The Rage Over The Ugly Truth
Uh… simple… I don’t get it.
There is nothing significantly unique about this movie concept. It’s The Taming of The Shrew with a touch of Cyrano de Bergerac. Fascinating that it brought out the “junk” out of Manohla Dargis and others because, really… is this really more insipid than the existence of a dozen shows on reality television?
(Edit, 6:25p – Manohla Dargis didn’t say “swill,” Pete “Best *** Of The Year” Travers did. My apologies. And if you don’t know, they are hardly alone in hating the film. Rotten Tomatoes can be a imprecise measure, but 15% fresh isn’t a number that can be questioned.)
Really, the most sexist thing in the film is the obsessive interest in the perfect bland guy, not the idea that she eventually falls for a guy who, in spite of his outdoor voice, is a decent person who does actually speak a certain kind of truth and takes a real interest in her over the course of the film.
I think the Big Sexist Moment in the film was the vibrating panties scene. And I am not unsympathetic to the rage about it. I think it is the idea that a child – who doesn’t know what he has found – is in control of the grown woman’s sex… and the man-child sees what’s happening and lets it keep happening. How can that man-child ever be forgiven?
Everything about the scene is odd. How she ends up leaving her house with the panties on and the remote control in her purse is, in and of itself, lacking any credibility. The idea of the remote slipping away is unbelievable. And the idea that, realizing what is happening, she endures an orgasm in front of her employers and a restaurant full of people, is weird and unexplained on so many levels. The people she works with don’t seem to get what’s happening at all… or why.
You don’t have to be a misogynist to understand how a scene like that ends up in a movie like this. You’re doing a Taming of The Shrew knock-off. (Yes, that might be the first problem for many.) And you are looking to knock down your female lead a bit. Public orgasm… hmmm… can’t be the hero with the control or it’s really unforgivable… what about someone else… a waiter… too creepy… a kid who doesn’t know what he or she’s doing… hmmm… a girl… kind of lesbian-y… a boy… a stand in for our hero…
They probably should have scrapped it there.
Yes, it’s a big trailer moment. But just the idea… someone’s real orgasm… kinda stolen from them… a rape of a sort…
But then again… I am thinking WAY TOO MUCH about a silly rom-com sex farce when I get down to “it’s a form of rape.”
That is not to say that it’s NOT a form of rape. it is. And we’re meant to laugh at it, at that.
But assault with intent to kill is something we see and forgive (and often laugh at) in virtually every action movie.
I guess it comes down to, “It didn’t strike me that way.” And if it had, I would probably be just as angry and some of those who are. I have been on the other side of it a few times. I still say that 8 Mile is undeniably racist, even though it clearly intends to be the opposite of that. I still say that Tony Stark is a drunk, arrogant, arab-murdering prick at the start of Iron Man and is a sober, arrogant, arab-murdering prick at the end of Iron Man. And should we really feel good about laughing at Clint Eastwood shooing those “gooks” off his lawn in Gran Torino? I know Eastwood’s intent is good, but I don’t know that his character really becomes enlightened so much as he gets to know a few “gooks” well enough to be his good, generous white self to them.
The other thing about The Ugly Truth is that is, first and last, a rom-com and it’s always fun for critics to find a reason to pile on and beat a rom-com to death. This one is well directed and reasonably well written. It has the clever twists. The argument that Manohla makes that this woman is somehow Hollywood harassed into wanting more than a job to sleep with at night is an argument against all rom-coms, not just this one. The idea of the pig-man becoming the gentleman is about as old as they come.
But those panties… hard to get past those panties…
(Insert your takeaway on that line here… cause there are a bunch of ways you can run with it… which is my point… and why the moment is, perhaps, ill advised… and why it’s probably not the end of the world… unless you think it is… and I wouldn’t really argue against you on that… just not my experience.)
“But assault with intent to kill is something we see and forgive (and often laugh at) in virtually every action movie. ”
You make a good point there, one I try to bring up whenever people throw a hissy-fit over a supposed “rape” scene. Why is it that rape is so much more taboo than murder? Plenty of dark comedies have jokes about murder, so why can’t they have jokes about rape too? Sure, it’s disgusting, but isn’t that the point?
(I’m thinking more Observe and Report here, which is a heck of a lot darker than Ugly Truth)
Murder is a finite action. While rape is not.
Well put, IO.
Rape is a finite action to those who have experienced it, male or female; young and old.
