Harry Potter Spoiler Thread
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Two quick notes that I didn’t make in my mini-review. 1. LOVE the Larry King goblin. I thought he was going to take calls after the half-hour. 2. Ciarin Hinds kills it.
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It shows how out of it I was in trying to be in it, acknowledging that I was out of it to myself, and then thinking, “Okay, how do I stop being out of it? Well, I get some legitimate illogical narrative ideas” ā some novel, you know?
So I decided on three writers that I might be able to option their material and get some producer, or myself as producer, and then get some writer to do a screenplay on it, and maybe make a movie.
And so the three projects were “Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep,” “Naked Lunch” and a collection of Bukowski. Which, in 1975, forget it ā I mean, that was nuts. Hollywood would not touch any of that, but I was looking for something commercial, and I thought that all of these things were coming.
There would be no Blade Runner if there was no Ray Bradbury. I couldn’t find Philip K. Dick. His agent didn’t even know where he was. And so I gave up.
I was walking down the street and I ran into Bradbury ā he directed a play that I was going to do as an actor, so we know each other, but he yelled “hi” ā and I’d forgot who he was.
So at my girlfriend Barbara Hershey’s urging ā I was with her at that moment ā she said, “Talk to him! That guy really wants to talk to you,” and I said “No, fuck him,” and keep walking.
But then I did, and then I realized who it was, and I thought, “Wait, he’s in that realm, maybe he knows Philip K. Dick.” I said, “You know a guy namedā” “Yeah, sure ā you want his phone number?”
My friend paid my rent for a year while I wrote, because it turned out we couldn’t get a writer. My friends kept on me about, well, if you can’t get a writer, then you write.”
~ Hampton Fancher
“That was the most disappointing thing to me in how this thing was played. Is that Iām on the phone with you now, after all thatās been said, and the fundamental distinction between what James is dealing with in these other cases is not actually brought to the fore. The fundamental difference is that James Franco didnāt seek to use his position to have sex with anyone. Thereās not a case of that. He wasnāt using his position or status to try to solicit a sexual favor from anyone. If he had ā if that were what the accusation involved ā the show would not have gone on. We would have folded up shop and we would have not completed the show. Because then it would have been the same as Harvey Weinstein, or Les Moonves, or any of these cases that are fundamental to this new paradigm. Did you not notice that? Why did you not notice that? Is that not something notable to say, journalistically? Because nobody could find the voice to say it. Iām not just being rhetorical. Why is it that you and the other critics, none of you could find the voice to say, āYou know, itās not this, itās thatā? Because ā let me go on and speak further to this. If you go back to the L.A. TimesĀ piece, thatās what it lacked. Thatās what they were not able to deliver. The one example in the five that involved an issue of a sexual act was between James and a woman he was dating, who he was not working with. There was no professional dynamic in any capacity.
~ David Simon
Yeah all you keep doing is Luciusing things up!
You know, it’s kind of… well, sad to see how many comments have been posted here — and over at the other blog — on a Friday night. Talk about the novelty wearing off…
Joe, these horror fans really aren’t that interested in Harry Potter. Go read the review thread, where they some how get to PATHOLOGY in a thread about one of the grandest cinematic achievements of all-time.
Hypothetical question: How much money would these movies have made if there were no books? Just movies based on somebody’s scripts. Do they even deserve to be made or watched in that case?
Can you think of any screenwriters with an 8-picture deal who had total control over the ongoing story?
Without the books this would have been on cable, at best.
And yet, if the studio wasn’t trying to kiss up to an author with a large kiddie following maybe they wouldn’t have tossed the first movie to such a bland and uninspired director. So the series might have gotten off to a better start, but good luck with that whole story arc business. Would likely be monster of the year instead.
Joe – which other blog? There’s several.
Also, HARRY DIES.
There’s a spoiler for ya.
Of coarse, Harry dies, but he is reincarnated into Hermione’s unborn child.
