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Poll du Jour: Beware Of Norbit’s Ghost


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21 Responses to “Poll du Jour: Beware Of Norbit’s Ghost”

  1. IOv3 says:

    It should effect her but we are all just going to have to accept that Portman has decided to do something differently with her career in her 30s than her 20s. You can’t blame her really, there’s probably more money to be made doing movies like this and Your Highness than Black Swan. So, this Oscar, will be a nice send off to Natalie as you goes and shows her ass in goofy comedies and produces raunchy female based comedies.

  2. LexG says:

    My vote is: LOOK AT HER.

    PORTMAN POWER, suddenly THE HOTTEST WOMAN EVER. YEP YEP.

    You will BOW. The main thing you need to know about NO STRINGS ATTACHED (I’ll give her a string, if you know what I mean) is that she is SHOWING HER FEET on the poster. YEP YEP. LOOK AT HER.

    This NORBIT THING is BULLSHIT. Nobody cares. Has NOTHING to do with QUEEN PORTMAN. YOU WILL BOW TO HER. LOOK AT HER. NORBIT has nothing to do with Murphy’s loss anyway, plus an IVAN REITMAN ROMCOM isn’t exactly like she’s in fucking DATE MOVIE.

    This is the STUPIDEST MEME EVER. SHE IS HOT. SHE IS AWESOME. SHE IS PERFECTION. ALL SHALL BOW. Who do you want to see on that podium, PORTMAN or someone who isn’t as young and hot?

    OH AND THIS IS IMPORTANT:

    Since WHEN is there ANY EXPECTATION that a BEST ACTRESS will follow it up with PRESTIGE? The BEST ACTRESS, the BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS award, have ALWAYS been a gateway to GETTING PAID. CUT AND DRIED, THAT IS IT. You WIN BEST ACTRESS, you become a BOND GIRL. You DO A COMIC BOOK MOVIE. You DO MORE ROMCOMS. YOU GET PAID.

    This is HISTORICAL FACT. Unless I’m forgetting about all the NORMA RAES that Witherspoon or Charlize or Halle or Julia had hot on the heels of their big win.

  3. leahnz says:

    christ, do you ever get tired of just spewing nonsense out your cyber mouth apparently just for the pleasure of reading your own obnoxious ‘voice’? BEST ACTRESS, the BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS award, have ALWAYS been a gateway to GETTING PAID. CUT AND DRIED, THAT IS IT. BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH, THIS IS A HISTORICAL FACT!

    maybe it’s a historical fact up in your own ass, by all means don’t let the facts get in the way of your perpetual buffoonery.

    below the best actress winners over just the last two decades of the modern era are listed, and there might be maybe two actresses on this list that might remotely conform to your theory of turning immediately and only to meaningless $ roles, making career choices JUST TO GET PAID. perhaps a couple examples to be found OUT OF 20, rendering your ridiculous theory just pointless ranting.

    for whatever reasons a few actresses do have a rocky road ahead after winning the category and it can take a bit of time to get back on track with roles that don’t conform to/rebel against expectations or choices made under the microscope and pressure of fleeting admiration (and sometimes it doesn’t happen at all and an actress never manages to forge out a meaningful career for herself after a big win) but it’s by no means always just ‘bond girl’/$-first roles by any stretch, utter nonsense. and the same argument could easily be made re: male ‘best actor’ winners if you wanted to, and it would be nonsense then as well, but ranting nonsense about men just isn’t any fun is it

    your demeaning and dismissive missive re: lead actress oscar winners as mere money mongers after a win is just FoSH as usual with no basis in reality. take halle berry, to use one of your own examples, since you brought her up; she likely already accepted the part as a bond girl in ‘die another day’ – which was released after ‘monster’s ball’ – WELL before she won her oscar for ‘monster’s b’, may have even already shot the movie by then; x-2 was a sequel/continuation of a part she already played well before her oscar, there was the bizarro ‘catwoman’ incident (which she couldn’t possibly have known would turn out so absurdly, comically ridiculous) and ‘gothika’, ‘perfect strangers’ and ‘things we lost in the fire’, none of which could be construed as some big ‘bond girl/paycheck flick’ choices. so what happened to your little theory there? oh yeah, it evaporates under even he flimsiest of scrutiny of the actual facts and thoughtfulness vs. the need for a good ass-wipe mouth-off on a blog.