Having said that, if you can joke about murder, you can joke about anything, as is the nature of comedy.
OK, what about torture (not “finite”), is that acceptable? Off the top of my head I can’t think of any torture scenes played for laughs (though I’m sure they exist) but many, many are played as entertaining and exciting. Surely a rough torture scene played for entertainment is worse than a roncom orgasm scene, no? Or is creating a moral equivalence that shouldn’t exist?
Well put? Really?
That makes no sense at all.
I thought there was a torture for laughs scene in Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves. Maybe my memory is affected by Hacker Schorrs.
I didn’t like the movie; except for ALan Rickman who I LOVE 4-ever. BOW to ALan Rickman, the best English Bastard. KNOW.
The moral equivalence Wrecktum whether it is physical torture, pyschological torture or both (most forms of sexual assault often has features of both) is that the person who suffers it is manipulated, or restrained, abused and usually is not able to escape/get away and must endure or “perish” figuratively or realistically.
At least that’s the way UNICEF and Red Cross would describe it when I volunteered for them.
But again–comedy can joke about anything under the sun…and frequently does. I can deal with it, even though many forms are a bit distasteful.
Torture for laughs? The first film that comes to mind is Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang (“Stop helping!”).
torture for laughs…actually Tarantino has done that several times.
So wait, should white people only kill white people in movies?
In U.S. movies, whites should only be killed 70% of the time.
Blecch @ all this queasy rape discussion. It’s a hot chick getting off in public.
In other words: BONER. End of discussion.
Only minor thing about the scene that raises an eyebrow is, yes, it’s A KID pushing the button.
Imagine a reverse world rom-com where some Elle Fanning-type finds what she thinks is a salt shaker, and the same exact scene plays out, only with, say, Dane Cook bugging his eyes and making stupid faces.
I remember your 8mile comment from sometime back Dave. And I don’t see how you think it was racist. M&M was teasing the dude because he came from a good backgound, he was teasing him because he was frontin’ that he was from the streets, and that his life was harsh, and we was all gangsta’, but how could you sing about the shit that defines gangsta rap and come from a middle class neighborhood? How could sing about family problems and your parents have a “real good marriage”? So it wasn’t the guys background. It was what he was pretending to be.
Ah poor Lex, but I think queasy is better than suicidal, mais oui.
The kid doing the manipulation was kind of gross, definitely.
However, it still doesn;t explain the all-around tremendous bashing by critics.
I didn’t think the movie was terrible at all, with some good bits. I was distracted by the changes to Butler’s physiognomy, but I am in the minority on that I’m sure.
Maybe I’m jaded but I saw the scene in question and didn’t think it was the least bit objectionable. So it’s a kid pushing the button, that kind of makes it funnier, since he has no idea what he’s doing. Should it have been a squirrel turning the button?
And that scene was SO not close to rape. She could have said “I’m going to be sick” and run to the bathroom, or grabbed the thing from the kid. She didn’t, who cares.
There are torture scenes played for laughs all the time…even in kids movies. Think the gingerbread man in Shrek.
Or Hostel 2 in general.
Or Dirty Rotten Scoundrels.
The list goes on.
It could be argued that Young Frankenstein has a rape played for laughs (“Ah, sweet mystery of life…).
“And that scene was SO not close to rape. She could have said “I’m going to be sick” and run to the bathroom, or grabbed the thing from the kid. She didn’t, who cares.”
I haven’t seen the movie, and probably never will, but based on the description here I’d have to agree with The Big Perm.
Is it even possible to “force” someone to have an orgasm? To me, I understand the objections but not the comparison to rape.
On a whim, I saw Potter and was treated to back-to-back trailers of 9, G.I. Joe and 2012. I’m surprised my brain didn’t end up oozing out of my ear after 10 consecutive minutes of CGI banality.
Haven’t we seen enough historic landmarks being trashed by bad guys by now?
Yeah, Dirty Rotten Scoundrels had the classic torture scene!
If 2012 didn’t come with the Emmerich pedigree I’d be dying to see that. Unfortunately the guy has two modes…cheesy silly disaster movies and boring serious disaster movies.
