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Franchises Change

I was just writing a comment in the Bond entry and I thought… this is really a full entry.
In BondLand, it’s Connery vs Moore… late Moore… the middle guys… Brosnan, where they also got more Late Moore-ish… and now this reboot, where I think they got too into going arty with this one after hitting just the right note with the last one. They kinda need Frankenheimer… and he’s not available.
In Batman, it was the TV show to The Killing Joke to Burton to Schumacher’s gay fantasia (that even gays hated) to the beloved Nolan.
It’s almost indistiguishable in Harry Potter.
Will Sony commit franchise suicide with a middle aged Spider-Man instead of going out and finding a new director and star?
How lucky were Back to The Future and Lord of The Rings to have closed-ended trilogies?
Would another director have been better with Indy IV?
And is it time to go back to the Alien well?

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56 Responses to “Franchises Change”

  1. matro says:

    Fox has licensed out a couple of big-budget video games in the Aliens franchise to Sega. I have a feeling they’ll see how well they do (and perhaps look at the success of the new Terminator) before deciding to blow 200 million bucks on a franchise that peaked five or six movies ago (counting the AVP trash).

  2. jeffmcm says:

    Or how about a brand-new franchise instead of just perpetual recycling and rehashing?

  3. jesse says:

    If you’re including the Batman comics, there was a big shift after the campy TV series, back to the more detective/character/crime-oriented work in the seventies, before moving on the even-grittier Killing Joke/Arkahm Asylum/Frank Miller stuff in the eighties, which influenced Burton’s films to some extent.
    I do like the way the Alien movies each have a completely distinct director and, as such, look and feel. But they also feel pretty tapped out by this point. They were never really evolving so much as being re-interpreted each time out.
    I sort of like the idea of Raimi and Maguire sticking for Spider-Man 4, if only because the short-cycling of these franchises is getting ridiculous, where a big movie comes out, and five years later it’s been trilogized and declared dead and in drastic need of a “reboot.” What do you do, with Spider-Man? Start over AGAIN, less than ten years after the movie version of the character was introduced, and try to get more out of the teenage stuff? How much of that can you do? I mean, in 25-page comics with complicated backstories and mythologies and few budgetary limitations, you can do a lot. But for two-hour movies, you can only restart so many times before that’s just as tired as continuing with the character.
    Plus I want to see if Raimi can break up the curse of #4. I know lots of people say it’s #3 that sucks already, but I enjoyed Spider-Man 3, and I love Return of the Jedi. Back to the Future III has its charms, too.
    The worst casualty of this was X-Men; if anything had the capability to defy the de facto “trilogy” design, it’s the jillion-character X-Men franchise. But it was rushed to a close with X-Men 3… although I guess we’re getting the spinoffs with at least some of the same actors. I hope Wolverine is fun.

  4. Aris P says:

    Well, both sequels to Back to the Future (one of my favorite movies) sucked IMO. I don’t consider it a trilogy at all.
    Spiderman never has been, nor ever will be (to the best of my knowledge) “middle-aged”. Spiderman is a teen/early 20s guy, always has been. Batman was always meant to be (and initially in the 40s WAS) a brooding, dark crime fighter (who actually killed a few people), and who always struggled to deal with the criminal element without crossing the line into murder.
    What about Timothy Dalton? He did how many, 3 of them? Talk about forgettable…
    As far as Indy… Let’s never ever be exposed to Lucas and his “storytelling” again. Please for the love of God. Indy would have sucked even if Scorsese, Fincher, Boyle or Nolan had directed it… Lucas would cast a pall over anyone.
    And as for Alien… I admire/like all 4 of them very much, each in their own right. It’s always been a fascination of mine to see what would happen to Ripley next, even though she ended up being some kind of Terminator in the 4th one. Still, I think a new Alien entry would be welcome by fans, as long as they don’t go the overblown 200 million dollar/Bay extravaganza route, and concentrate on STORY, maybe a gritty & dark story exploring a… gulp… young Ripley??
    I’ve never seen one frame of any Harry Potter film, and I fully admit to bashing on them regardless.