Interesting how much this film is over-performing at the box office. Was just looking back at this thread where some questioned if it would be able to limp to $250-300M, and here it looks like it’s be close to $200M after the first weekend.
http://moviecitynews.com/2011/05/16-weeks-of-summer-charts-take-2/
overperforming like a mother fucker. that’s the thing about box office history. it’s often a good indicator, it is rarely a great indicator.
who saw Dark Knight revenues based off of Batman Begins?
7 Harry Potter films have performed extremely well and been consistent at the box office. Then the final one comes out and just destroys everything that came before it.
Then again, what other precedent is there for this?
It’s the farewell cruise, the last goodbye, a one-time party that everyone who finally caught up with the story on video is turning out for.
Lol at me being out of the loop on Potter 8. I haven’t been interested in these movies since the first 1 or 2 came out, and now they’re up to 8 and selling better than ever. It just goes to show how well targeted the advertising for these movies is that you can literally be just vaguely aware the movie is coming out, and yet it opens to $180 mill+ opening weekend? Is is that just all the fans coming out at once, or a film that is expanding back into casual fan/average moviegoer interest?
I stated this when the first trailer came out and I will repeat it now: THIS IS THE MOVIE EVENT OF A GENERATION! I went to a theatre with 12 sell outs and the people stayed in the lobby hanging out for 3 hours. Literally, they were just enjoying the atmosphere of Potter one last time, and that’s why this film is doing as well as it is. It’s the last chance to see that world on screen and why anyone would think the film wouldn’t kill it this weekend has obviously never been a part of the POTTER COMMUNITY.
Oh yeah, the next time someone wants to state I don’t know Box Office. Yeah, TOLD YA š !
ETA: Martin it’s the last one, and people like endings. It’s also a tremendous war film and film in general.
JS: Did you expect it to be the movie event of a generation? š
You’re all forgetting one thing….the movie is fucking great. It is as good…maybe better than the last Lord of the Rings movie. I honestly can’t remember the last film I saw where I was on the edge of my seat so often. This is story telling on a grand epic scale. The performances across the board are terrific and everyone seems to come back and have a movie moment. Yes, I’ve had problems with some of the previous entries (especially the Columbus ones), but I can’t remember a film franchise ever that has been so maintained and given me so many ‘oooh’ and ‘aaah’ moments ever. I am not a 20 year old fanboy, but I will definitely see this again in a theater. Plus the 3-D work on it was fantastic.
The action does move quite fast and I do have some questions about the plot which I might post here later.
Not only is it the movie event for a generation, but as noted in one of the Cracked articles I linked to, there are an awful lot of girls interested in this one. How many other big franchises with a male lead have attracted so many female viewers?
Sam, outside of Twilight, hardly any. Most of these big franchises are sausage parties but Potter seems to attract not only woman but a lot of gay males as well. It’s like the super inclusive franchise compared to others, that are again… SAUSAGE PARTIES!
MWNN, I have no idea how this search function works on this blog, but go back a year to when the first trailer came out. I stated then that this movie would make a killing and pretty much every one rebuffed me.
Search other threads where I stated this is a movie event of a generation and people like Joe Leydon mocked me for thinking such a thing.
Anyone who knew anything about this franchise, should have seen this coming. Why I got crap for stating the obvious is really really confounding.
For those of you unfamiliar with the books, Deathly Hallows absolutely soared above the rest, I mean, it was way above YA fiction; hence, the basis for a “best in series” finale. My teen son grew up with these books, we read them together, for all of the kids in his generation (btw, what is this generation of teens called…after Gen X, Gen Y, the Millenials…what’s next?) the evolution of the books and characters mirrored their own coming of age.
I don’t care if I sound corny or sentimental, I absolutely cannot wait to see 7.2 on Sunday, and I expect tears through most/all of it! š
Jenna, you are indeed right. I could hear folks sobbing through out the entire midnight screening.
Ten minutes of slow, methodical talking and uninspired wide group shots and then two straight hours of INTENSE FINALE. I was impressed that Yates finally figured out how to employ effects, although some still look like actors in front a screen saver (the white King’s Crossing for example).