I still want to see it though, but I’ll wait for a few reviews.
this conversation has taken a weird turn, i don’t get where the ‘rape’ analogy came from. i’m pretty sure one can safely say it’s impossible to be raped by vibrating knickers. lame and demeaning, perhaps…(and since when is it unacceptable decorum to say politely whilst dining, ‘excuse me’ and then avail oneself of the ladies room? i don’t get it)
also, i haven’t seen ‘the ugly truth’ but didn’t they already make pretty much this same movie some years back starring ashley judd as the ‘attractive-but-too-tightly-wound’ journalist/whathaveyou being advised on her romance with a third dude (greg kinnear?) by hugh jackman as the ‘attractive-but-loutish-chauvinist-womaniser’ type, who can’t stand each other but then — amazingly! — fall in love? (the title escapes me)
just going by the ‘ug truth’ trailer, it would seem the most sexist thing about the theme of this movie and its ilk is the perpetuation of the tired old cliche that what women REALLY want, what really turns them on, is a ‘bad boy’, a boorish chauvinist to treat them like a sex object and put them in their place. i think this is what dargis was getting at in her review, in particular chastising the female writers/producers for their participation in creating yet more vapid, uninspired films ‘for women’. again, i haven’t seen it so my impression might be baseless
The reason we think rape is worse than murder in films, I think, is this:
-Most of us have, at some point or another, been really mad at someone and wanted to kill them, if only fleetingly.
But how many times have you ever said to yourself “That chick’s hot, I’d like to beat her up and force myself on her against her will?”
None, I hope.
I was actually kind of amazed that three female writers decided not to plumb the depths of what made Butler a chauvinist. They were obviously trying to pass him off as “roguishly charming”, but some of the shit he was saying earlier on in the film was way too close to Tom Cruise/Magnolia levels of psychological damage. But I wasn’t really offended because, again, it’s just a dumb romcom. A really dumb romcom.
Also, Lex, I saw Orphan tonight:
I’M NOT YOUR FUCKING MOMMY!
A_Loco: once a person is gone. They are gone. Once a person is raped. They just have to live with that event for the rest of their lives. See the difference?
Lota: George Carlin had a point, but I do not always agree with him on that point.
That’s a good point, LYT, but I think there is a difference between “I’m gonna beat her up and have sex with her against her will” then “Wouldn’t it be funny if I let her have an orgasm right now even though I can stop it or she could go to the bathroom and stop it herself?” or (in the case of Observe and Report) “I am obviously a psychologically troubled young man, should I take advantage of this chick who got herself really drunk and probably won’t suffer too much if I kinda sorta date rape her and she is asking for it anyways”.
But whenever people throw out the “rape” word in the media, it’s as if it should all be treated the same.
In other words, not all “rape” is equal. Just like not all murder is equal.
I’m aware that this conversation is getting really icky, but I think it’s worth having.
Haven’t seen this film but it reminds me on a class I had in film school.
We watched the opening credits of Look Who’s Talking where the animated sperm with the Bruce Willis voice is slamming against the egg saying “Let me in! Let me in!”
After much complex and nuanced analysis, the class concluded it was a rape scene on par with Dennis Hopper’s rape of Isabella Rossilini’s in Blue Velvet; a film they had previously had the head of the department tried on a tribunal for showing. They said it condoned rape.
I concluded they were batshit insane. ‘Nuff said.
IO, if a person is murdered, their loved ones have to live with it, which is the same sport if not the same ballpark.
And, as some one previously pointed out, torture for laughs is acceptable, as is assault. All thins which people have to live with after. I think it’s the sexual aspect of rape that makes people feel it’s taboo, not whether it’s “finite” or not (even if that terminology does not at all convey what you were trying to say).
The entire movie is full of illogical moments beyond why-doesn’t-she-simply-go-to-the-restroom-and-take-them-off. What OCD woman who owns a cat leaves the window open? Why would a woman deathly afraid of being above the 7th floor take a hotel room on the 17th floor without a peep? (Admittedly that could be a deleted scene.) How does a woman who claims she can’t dance get lured onto the floor and immediately turn into Cyd Charisse? And why is a movie written by three women filled with women who can’t get laid–even the adorable assistant who has no discernible liabilities?
I should also point out that, even in family movies sometimes, any time the plot involves bikers or prison there will be gay rape jokes. Always. So a lot of people seem to agree that’s funny.
Yeah, pound for pound prison rape is definitely the funniest kind of rape.
“So a lot of people seem to agree that’s funny.”
Which is sad.
Anyone else HORNY AS FUCK?
Stand up and be counted.
Now, I know a good 80% of you film world dudes aren’t taxing muff on any regular basis, so what gets you through the day? HOW CAN YOU LIVE not *fucking* every second of your waking existence?