  5. jeffmcm says:

    A ‘young Ripley’ film would be a thrilling account of a young woman’s rise to a mid-level crew position on an ore freighter. Can’t wait!

  6. LYT says:

    Closed-ended trilogies are useful. SAW tried, but Lionsgate wouldn’t let the franchise die, and the writers keep straining to find new ways to insert additional plot points into a closed loop.
    The one thing we have not yet seen in an Alien movie is what large-scale civilization looks like in its future timeframe — everything has happened in small enclaves. The only reason to do another would be to go there; fans were hoping Alien versus Predator would do that, but they cheaped out. I think more could be done with a new stand-alone Predator movie.
    I’d be all for a new Mad Max, even if they’d have to make Max into a crazy old man who hates everybody just to get Gibson back and not have people boo him.
    Spider-Man doesn’t have to recast — in at least one comics storyline, Peter did graduate and marry MJ — but I think Raimi needs to go.

  7. The Big Perm says:

    I would also love a Mad Max 4. I’d really like to see a huge car chase through a desolate city like at the end of the third, and with today’s technology they could do that (but they need to keep the stunts real).

  8. Noah says:

    It’s funny, I just wrote a column about how the problem with the new direction of the Bond franchise is that it doesn’t have its own identity; it’s simply ripped off the Bourne template rather than finding a unique way to bring Bond into the 21st century.

  9. EthanG says:

    As a huge Alien fan, I have to say…..are you fucking kidding me?
    At least 5 years is needed after the AVP debacles. At least.

  10. murdocdv says:

    Unless they reboot the Alien franchise, the only arc that fans have wanted and have waited for is a future earth invasion, and the discovery and subsequent battle on the Alien home world (if there is one). Unless Fox wants to commit $200M+ per film, they should just let it die.

  11. Dr Wally says:

    Will Sony commit franchise suicide with a middle aged Spider-Man instead of going out and finding a new director and star?
    Without a doubt S4 will have a new director and star. Remember that Maguire was sacked from Spidey 2, Gyllenhall was cast as his replacement, and Maguire had to beg for the role back. And that was only a year after Spidey 1.
    How lucky were Back to The Future and Lord of The Rings to have closed-ended trilogies?
    With every other 80’s franchise coming back, if it were not for Michal J. Fox’s illness, then you could bet that BTTF 4 would be in production right this minute. I don’t consider it a closed-ended story, since Doc Brown’s return at the end of BTTF3 (rather than being abandoned with Clara in the Old West) actually hints to me at further adventures to come.
    Would another director have been better with Indy IV?
    Hell no. Whatever the movie’s flaws, repeat viewing on Blu-Ray reveals that the great Spielberg moments are still there in the mix. ‘They all had the same problem – they weren’t YOU’ – gets me every time.
    And is it time to go back to the Alien well?
    I’d love to see Vincent Ward given another crack at his ‘wooden world’ concept that he developed before being booted off Alien 3. You can read about it in the December issue of Empire magazine, and it’s discussed on the Quadrilogy DVD set.

  12. murdocdv says:

    Watching Matrix Reloaded in HD right now, and I know it’s been said before, but Warners should give the Wachowski’s the Superman franchise.

  13. LexG says:

    Clint.
    Clyde.
    Geoff Lewis. (Who I’m sure would be down.)
    “SOME WHICH WAY IS LEFT.”
    Make it happen, Warner Brothers.

  14. Roman says:

    “Would another director have been better with Indy IV?”
    Fuck this idiotic shit. Spielberg did a masterful job of directing and whatever problems you may have with the film have to do with with the screenplay. And at 77% on Rotten Tomatoes people fucking like the movie.
    Besides, and I mean this fully, Batman Forever > Batman begins. Let’s not diss thing for effect. Everything’s a matter of taste anyway.
    It’s not just about who and what and when. Every movie has a lot of variable that come together. Spiderman 2 was fantastics. Raimi obviously has a great Spiderman in him. Let’s not cry “end of the world” just because you didn’t like part 3.