    1990 Kathy Bates – Misery as Annie Wilkes
    1991 Jodie Foster – The Silence of the Lambs as Clarice Starling
    1992 Emma Thompson – Howards End as Margaret Schlegel
    1993 Holly Hunter – The Piano as Ada McGrath
    1994 Jessica Lange – Blue Sky as Carly Marshall
    1995 Susan Sarandon – Dead Man Walking as Helen Prejean
    1996 Frances McDormand – Fargo as Marge Olmstead-Gunderson
    1997 Helen Hunt – As Good as It Gets as Carol Connelly
    1998 Gwyneth Paltrow – Shakespeare in Love as Viola De Lesseps/Thomas Kent
    1999 Hilary Swank – Boys Don’t Cry as Brandon Teena
    2000 Julia Roberts – Erin Brockovich as Erin Brockovich
    2001 Halle Berry – Monster’s Ball as Leticia Musgrove
    2002 Nicole Kidman – The Hours as Virginia Woolf
    2003 Charlize Theron – Monster as Aileen Wuornos
    2004 Hilary Swank – Million Dollar Baby as Maggie Fitzgerald
    2005 Reese Witherspoon – Walk the Line as June Carter Cash
    2006 Helen Mirren – The Queen as Queen Elizabeth II
    2007 Marion Cotillard – La Vie en Rose as Édith Piaf
    2008 Kate Winslet – The Reader as Hanna Schmitz
    2009 Sandra Bullock – The Blind Side as Leigh Anne Tuohy

  4. LexG says:

    “she likely already accepted the part as a bond girl in ‘die another day’ – which was released after ‘monster’s ball’ – WELL before she won her oscar for ‘monster’s b’, may have even already shot the movie by then;”

    Uh, you mean, kind of like how PORTMAN ALREADY CHOSE AND SHOT THESE FILMS BEFORE THE OSCAR ONSLAUGHT OF BLACK SWAN? How Murphy already had Norbit in the can when Oscar season started?

    YAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

  5. leahnz says:

    are you retarded?

    you said this, clearly implying that AFTER an actress wins an oscar she GOES FOR THE $:

    “Since WHEN is there ANY EXPECTATION that a BEST ACTRESS will follow it up with PRESTIGE? The BEST ACTRESS, the BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS award, have ALWAYS been a gateway to GETTING PAID. CUT AND DRIED, THAT IS IT. You WIN BEST ACTRESS, you become a BOND GIRL. You DO A COMIC BOOK MOVIE. You DO MORE ROMCOMS. YOU GET PAID.”

    you wrote that, bright spark. halle berry did bond BEFORE an oscar was a twinkle in her eye, just as portman did those parts BEFORE a possible oscar was a twinkle in her eye, rendering your idiotic theory above glaringly stupid. reading comprehension: look into it.

  6. LexG says:

    I don’t even know or care what you are talking about, crazy lady.

    Mostly I was just saying that Portman is hot and the Norbit theory is bullshit.

    I wasn’t issuing a referendum on gender issues.

  7. leahnz says:

    crazy lady! aw, way to be original, petal (but you left out lesbian and ugly feminist, are you feeling okay?) did anyone say or otherwise imply you were issuing a referendum on gender issues, bright spark? again, reading comprehension is your friend.

    what you wrote was inane. deal with it instead of being an ‘i don’t know what you’re talking about’ weenie drip

  8. LexG says:

    Leah, Christ, have a fucking Fosters and chill out, please. You are, as you often do, picking fights and going FULL THROTTLE I AM WOMAN HEAR ME ROAR SISTERHOOD OF THE PANTS where there is no need.