The score is also way to sparingly used and downbeat. Otherwise, yeah, total blockbuster material here. A++, would buy again.
i liked the final Potter. A lot more than many of the others in the series. Because for 6 films we got hints and mystery and potential character reveals. In the final 2, we get catharsis, and it’s about fucking time.
I felt elated to see characters like Snape and Draco Malfoy get validated. I always found Draco a more interesting character, like what the Anakin Skywalker scenario could have been. Then again, maybe they should have done Anakin more like Harry. Except at the end when offered limitless power he embraces it rather than chuck it into a ravine. Anyway….
What worked in this movie was something the series always seemed to lack: forward momentum. So much time is spent in the Harry Potter films building up a mystery, that Deathly Hallows pt 2 feels like the orgasm after a ten year tease.
The format works so well for book series, but to me the movies would have benefitted from being a little bigger. Take a little more time to build up the supporting characters.
The epilogue was a little quick. Aprropriate for a 2 hour movie but not a 20 hour saga. People kick the LOTR movies for having a seemingly endless series of epilogues but the characters earned the right to have some time spent in the aftermath. I think it’s like 6 or 7 minutes between Voldermort dying and the end of the movie. I think another ten minutes to send off the series would have been warranted.
I know it’s a strange movie to harken back to, but i kept thinking about the end of We Are Marshall when Matthew Fox goes to the locker room at the end and is by himself and finally cries for his fallen friends. I felt like i needed a moment where Harry completes his journey and has that moment where he is finally allowed to grieve for all he has suffered, all the people he lost. We get a walk down the great hall and snippets of the survivors. At the end of the movie, he seemed so unaffected by all of it. After everything he went through, a few more minutes of an epilogue would have been duly warranted.
Oh, and the train station stuff at the end… (cringe). I guess they’re supposed to be in their late 30’s? It just looked like no effort was made at all. And again, why not let the audience live a little bit in that portion of the story. Give a little time to see what these kids grew into. For an audience that spend 20 hours watching these movies, could’nt they have done a little more service to the characters with a proper ending.
I never thought i’d say the final two part installment of a saga didn’t give me a proper wrap up. Good movie, lots of fun, lots of action. I could have used some more time with these characters.
And Tofu, totally agree, this one had the best use of FX and 2nd unit work of any of Yates’ film.
DH: PART II was tremendous, an amazing end to this series. It’s an intense emotional experience, expertly manipulating the built-in resonance and atatchments that the audience has with these characters, who they have literally grown up alongside. The whole thing is great and wonderful, beautiful to look at, rousing but also deeply sad and affecting. Yates is an MVP for the way that he’s stuck the landing with these last four movies (the very best in the series in my opinion), and the action is great, thrilling and nerve wrecking. It’s a triumph from top to bottom but the last forty minutes or so is honestly incredible, a pefect climax. The pay-off to the Snape storyline (including Rickman’s heart breaking performance) was tear inducing, and HE WHO SHALL NOT BE NAMED is shockingly scary and evil and iconic. A classic end to a classic series.
Anghus, you have no idea how much effort they put into that epilogue. They did it with practical effects at first, the pictures leaked, and people were shocked by it. After Legacy, they called those guys, and CLUed up everything. Which made everyone looks so much better.
I also think your criticisms are like those from Capone and I just have to respond with: you have over 18 hours with these characters. You should know them by now and this should be enough.
yes io, i know. why bother heaping any criticism on any geek film?
everything is perfect as nothing warrants discussion.
seriously man, why even bother commenting if all you’re ever going to say is ‘ITS ENOUGH, ACCEPT IT’. That’s not really inviting a discussion or countering anything i said.
Youre like the 12 year old kid who finally gets to sit at the adult table and you desperately want to take part in the conversation but have nothing to say or value to add. People are talking about debt ceilings and trade tarrifs and you cry out I LIKE OBAMA, HE’S THE PRESIDENT.