  15. Jerry Colvin says:

    Thanks to an obsessed four year old son, I’ve now seen Spider-Man 3 (or at least the first half) more than any other movie in my entire life… and I like it. It’s very craftily made. So what if emo-Peter has a weird outburst at the jazz club. At least it was totally unexpected. And the three villians work. And I like how the first 20 minutes feels like a 1930’s movie…. I’m very happy that the same actors and director are coming back for parts 4 and 5.

  16. Mr. Gittes says:

    Splinter Cell with George Clooney. There’s your new Bourne franchise.

  17. bmcintire says:

    Alien already had a reboot of sorts, complete with the invasion – under the guise of STARSHIP TROOPERS. However, I would prefer something less gung-ho (and not so terribly acted) than Verhoeven’s satire if they were to take another dip in the ALIEN franchise well. At the rate things are going however, we’ll probably see a FREDDY vs. JASON vs. ALIEN vs. PREDATOR before that happens.

  18. leahnz says:

    ‘and the discovery and subsequent battle on the Alien home world (if there is one).’
    hey murdocdy, LV-426 IS the ‘alien’ home planet. the elephant-type creatures landed on said planet, got wiped out by the spawn of the facehuggers living in the huge underground caverns, and as a dying act the elephanty creatures sent out the ‘warning’ signal from their downed ship, which the nostromo subsequently picks up in ‘alien’. it’s a flaw in cameron’s screenplay that implies at the beginning of ‘aliens’ that the aliens themselves are visitors to LV-426 when they are, in fact, the natives. (possibly the only flaw in ‘aliens’, which is to this day the standard-bearer in excellence for in-camera action and effects, imho)
    (vincent ward’s a lovely guy but he shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near a film set until he sorts his shit out)

  19. Drew says:

    I know it’s not explicit in the first film, which asks you to draw exposition from suggestion rather than overt statement, but I think you’re wrong, Leahnz. The crashed ship with the giant space jocket at the helm has a cargo hold filled with the eggs, suggesting that they were picked up elsewhere and were being transported when the shit went crazy and the ship crashed.
    I don’t think anything in the film suggests that LV-426 is the alien homeworld, but I think there’s definitely things that suggest it is not.
    I don’t think we’ve seen where they come from, and thanks to Fox, I doubt we ever will. Worst. Managed. Franchise. Possible. They could make a musical for the next one, and it wouldn’t be worse than the way they’ve handled it so far.

  20. martin says:

    Peaked 6 years ago? Try 22 years ago. 3 and 4 were interesting failures, but for one reason or another they were failures nonetheless. I agree with Drew, worst managed franchise ever. We’re a long way away from Aliens coming back successfully. These days we’d get comic-book style shit called something like “Aliens Reborn” and it would be PG-13.

  21. martin says:

    BTW that photo on the main page of Marisa Tomei, wow. I’ve never found her that attractive, but she’s getting hotter with age. I might have to check out War Inc now.

  22. leahnz says:

    i’m afraid you’re wrong, drew. the eggs are in a massive underground cavern far too large to be the ship’s hold, no question (if you watch the scene with hurt, the cavern is so huge, it stretches into the distance as far as the eye can see). and the world itself does suggest indigenous habitation of the species by virtue of its noxious atmosphere and isolation. i’ve heard the mistake in cameron’s sequel discussed on something, somewhere, but for the life of me i can’t remember where. damn.

  23. Kim Voynar says:

    “If you’re including the Batman comics, there was a big shift after the campy TV series …”
    My son was just re-watching his beloved DVD of Batman TV episodes recently, and god, they were funny. My favorite is the one where Batman fends of the hilariously fake shark with his can of shark repellent spray. Pure comic gold.

  24. Hopscotch says:

    No more reboots. Please.
    Superman Returns basically convinced me that franchise should not be touched again.
    The new Star Trek will be… Train Wreck. There’s no way that movie will work, I’ll bet my life savings. That’ll be put to bed for good.
    I only suggest this because I never saw any of the movies: Revenge of the Nerds. throw the apatow gang in there. see what happens.

  25. Jeffrey Boam's Doctor says:

    Filmmakers don’t kill franchises.
    Fans kill franchises.
    Fans wanted AvP
    Fans wanted Freddy v Jason
    Fans want Pinhead v Who-the fuck-ever
    Fans are nerds.
    Fans destroy the magic of cinema.
    Fans like spoilers.
    Fans collect merch and the tail wags the dog.
    Fans parent’s neglected to give enough love.
    Fans smother what they love
    It’s an ugly cycle.
    Now go look in the mirror and tell me what you see.