Oh, and if the chick you’re taxing ISN’T A CELEBRITY, then guess what? SHE DOESN’T COUNT.
I can’t even get erect for nonfamous gash anymore.
I wish I had money, I’d BUY A BETTER CAR, because clearly STATUS COUNTS FOR EVERYTHING in this world, and NO ATTRACTIVE WOMAN IN THE WORLD would fuck a guy who drives an AMERICAN CAR.
Seriously, those are the rules. Drive a shitty car, no matter what your other qualifications, you’re not good enough a man to attract an L.A. woman between 18-29. And you think I’M sexist? You think I’M rude, offensive, and trade in stereotypes? What do you say about an entire city where the only attractive women ONLY DATE OR SCREW guys who HAVE THE MONEY, WHO HAVE THE POWER?
So why should I be so goddamn sensitive, when no ATTRACTIVE woman in L.A. will go for a man who has no STATUS? WOMEN are the bad guy in this equation, not men. I’m just some dumpy schmo and I’m not the best looking guy, but I’m also not the worst looking guy, and my sub-Baldwin/Lapaglia looking douche ass would get OWNED at every turn by a VIC TAYBACK looking motherfucker if Vic had MONEY.
NO MONEY, NO SNATCH. THE #1 RULE OF L.A. NO FANCY CAR, NO ACTION.
There isn’t a single ATTRACTIVE woman under 30 in L.A. who would date a guy who can’t advance her career.
Same probably goes for 30-40 y.o. chicks, too, but guess what? I DON’T GIVE A SHIT, because they’re OLD AS FUCK.
“also, i haven’t seen ‘the ugly truth’ but didn’t they already make pretty much this same movie some years back starring ashley judd as the ‘attractive-but-too-tightly-wound’ journalist/whathaveyou being advised on her romance with a third dude (greg kinnear?) by hugh jackman as the ‘attractive-but-loutish-chauvinist-womaniser’ type, who can’t stand each other but then — amazingly! — fall in love? (the title escapes me)”
Leahnz, it’s called Someone Like You…
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0244970/
NO MONEY, NO SNATCH. THE #1 RULE OF L.A. NO FANCY CAR, NO ACTION.
Move then Lex. Save your soul. You and Wells.
I’ve seen the movie, and although it was not a fantastic piece of cinema, I did not consider the vibrating panties scene a “rape.” Nor did my wife. In fact, other than the scene being pretty illogical (a lot of stuff had to happen to get to the embarrassing orgasm payoff, and most of it made no sense), I would not consider it rape at all. Calling it a “rape,” should actually be offensive to real victims of rape, because it belittles the experience.
Heigl’s character had to opportunity to say “stop” at anytime. She could have gone to the bathroom or simply taken off the panties (embarrassing, yes…but she was not restrained or forced from doing so). Comparing the violence and threat of real rape to a comical situation which any rational person (not a movie character) would never have gotten into or could easily get out of is simply ridiculous and like I said, degrading to victims of actual rape.
thanks ployp, that’s the one!
(yes, crash115, the whole panties/rape analogy is mental)
I agree with Crash.
Isn’t there a nutty strain of feminism that considers any form of heterosexual intercourse to be de facto rape? I seem to recall such an argument being made by a lesbian filmmaker when I was in film school.
to be fair, it wasn’t ‘feminists’ who brought up the bizarre ‘vibrating knickers/rape’ analogy, it was DP
True, Leah.
But I am quite pleased with the sanity and thoughtfulness of the response to that and the murder issue.
My wife, who is pretty much an absolutist about sexual abuse didn’t see it as rape either (as I note that I didn’t).
The one question still unanswered… why so much rage about this film? Why 14% on RT? Yes, a dumb rom-com. But why is this one the one raising so much bile.
And isn’t The Proposal a movie about a harassment situation visited on an employee by an employer? Why didn’t that seem to raise a single hackle?
Maybe it is anger aimed more towards Katherine Heigl having criticized Knocked Up for not having realistic females and then still appearing in a movie like this, which seems far more degrading.
The problem with Heigl and her vibrating pants was the illogical (as already pointed out) nature of it including the grossness of having a kid press the buttons.
If she were truly helpless to change her situation (which she was not) then it would be a form of torture…which would put it into a different dimension and much more unpleasant; but that wasn;t the case.