That’s great Billy. Thanks for the contribution.
this is a film blog. people are going to discuss the movie. I think just about everyone here said they liked it, some loved it, but we want to discuss some of the finer points.
you don’t see finer points. why not let those who want to discuss the intricacies of the film discuss them without feeling the need to chime in with the inevitable YOURE SO WRONG.
We all know your side. You loved it, its the most epic thing ever and the greatest film to ever be released. There are others who enjoy dissecting films and discussing the subtleties (or lack thereof) and nuances of cinema.
You don’t need to follow every marginally critical post about a film you love and desperately defend it by saying absolutely nothing. Its a really good movie, a nice ending to a series that more often than not has been above the curve. And yet, some of us might levy some criticism against it. That’s what people who really like movies do. The pour over it and spend time thinking about things. It’s almost insulting to see someone post 6 or 7 paragraphs on a topic only to see the inevitable JS Partisan “NO WAY, IT’S AWESOME, YOURE WRONG”.
This is not a ‘fuck you, io’ post. This is constructive criticism. Bring something, anything to the discussion other than rabid fanboy reactions. I’m going to give you an example. You said
“you have over 18 hours with these characters. You should know them by now and this should be enough”
So rather than just say ‘you’re wrong’, i’m going to read that sentence and respond.
Yes, we have 18 hours with these characters. The epilogue is about 7 minutes. So in this magical journey we’ve taken we could spend maybe twice that time seeing what happened to some of the characters after Voldermort was finally destroyed?
I think i’m going to post this in list form…
1. Do you think that fans of the film would have minded a little more time on the epilogue?
2. Do you think the movie would have suffered by adding 10 minutes to the end?
3. Could you see how someone might feel the series was ‘front loaded’? Since there was so much mystery to the first 6 films and so much payout on the last 2 that someone could feel that after a 10 year build up and a 2 film conclusion that the movie could have been longer?
I would think such a big fan of the Harry Potter series would have enjoyed some more time with the characters. I can’t believe that your argument to that is ‘IT WAS ENOUGH’.
The fact that you still think this is about me being more right than you is another example as why you are a thin-skinned individual. Seriously sir, I see the finer points, but you are not making finer point. None of you make finer points. You just make points and act as if everyone has to agree with them and then give me flack as if I need to be right all the time. We aren’t friends but I still do not get how we can’t disagree without some of you flying off the handle on me.
1) There are various Potter fans and it’s not like the epilogue is that much different from the book. If you want more from this franchise then read the books.
2) Every Potter film should have been three hours. We always want more but we are happy with what we got. That’s the problem I have always had with you as a poster: you search out flaws and that’s just hokey to me.
3) Yeah they explained where we were going in the first film. I’ve just rewatched them with my mom and spent 30 hours watching them roughly back to back in a theatre. It’s all there in these films. If you want more, after my experience recently, you didn’t really get everything you could have from the previous seven films. If you disagree, fine, but please stop acting the way you did above. It’s just weird.
I thought the aging work on the characters was great. The work was very subtle but believable.
I think that with all the amazing special effects, design work, great music, costumes, and a story that truly moves us in the end, that this film deserves to be a top Oscar contender. Potter films have never been major players in the top awards categories, but then again Potter films have never been this good. I could also see a nomination for Alan Rickman.
“Youāre criticisms are weak. I can point out that they are weak. The fact that you canāt handle someone hoping you are intuitive enough to just understand that ending, is not my problem. You responded above like a bully and a jerk because I find criticisms lacking.”
And again, you debate like a 12 year old. That’s not being a bully man. That’s just pointing out that you don’t discuss issues, you just pass judgment on the validity of a comment without having the capacity of discussing it in depth.
You find my criticisms lacking. Which part? Why do you find it lacking. What’s your counterpoint other than ‘You’re wrong’.
The ending is not difficult to understand, at all. To imply that anyone didn’t get the ending is idiotic. EVERYBODY got the ending. My 8 year old nephew understood the ending. My problem is not understanding the ending but wishing i had gotten more moments with the characters in the epilogue. I thought there were more opportunities to have some quieter moments with these characters who felt like they earned a longer epilogue. To say ‘i liked the movie and wanted more’ is not a criticism that you agree with?