  26. Jeffrey Boam's Doctor says:

    And whoever said Back to the Future 2 was worthless is an idiot. That film exceeds to syrupy Part 1 but being subversive and still managing to entertain throughout. One is for kids and the other is for adults. And Part 3 is for Gunsmoke fans only.

  27. Jeffrey Boam's Doctor says:

    How about GRIZZLY 3 so at least GRIZZLY 2 with Charlie Sheen will get a release?
    And the director of JAWS 4 is still kicking so how about JAWS 5 where the corpse of Roy Scheider washes up on Amity and there’s a strange tooth stuck in his skull and a small photo of rasta Mario Van Peebles in a locket around his ripped neck.
    Okay well how about at least a sequel to MIRACLE MILE where the opening scene is the top of helicopter sinking in tar and then suddenly the gay aerobics pilot crawls out of the much like some quasi simian and its the dawn of a new era for humanity. A post apocalyptic scenario of fluro leggins and marauding ass bandits.

  28. Jeffrey Boam's Doctor says:

    i’ll go back into the cave now.

  29. jeffmcm says:

    What part of BTTF 2 is ‘subversive’?
    And ‘fans’ don’t kill franchises. Alien vs. Predator could have been a great movie, but it wasn’t. ‘Producers’, who are ‘filmmakers’ kill franchises by succumbing to stupid ideas and giving bad writers and directors the reins.

  30. christian says:

    I would say the dark, disturbing tone of the second BTTF film alienated some people. His mother is an alcoholic married to Biff!

  31. IOIOIOI says:

    Leah and Drew are both right. The aliens were brought to that planet by the Space Jockey. Once his/her’s ship crashed. The aliens took over the planet, made it their NEW HOME, and this explains what happened to the planet. So it’s a bit of this, a bit of that, and there you go.
    The only thing subversive about BTTF II (Aris: you are a ball of fucking sunshine per usual) is the whole “JAPAN WINS” tone of the future. It pretty much states that the US will lose economically to Japan, Japan’s culture will slowly assimilate ours, and we will be indepted to another country. That’s subversive with a capital “S”. If only we can get those fucking rehydraters already. The technology exist. BRING ME MY INSTANTLY REHYDRATED PIZZA HUTT PIZZA DAMN IT!

  32. Jeffrey Boam's Doctor says:

    Jeff the main subversive component of Part 2 is the setting up of audiences expectations of how happy the future will by the admittedly cheesy ending of one. And then crushing any hope by revealing a dark future full of consumerism and corporate corruption run amok. Hill Valley which represented America in all its promise (in 55 and 85) is now a crime ridden slum, the bully is now in control (insert Bush) and toxic dumps make money.
    It is a very good film. I think most critics would agree in hindsight. And the best argument I can make that it was truly subversive is that it was a film that couldn’t lose money and yet it dropped 50% in its 2nd week. That could only be because the subversive bleak tone was too much for the apple pie craving public who were served a big helping with a razor blade in its middle.

  33. doug r says:

    The worst part of BTTF 2 was sitting through that ENDLESS stupid sports book crap only to find out that it was only half the story-with the commercial for BTTF 3 at the end. It could have been about half an hour of of a single sequel.
    I loved most of BTTF 3. Nice balance between Hollywood western and Spaghetti western.

  34. leahnz says:

    io, very interesting, how did you reach that conclusion? i watched the scene in question with a couple other people just before (since i was so damn cocky in my conviction, i wanted to make sure i wasn’t blowing smoke out my ass, to put it delicately), and i must say it was a clear as mud to us. the cavern looks to be an immense nest with masses upon masses of eggs, and appears far too vast, level (the ship is clearly listing on an angle), and undamaged to be a crashed ship’s hold. hurt clearly says ‘a cave’ when dallas asks, ‘what do you see?’ (why wouldn’t he just say, ‘it’s the hold’ or the like) and yet the cave has some shared characteristics with the spaceship, which is weird. i was so sure of myself before but now i’m confused and flip-floppy

  35. christian says:

    Okay, here’s the dealio: since H.R. Giger designed both alien ship and landscape, it’s tough to argue they’re not of similar origin. Did the ship just happen to crash over the nest of eggs?