Unfortunately Knocked Up and Ugly Truth are not so different for Heigl in terms of what she brought to the movies. She maybe should get ugly so she’ll get realistic movies and win an oscar.
The Proposal did bother me in the that subordinate aspect, Dave, even though I like Bullock being in a successful movie. ANyone who has ever been propositioned by a “superior” in work knows how unpleasant that can be in terms of consequences etc.
It was a good a discussion about murder, torture and rape however on the thread.
“The one question still unanswered… why so much rage about this film? Why 14% on RT? Yes, a dumb rom-com. But why is this one the one raising so much bile.
And isn’t The Proposal a movie about a harassment situation visited on an employee by an employer? Why didn’t that seem to raise a single hackle?”
DP, i wish i could offer a personal perspective but i’ve seen neither movie so i’m just guessing here, but having just now quickly perused the ‘rotten tomatoes’ reviews of both films, i don’t see this ‘rage’ you refer to re: ‘ugly truth’, i just see people complaining that the movie is poorly written and executed, not funny (first and foremost), sexist, annoying, stupid, and just plain bad. not rage, just typical disdain for a movie not many critics appear to like.
given that less than 30% of critics are female (i read that statistic so i’m just assuming that approximation is accurate, and looking at the reviews on ‘tomatoes’ that looks about right, possibly even less), it’s obviously not ‘feminists’ who have given ‘proposal’ a pass while trashing ‘ug truth’ based on some gender bias amongst critics, so the gender card would appear to be non-existent.
is it possible that ‘the proposal’ is just a far more enjoyable movie? better made, funnier, more engaging, with more relatable characters and actors? as far as bullock’s character being a sexual harasser…it often makes for good comedy to turn a typical scenario (male boss harassing female employee) on it’s head, and perhaps sandra is just so darn endearing that she manages to pull off the switcheroo with enough class so that it’s not particularly offensive to anyone (and let’s face it, sexual harassment is not really a sore spot for men, it’s not in their sphere of consciousness or of particular concern, so male viewers of ‘the proposal’ are probably much less likely to feel prickly about the film’s scenario than if it was reversed back to the typical male harasser/female harassee – if that’s a word – scenario, which female viewers might find more contentious just in the context of real world employment)
HEIGL is hot as hell. There is no doubt.
YEP YEP.
I think The Proposal is a better and sweeter movie. But the films are not being compared to one another on RT.
14% represents a pile-on. I have read a lot of angry words about the movie. And you know, there are plenty of utterly stupid, badly directed, badly acted movies that don’t end up with 14% on RT.
PS – Audiences like the movie. $3.6 million yesterday. Quite solid, even if it’s still #3 for the day. We’ll see if it drops big next weekend, but I’d be surprised to see anything unusually steep.
I think The Proposal did a good job of showing a reasonable amount of ambiguity to the situation — Reynolds goes along with the plan in part to piss off his dad, while Bullock gets increasingly uncomfortable at the realization that she IS harassing him.
Didn’t see The Ugly Truth. But maybe people thought that Gerard Butler and his Scottish accent could do no wrong, and were pissed that he did?
HEY SORRY LADIES, I don’t drive a Lexus.
Now who’s sexist?
What’s worse, a dude who’s naturally horny and gets excited by women who are actually hot and can admit it…
Or some money-obsessed L.A. chick who gives BJs to advance her career and wouldn’t date a guy who doesn’t pull six figures and drive a Lex?
I DEFY YOU to show me ONE woman in L.A. who isn’t materialistic, shallow, greedy.
I always use this argument:
There isn’t a straight guy under 40 who could get it up for some rich, wrinkled old hag.
But 90% of L.A. woman would have sex with ANY DUDE of ANY AGE who had cash.
LIFE SUCKS.
You think I’m an asshole NOW? Consider this a threat: If I ever get money or get what I truly want, I will make it my life’s fucking MISSION to be THE WORST HUMAN BEING POSSIBLE.
And I can’t FUCKING WAIT.
“HOW’D YOU GUYS LIKE THOSE NACHOS?”
WHO ELSE IS HORNY AS FUCK?
RAISE YOUR HANDZ BITCHES.
OOPS THAT’S NOT MY HAND.
IT’S MY HUGE FUCKING COCK, NOW SENT A GASH OVER TO GET SERVICED LIKE FUCKING CITGO. FRONT TO BACK, ASS TO SQUACK.
MAN IS GOD. BOW.