Asking someone to go into more detail isn’t bullying io. For the first time on this board someone is asking to hear your thoughts in more detail. This is engagement, brother. This is a guy who comes to this board asking another to have a discussion on the movie. Counter a point with a point man. Just saying ‘youre wrong’ or ‘i find your criticisms lacking’ are closed statements that anyone can make.
Actually engaging in a discussion of why you think im wrong and addressing why my criticisms are lacking is the kind of stuff that makes for interesting conversation.
there we go. that’s engagement right there. you took the time to address what i said and countered with your own valid points.
thank you.
1. i didn’t read the books so i only knew what i knew from the movies. that’s probably why i wanted a longer ending.
2. when a movie is good, usually i start with what didn’t work for me, because it’s easy to understand what did. great action, great acting, epic storytelling. My criticisms are mostly based on wanting a little more.
Example – at the end when the weird blonde girl sits next to the kid who killed the snake and saved the world. Is that kind of implying they end up together? (edit – i should have said, that implied they ended up together, is that ever addressed in the book)
3. I don’t think saying ‘hey man, let me hear your thoughts’ on this is weird. you’re obviously very well versed in all things potter and passionate about them. why wouldnt i want you to say more than ‘NOPE’ or ‘YOURE WRONG’. No one learns anything from that, nor does it spurn more interesting conversation.
Caught it last night, and thought it was mostly terrific. Dave, agree wholeheartedly that Hinds as Aberforth absolutely ruled, in a role that was severely slimmed down from the book (by necessity). The Snape death scene and subsequent explanation of his motivation was handled perfectly. Also liked some of the tweaks from the book, e.g., Harry revealing himself to Snape in the Great Hall and Harry snapping the elder wand in two. The whole build-up to the Battle of Hogwarts was utterly terrific, and loved the casting of Kelly McDonald as the Grey Lady – just another example of how this series has been impeccable in casting even the smallest parts.
As far as I’m concerned, everything up to King’s Cross was pretty much perfect – or, at least, as good a streamlining of the book as we were going to get (still bummed we didn’t get Fred’s death scene). After that, it felt somewhat anticlimactic, like Yates/Kloves were just ticking stuff off a list. Neville kills snake? Check. Mrs. Weasley kills Bellatrix? Check (that scene in particular really suffered from the need to get everything into that last 45 mins). And the final battle with Voldy was a bit of a botch, but the book’s version was too – guess nobody could figure out a good way to finish him off.
But in all, it was a satisfying ending to a consistently solid series, one that was impeccably cast, never less than beautifully produced and, at its worst, felt like it was just spinning its wheels in trying to cram in all the big moments from the books. That the films never really achieved greatness feels ok, because reaching for it was never their primary concern. At their best, they worked as a nice visual counterpart to a popular literary phenomenon, and one that will be remembered and watched for a long, long time.
So you aren’t being a bully but attack me again. Do you know what it means to be a BULLY?
“there we go. thatās engagement right there. you took the time to address what i said and countered with your own valid points.”
I didn’t counter with a thing. I simply responded to a poster that I dislike with about as much consideration that I could muster :P.
“thank you.”
Eh.
“1. i didnāt read the books so i only knew what i knew from the movies. thatās probably why i wanted a longer ending.”
While I hate the freaking book obsessives. If you love or even like the films: read the books. There are differences but they are still tremendous.
“2. when a movie is good, usually i start with what didnāt work for me, because itās easy to understand what did. great action, great acting, epic storytelling. My criticisms are mostly based on wanting a little more.”
Again I don’t get the point of looking for flaws. Flaws are why the internet exist, so people can spend hundreds of words going on about why stuff sucks. I chose to ignore them, realize that nothing is perfect, and go with the flow.