  36. IOIOIOI says:

    Leah: Christian has a point with the Giger design, but it was a ship. A ship that was designed to be seen as ALIEN. Alien is all about Sir Ridley adding his own touch to sci-fi and the ship is one of them.
    It has to go with the whole “ALIEN SHIPS SHOULD APPEAR ALIEN” thing. So the ship, the space jockey, and everything about it has a design centred around this concept.
    While you are right that it appears to be a cave Leah. It’s also just a big honkin space ship for a big honkin alien, that tiny fucking aliens killed. It’s very depressing if it you look at it in that context, but Alien is a fucking depressing movie. The cat at least lives. Yay.

  37. jeffmcm says:

    IOI makes sense here – the ship crashed, then a Queen alien laid all those eggs in the cave underneath and there were no more hosts until the Nostromo crew showed up.
    JBD, I still don’t really agree with you re: BTTF 2. The future of 2015 doesn’t strike me as particularly dystopian, it’s just the ’80s all over again but with hoverboards and Jaws 19. If anything, it represents a future that’s just a lateral move from that of 1985 – but with weather control and less crime. It’s definitely not ‘dark’. The alternate 1985 in the middle of the movie is definitely ‘dark’ but I don’t consider ‘dark’ to be ‘subversive’ either, not in this case – A ‘subversive’ movie implicates the audience, the alternate 1985 is merely degenerate.

  38. jeffmcm says:

    Actually, scanning through it just now, what bugs me the most about BTTF 2 – and what reaffirms my view that it’s the runt of the three movies – is how clearly disinterested Zemeckis and co. are in it, given that every scene functions as foreshadowing for BTTF 3, the movie he really wanted to make. There’s not a lot of ‘there’ there in BTTF 2.

  39. christian says:

    Actually, there should be no queen alien since the face huggers plant the seeds for future aliens. The cocoon scene cut from the first film does not jibe with Cameron’s queen concept life-cycle. Geeks!

  40. leahnz says:

    my inner ‘alien/s’ geek has a friggin’ headache!
    here’s the only scenario that makes sense to me: if the alien eggs were being transported by the ‘spacejockey’ and it all went pear shaped like drew and company have suggested, why would the ship crash on lv-426, what are the chances of that happening on that little planet in all that space? very remote. more likely that crew would have been wiped out in space by the badass aliens like the crew of the nostromo and the ship would have drifted like nostromo would have done had not ripley nuked it to smithereens.
    it’s more logical to assume the spacejockey and crew went to lv-426 for a reason – perhaps to mine like the nostromo or scavenge – and crashed while attempting to land like the nostromo’s probe almost did due to the extreme landing conditions. that race of spacejockey alien then met up with the locals and got MUNTED, and the locals population grows. the eggs that were subsequently discovered by dallas and co. were either already in an existing hive beneath the spacejocky ship (a bit of a koinkydink, granted), laid subsequently in a new hive or perhaps even the ship’s hold (tho i’m not convinced that massive cave is the ship’s hold, but maybe it is), then the long wait for new hosts ensues. i don’t see any evidence that the nasty aliens came from off world, brought by the spacejockey, it doesn’t make sense. (then again, maybe i’m like the prince regent in ‘blackadder the third’: a bit of a thickie!)

  41. Drew says:

    Again… I see how the film asks you to interpret, and each person’s interpretation may be different, but I see the film very differently than you, Leahnz.
    And I’m not saying you’re “wrong”… just that I read it differently.
    The space jockey’s chest is clearly blown out. Something was inside of him and got out. And John Hurt heads into the “cavern” from inside the ship. Clearly. So either they landed on the cave perfectly, which just happened to be filled with alien eggs, which seems more than unlikely, or the crash made it easy for the aliens that took over that ship to then spread out onto LV-426. And if you look at the ship from the outside, that’s a crash. I don’t buy it as a landing.
    I maintain there is an alien homeworld, and we haven’t seen it yet.

