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Can The NYT Keep Sinking Lower?

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12 Responses to “Can The NYT Keep Sinking Lower?”

  1. jeffmcm says:

    I haven’t been to Wells’ site in probably 6 months, so I just checked it out.
    Sure enough, he’s annoyed that Cieply is invading his ‘fatties suck’ turf.

  2. Hallick says:

    If Cieply wants to do this kind of piece, fine, but for fucksake, the way he did it was worse than worthless. Shecky-goddamn-Cieply’s open mike nite sucked.

  3. westpilton says:

    Wow, that really was worthless. I am now totally disinclined to read anything with a Cieply by-line.

  4. EOTW says:

    you know, DP, I used to wonder why you couldn’t stand Wells, putting his name under the gossip list on MCN, but then, lately, I have come to realize you are write all along. So, officially, Wells is BANNED FOR LIFE from my bookmarks and you, kind sir, have my full attention as THE movie blogger I enjoy. Life is too short to waste time on hi site.

  5. LexG says:

    I don’t know… Wells is kind of my new idol in life. He gives me something to aspire to.

  6. jeffmcm says:

    If you ever see him in person, that’ll change, STAT.
    Wells looks like somebody put a homeless man’s brain in the body of a half-melted wax statue of Robert Evans.

  7. LexG says:

    I saw him at a CHE screening, and he was AWESOME. Skulking around the theater giving everyone a death-glare, surveying the crowd up and down, seemingly grousing about his seats, just looking angry and terrifying. Since I post with some frequency at HE, I for a split second entertained the notion of just saying hi, enjoy the site, but immediately gathered that was a TERRIBLE idea.

  8. Wrecktum says:

    I thought that Poland proudly claims to have not read Wells in years? How does he know all about Well’s fattyphobia?

  9. Cadavra says:

    Because we mention it here.

  10. jeffmcm says:

    My guess was that Wells’s anti-fatty crusade predates the Wells/Poland schism. I can just imagine their first meeting:
    “Hi Mister, I’m Dave Poland.”
    “(mumble mumble) check out that porker over there (mumble mumble).”

  11. Nicol D says:

    Agreed. What a horrible column. Its one thing to mention Crowe, who has gained some weight over a stretch, but to say even DiCaprio is too big is to jump over a great big massive shark that even The Fonz could not traverse.
    In Cieply’s world, must everyone in Hollywood have the slim trim look of a Zac Efron (who I actually am a fan of)?

  12. leahnz says:

    i just got around to reading this piece of lameness, but i was struck by: imagine the exponentially more severe level of outrage if cieply’s article had dared to make fun of female actresses getting chubbier, he’d be swinging from the nearest yard iron by now. is it just a little bit more ok to make fun of blokes, is there a double-standard at work because men take stuff lying down more than woman, who excel at getting up in arms at the drop of a pin?
    and further, it could never BE about actresses getting chubbier because unlike their male counterparts, who keep getting plumb lead roles and juicy parts in spite of their spreading girths, actresses are held to another double standard of having to stay rail thin unless they want to be relegated to the roles of ‘funny fat friend’ or ‘mum’. double standards for everyone!

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