I AM LISTENING TO THIEF’S THEME BY NAS AND MEAN MUGGING, HOLY SHIT AM I FUCKING AWESOME.
I’M SO DRUNK I CAN’T EVEN GET A BONER AND MY BODY IS SHAKING.
I WISH I HAD SOME FUCKING YEY.
I think I understand the 14% rating on RT, even though I don’t hate the movie and sort of enjoyed parts of it. When I’ve talked to friends about the movie, I usually say it’s okay, but “Proposal” is better, and I think the reason why is that “The Ugly Truth” has to step outside of reason and rationality to get almost all of it’s laughs. In addition to the ridiculous vibrating panty escapade, an earlier scene where Butler evaluates the two married show anchors non-existent sex lives and within 2 minutes has them ready to hump on live television might have been cute on paper, but is so far outside of reality it was had to laugh. The movie is filled with stupid scenes like this, and although Butler and Heigl are somewhat charasmatic and do their best to make it entertaining, you can’t help but feel like you’re laughing “for” them, not with them or at the humor.
I enjoyed “The Proposal” much more, and although there was an undercurrent of harrassment at the beginning, it was obvious that Reynolds was no naive eye candy being abused, and the fact that he almost immeadiately turned the tables on Bullock and took control of the situation balanced the situation well. Bullock and Reynolds had better chemistry and seemed more real, not just movie characters. When ridiculous situations occured (like the stipper scene), they reacted like the audience would…shocked and amused. Just my opinion…
that should have been “Hard to laugh” …not HAD to laugh when I mentioned the scene with the anchors.
“What’s worse, a dude who’s naturally horny and gets excited by women who are actually hot and can admit it…
Or some money-obsessed L.A. chick who gives BJs to advance her career and wouldn’t date a guy who doesn’t pull six figures and drive a Lex?”
Neither are cool nor admirable. You should move.
Lex needs to expand his horizons. There are tons of hot Mexican chicks in L.A. who have nothing to do with the biz. Or check out some Glendale armos or young San Gabrial Chinese hotties.
You’ll always get burned trying to swim in the Westside pool. Gaze east, young man.
And shave the goat. It makes you look like a middle-aged trucker. Only old guys and midwest dorks wear goats these days.
Wreck:
Anyone who knows me or reads my posts knows I am all about the *variety* when it comes to vag, that it’s all good no matter what, and that I’m super into Eastern Bloc chicks and like Eurasians probably the best of anything.
But I think I’ve been out with *one* quote-unquote “white” chick in 15 years in town, and all the rest HAVE been the “exotic” types you outline… only in the Valley and Burbank, they’re the vast majority, and the idea of Caucasian Vag is as elusive as trying to find a Scarlett Johansson type in North Korea.
Being obsessed with movies and actresses, I am now DEMANDING that any chick from here on out is ACTRESS-LEVEL HOTNESS with a HOLLYWOOD PHYSIQUE, regardless of creed or color. Anything less is on par with punching the clown.
And your suggestion is a little odd: What are you saying exactly? “Can’t get a Westside actress? Hey, aim for some poor, appreciative ethnic chick!” CREEPY.
PLUS: Honestly? A lot of Asian and Latina women are SUPER into family, culture, religion, HAVING KIDS, and shit like that. And my general take on that is, FUCK ALLLLLLL that. I want a nice Atheist chick with no living relatives within 4000 miles of Los Angeles. Preferably with tied tubes.
Find me a Latina who NEVER WANTS KIDS and has NO RELATIVES, then I’m down. Otherwise, FUCK meeting the parents and having to go to family events.
I am only interested in hot skanks with NO FAMILY and NO MORALS.
GOOD LORD you’re gross. HOW THIS IS ACCEPTABLE!!?!??!
Find me a nice anorexic chick who was raised in foster homes after her parents abandoned her and moved to the South of France, and who is on at LEAST seventeen forms of birth control at any one time.
Cutters a plus.
YEP YEP.
“And your suggestion is a little odd: What are you saying exactly? ‘Can’t get a Westside actress? Hey, aim for some poor, appreciative ethnic chick!’ CREEPY.”
Ha ha, I’m the creepy one!
Jeff, no need to get wound up.
Lex will continue to only attract the opposite of what he wants in most respects. Then he will be Really old and likely fatter or have a shot liver and have something to really complain about.
Unfortunately one has to scroll alot to get through suicidal misery posts to find filmic-related posts.