    Speaking of comprehension, lost on you is the fact that I was SPEAKING EFFUSIVELY about ONE OF THE GREATEST WOMEN IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD, Natalie Portman. She is like the MIGHTY SUFFRAGETTES of yore. So spare me your thinly-veiled accusations of sexism.

    I am the MOST FEMINIST COMMENTER ON THIS BLOG. After all, I’m the ONLY MAN IN AMERICA who goes to see movies based on the actress. So POINT FOR ME.

  9. leahnz says:

    what did i say that’s thinly veiled? spare me, psycho boy. if you can’t take criticism of your idiocy, don’t post it. my comment was in direct rebuttal of yours re: the subject at hand, completely on point. how is this picking a fight, because you consider refuting your idiocy picking a fight? poor widdel baaaby

  10. LexG says:

    I am not sexist. At all. AT ALL. Sick of you harping on me on this front, for years now.

  11. leahnz says:

    lol, you’re possibly the most ignorant, sexist twat i’ve ever come across. if i could be bothered i could find KAZILLIONS of examples. LEYKIS!!!! denial is a looooong river in egypt and you’re riding it like a pro, i’ll give you that

  12. The Pope says:

    LexG,
    when you’re in a hole, stop digging.

  13. LexG says:

    Portman.

  14. Proman says:

    Poland you are an idiot. Your Highness looks phenomenal. No strings attached WILL BE BETTER THAN THE PROPOSAL!

    These are not Norbit!

    Also, Arkin won because Arkin was fucking awesome!

  15. jesse says:

    Agree that the “Norbit cost Murphy his Oscar” theory is bunk and the “some other movie will cost someone else an Oscar for not being an Oscar-y movie” is double-bunk. Norbit cost Murphy the Oscar ONLY maybe in the sense that it was a symptom of his tendency to take paycheck gigs whenever possible, and in fact almost exclusively over the past decade (although Norbit — which I haven’t seen — is one of his playing-all-the-parts, co-written movies, isn’t it? Which means it’s probably a more personal project than a lot of his other cash-outs). But really, it probably had more to do with Murphy’s accompanying rep as a standoffish prick; a sense that he hasn’t paid any dues recently; affection for Arkin; and lower-than-expected Oscar interest in Dreamgirls as a whole.

    As Lex points out, an Ivan Reitman rom-com is not Norbit; even if it sucks (and it might; My Super Ex-Girlfriend is one of decade’s the worst big comedies that should not have sucked), it’s not going to sucky in a NOISY, CRASS sort of way. Proman is right; even a mediocre version of No Strings Attached will be better than The Proposal, as well as 27 Dresses, When in Rome, Leap Year, or pretty much most romantic comedies from the past five years that no one counts against anyone. It might be bland or dopey or too on-the-nose, and certainly I’d rather see a more interesting dude opposite Portman than Kutcher (like Topher Grace, even), but it doesn’t look like the kind of disaster that could even kinda-sorta ding her reputation with Oscar voters.

    But it must be an attractive meme, because people were even saying this about Justin Timberlake, The Social Network, and Yogi Bear. I mean, I don’t think J-Tim is gonna be nominated but I sure as hell don’t think that’s because voters are going to remember or care that he did a cartoon character voice in a crummy movie (and pretty well, actually). The voting body has a ton of actors in it! Actors know that you can’t wait around for your next awards bait if you’re going to have a career!

  16. cadavra says:

    Norbit didn’t cost Eddie Murphy his Oscar. Eddie Murphy cost Eddie Murphy his Oscar.

  17. hcat says:

    I don’t think we should discount that Bening gave a second incredible performance in Mother and Child this year. That can only work in her favor.

  18. cadavra says:

    On the other hand, it could also split her vote.

  19. hcat says:

    It doesn’t matter, whichever she gets the most noms for, she is in, Oscar will not double nominate you in the same category, which is why Winslet was up for the Reader, and Leo was up for Blood Diamond instead of Departed.

  20. cadavra says:

    No, my point is that if two pictures split her vote, they could wind up, say, 7th and 9th and thus she wouldn’t be nominated at all. Not unprecedented (see Sidney Poitier, 1967).

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