  42. I haven’t watched any of the Back to the Future films in a long time, but I remember enjoying the second more, but I’m sure if I rewatched them now I’d like the first. All those colours from the second movie were hard to resist as a child I imagine.

  43. anghus says:

    Yeah, i think we’re all sequeled out. There’s a certain safety in the familiar, and it will be watered down until it’s no longer recognizable.
    Spiderman 3 is a fine example. The first one wasn’t bad, the second one improved upon the first, and the third one is the very definition of phoning it in. The script is remarkably terrible.
    Think about the introduction of the alien symbiote. You have a character based in science (Doctor Connors, Harry Osborne’s connections in Oscorp) with a number of scientific locations established (Empire University, Oscorp) as well as a character who is an astronaut (John Jamison), and the device chosen to introduce the villain is a random meteor landing in Central Park?
    There are other examples, but that one struck me as insane because there are so many already available options to tie the story together, but they are ignored because at that point the franchise was going on momentum and no one needed to try.
    There’s nothing wrong with franchises, but studios are so risk averse that they put their eggs into a few baskets and wait for them to run out of steam, rather than proactively trying to create something original.
    And i agree with Jeffery Boam to a degree. I think fans smother what they claim to love.
    Indiana Jones 4 is a puzzler. The script is awful. The story makes no sense. The peril is non existent, but i still remember not hating it when i watched it. It seems if you put Harrison Ford in a hat with a whip i will be entertained. Apparently a lot of people feel that way.

  44. storymark says:

    “Spiderman never has been, nor ever will be (to the best of my knowledge) “middle-aged”. Spiderman is a teen/early 20s guy, always has been.”
    Sorry, but until a few months ago, the comic version of Spider-Man was a 30-something divorced High School teacher by day.

  45. jeffmcm says:

    Since when is 30-something ‘middle-aged’?
    Ultimately, the ‘what planet are the Aliens from’ question is irrelevant since it has no real bearing on the movies themselves thus far. Also, where are the queens supposed to come from, if not the occasional egg?

  46. Dr Wally says:

    “Actually, scanning through it just now, what bugs me the most about BTTF 2 – and what reaffirms my view that it’s the runt of the three movies – is how clearly disinterested Zemeckis and co. are in it, given that every scene functions as foreshadowing for BTTF 3, the movie he really wanted to make. There’s not a lot of ‘there’ there in BTTF 2.”
    You got it there. On the BTTF DVD boxset, Zemeckis says that he regrets not being able to give Part 2 his full attention, due to the fact that he was going full-tilt into Part 3 at the same time. The 2015 scenes have aged poorly, but the ‘nightmare’ 1985 section is clever and even brave for a megabucks sequel.

  47. christian says:

    Plus it was obvious Zemeckis was trying to hide Crispin Glover’s non-appearance.

  48. storymark says:

    “Since when is 30-something ‘middle-aged’?”
    Well, 30-something certainly isn’t teen/early 20’s – which is what I was actually disputing.
    And since McGuire is in that 30-something range, I guess he’s clear of the middle-aged tag applied in the first place.

  49. jeffmcm says:

    Everybody wins.

  50. JohnBritt says:

    I would love to see what Stephen Spielberg could do with a new Jaws now that we have so much technology available.

  51. Not David Bordwell says:

    @Alien LV-426 thread (leahnz et al):
    Go rent Mario Bava’s PLANET OF THE VAMPIRES. The whole LV-426 sequence is a retread almost shot-for-shot . It doesn’t help with their interpretation, but it does explain where the images come from (inhospitable planet, landing party, discovery of alien pilot corpse).
    @Spider-Man 3 black symbiote suit thread: Does no one remember where Spidey actually got that suit? Secret Wars? The Beyonder? A random meteor is the apex of probability in comparison.
    PWNED, GEEKS!

  52. “The story makes no sense.”
    I’m sorry you had such a hard time understanding it. :/
    And Tobey Maguire will be 35 by the time Spider-Man 4 is released.

