    Hillary Clinton is one of the most famous women in the world and she couldn’t pull off the nomination of her party (but she deserves huge credit for trying).
    Do you really believe someone as bland as Janet Napolotano or Claire McCaskill has a chance of being the party nominee? Please! Neither of them have the fortitude to put up with what Clinton did during this campaign.
    And talking about misogyny in the campaign has nothing to do with Barack Obama and is not the excuse for not winning that I hear. It was an extraordinarily close race and she deserves an awful lot of credit for inspiring people in different ways — the women who would like to see a female President, the blue collar workers and laborers who recognized she would work for their needs, the uninsured who need health care but don’t have proper access or the means to achieve it, the men and women of the US military, lied into a war in Iraq. And of course, she inspired the far left wing of the Democratic Party that gave the country to Bush in 2000 because they all voted for Ralph Nader. She inspired them with their visceral hatred of the former first lady and the most successful Democratic President since FDR.
    I’m proud of Obama. It is a great moment, but I’m also proud of Hillary and ashamed of the way she has been trashed by the people who should be supporting her the most at the end of this race.

  7. christian says:

    “And despite the close race… she got beat bad. ”
    Only if you measure that in super delegates. She won another state the last day of the primary. Along with major states like New York, California and even Ohion. Obama didn’t sweep the nation. It’s dangerous projection on the Dems part to act so. There’s a lot of voters who need convincing now.

  8. jeffmcm says:

    I sort of agree with that – She did better than any second place primary finisher as far back as Ford/Reagan in 1976.
    That said, I don’t think there’ll be a lot of ‘convincing’ to be done since Clinton and Obama are so close on the actual issues. It’s really just the emotion that needs to be gotten past.

  9. scooterzz says:

    while i don’t think it will actually happen, IF this so-called ‘dream ticket’ occurs it could make for the most uncomfortable t.v. since the pairing of barbara walters and harry reasoner….

  10. Obama should not choose Clinton as his running mate. No way. But, here’s a question for you guys, does Obama have to choose somebody who was also running for president (as in Clinton or Edwards?) or could he pull a random out of a hat?

  11. scooterzz says:

    random, out of a hat…..it’s his call…

  12. jeffmcm says:

    The names I keep hearing are former candidates like Edwards or Wes Clark, Senators like Jim Webb, or Governors like Napolitano or Strickland or former Gov. Warner of Virginia.

  13. scooterzz says:

    well, by ‘it’s his call’ i meant that it would be his call if this were an episode of ‘the west wing’…as it is, the party will most likely pressure him into choosing one of those names mcmahon mentioned….pity that….

  14. I would think Edwards, no? He’s the charming caucasion!

  15. Rob says:

    Edwards has said he doesn’t want it. Word is Elizabeth has taken a turn for the worse.

  16. oh, well that’s understandable then. And sad considering Elizabeth Edwards is amazing.

  17. messiahcomplexio says:

    another nice article poland. I think we may have found another career for you if this movie thing don’t work out.

  18. 555 says:

    Obama/Bloomberg ’08

  19. leahnz says:

    that’s sad about elizabeth edwards, i hope she can recover, it’s been such a long fight for her.
    obama/edwards would have been the most handsome and dashing pres/vp ticket ever, just to be shallow for a moment.

  20. Chucky in Jersey says:

    Hillary bowed out just in time. Had she clinched the nomination it would have been dwarfed by another juicy Clinton scandal . . .
    Slick Willie hitting on other women, one of them Gina Gershon of “Bound” fame.

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