  53. IOIOIOI says:

    BTTF 2 is the runt of the BTTF franchise, but I love it. It’s easily one of the worst movie futures. It’s basically 1h 45m of exposition. While all of that is not exactly a good thing. It does have Joe Flahrety in a rather icon rain scene, speed laces, and Lea Thompson with a ridiculous BIG BOOBED chest plate. So it does have it’s moments.
    That aside; I really would like to see an Alien homeworld, but it would be nothing more than a hive. If you have a QUEEN or QUEENS in this case. You are basically a HIVE world. Which means the world they came from would most likely resemble that of a rather alien beehive.
    The thing of it is though: they are a parasitic organism. If you extrapolate out what the films show us about these bugs. They most likely would not have a homeworld because they INFEST WORLDS. They swarm, they kill, and they use the inhabitants as incumbators for their young.
    Thus explaining why the Predators hunt them. They are a really bad ass cockroach. Who wouldn’t want to spend their free time and pimp ass hunting accesories, hunting bad ass cockroaches?

  54. leahnz says:

    oh man, just when i thought i’d done my ‘alien’ dash and couldn’t give a damn, you reel me back in, drew:
    ‘or the crash made it easy for the aliens that took over that ship to then spread out onto LV-426’
    are you contending that the badass aliens took over the spacejockey’s ship, flew it to lv-426 and botched their landing, sort of like the penguins with the plane in the ‘madagascar 2’ trailer? damn, i guess cutting the power in ‘aliens’ was amateur hour
    (and what makes you think the spacejockey was implanted and burst before landing on the planet? he was found fossilised to his seat. and maybe the ‘cavern’ is the ship’s hold – if it is, the spaceship has tardis-like qualities – but the eggs were likely laid there after the crash, otherwise those 6 trillion eggs are laid out quite neat and tidy for having survived a crash landing)
    i think i’m gonna go have a stroke now

  55. leahnz says:

    not david bordwell, i’ve heard that before re: ‘planet of the vampires’, i keep meaning to look for it to suss that out

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And so the three projects were “Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep,” “Naked Lunch” and a collection of Bukowski. Which, in 1975, forget it — I mean, that was nuts. Hollywood would not touch any of that, but I was looking for something commercial, and I thought that all of these things were coming.

There would be no Blade Runner if there was no Ray Bradbury. I couldn’t find Philip K. Dick. His agent didn’t even know where he was. And so I gave up.

I was walking down the street and I ran into Bradbury — he directed a play that I was going to do as an actor, so we know each other, but he yelled “hi” — and I’d forgot who he was.

So at my girlfriend Barbara Hershey’s urging — I was with her at that moment — she said, “Talk to him! That guy really wants to talk to you,” and I said “No, fuck him,” and keep walking.

But then I did, and then I realized who it was, and I thought, “Wait, he’s in that realm, maybe he knows Philip K. Dick.” I said, “You know a guy named—” “Yeah, sure — you want his phone number?”

My friend paid my rent for a year while I wrote, because it turned out we couldn’t get a writer. My friends kept on me about, well, if you can’t get a writer, then you write.”
~ Hampton Fancher

“That was the most disappointing thing to me in how this thing was played. Is that I’m on the phone with you now, after all that’s been said, and the fundamental distinction between what James is dealing with in these other cases is not actually brought to the fore. The fundamental difference is that James Franco didn’t seek to use his position to have sex with anyone. There’s not a case of that. He wasn’t using his position or status to try to solicit a sexual favor from anyone. If he had — if that were what the accusation involved — the show would not have gone on. We would have folded up shop and we would have not completed the show. Because then it would have been the same as Harvey Weinstein, or Les Moonves, or any of these cases that are fundamental to this new paradigm. Did you not notice that? Why did you not notice that? Is that not something notable to say, journalistically? Because nobody could find the voice to say it. I’m not just being rhetorical. Why is it that you and the other critics, none of you could find the voice to say, “You know, it’s not this, it’s that”? Because — let me go on and speak further to this. If you go back to the L.A. Times piece, that’s what it lacked. That’s what they were not able to deliver. The one example in the five that involved an issue of a sexual act was between James and a woman he was dating, who he was not working with. There was no professional dynamic in any capacity.

~ David Simon