“Example ā at the end when the weird blonde girl sits next to the kid who killed the snake and saved the world. Is that kind of implying they end up together? (edit ā i should have said, that implied they ended up together, is that ever addressed in the book)”
This is my problem. You want more but you don’t know the names Neville Longbottom and Luna Lovegood? Seriously? Neville has been around since the first film, has had great character moments in each, and Luna Lovegood is played by an actress who basically got an audition thanks to JK Rowling. Seriously, you want more time but you don’t know NEVILLE AND LUNA? Freaking muggles.
“3. I donāt think saying āhey man, let me hear your thoughtsā on this is weird. youāre obviously very well versed in all things potter and passionate about them. why wouldnt i want you to say more than āNOPEā or āYOURE WRONGā. No one learns anything from that, nor does it spurn more interesting conversation.”
Again, I am trying to be nice, and not start a fight. That’s why I responded and edited my posts.
Can someone please spoil whether or not Emma wears any sexy outfits or shows her feet?
Thanks in advance.
Feet? Really? Nah, she wears her Hermione shoes the whole time.
Don’t forget: JS watched all the films with his mom so everything he says is correct.
Did Warwick Davis really play two roles in this thing? Why doesn’t that get more play in the media?
no one looks for flaws io.
you watch a movie and at the end most people determine whether they liked it or not.
Some people go so far as to think about what they liked and may find a few things that they wished had happened differently or didn’t agree with. Flaws are easier to discuss in detail sometimes because if you agree on a topic, what else is there to discuss.
people discuss perceived flaws because they are usually the source of disagreement and thus you end up with a potentially interesting discussion.
I guess on the flip side we could discuss favorite moments from the HP series.
The end of Azkaban was always my favorite. When he figures out he’s the one he’s been seeing across the river, cast the spell and expels the dementors. I thought that movie had the best ending of any in the series, other that DHpt2. It felt like the most proper ending instead of the infinite ellipses from the later films. 1 and 2 wrapped up tidy but were the weakest efforts.
No Mr. Peel and nice dickbaggery there for no reason, I watched them all in one theatre in a 28 hour time period. Did any of you have the moxy or stamina to do that? Probably not. He does indeed play two roles in this movie. I believe in Chamber he plays three.
Yeah Azkaban is not only the weakest installment but stating that The Deathly Hallows are the weakest efforts demonstrates why you sir, fall behind the FIRST CLASS line. That’s such a mind-numbing horrible view of this series but you are a horror fan and love Empire. Again, freaking muggles :P.
JS Partisan says:
July 16, 2011 at 10:18 am
“Oh yeah, the next time someone wants to state I donāt know Box Office. Yeah, TOLD YA š !”
IOv2 says:
July 10, 2010 at 10:16 pm
“When HP7 makes 3 billion dollars thanks to the 3D bump, will you get it then, or are you still going to fain ignorance?”
*cough*
Hey I have made more reasonable predictions recently but seeing as you are a… HOLD ON! YOU HAVEN’T SEEN THIS MOVIE! WHY ARE YOU POSTING IN A SPOILER THREAD?
Cough indeed.
Go see the movie and then come back here and post.
I plead the 5th. O:)
FS, you are a pisser š !
I do, indeed, piss. Guilty as charged.
jennab, according to Strauss & Howe’s “Generations”, the current crop of teens are Millennials (born 1982-2000; aka Generation Y, the Net Generation, or Generation Next, thanks to Pepsi). Generation X was the only one previous to them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generations_%28book%29#List_of_Generations
LexG: Yates makes one of his greatest directorial decisions with a precise bit of camera placement for a shot involving Hermione suspended horizontally in mid-air wearing a lower cut top. But thats about it my friend.
Late to the game today, but I’m firmly in the ‘liked it a lot, but disappointed that I didn’t love it’ crowd. I do wish the movie had been much longer, as I’m baffled that Yates chose the series finale as the one to make rather short. I loved each ending to Return of the King and certainly would have championed a similar approach here. The above We Are Marshall example is a good one (same great moment occurs in the third-season finale of 24), and that’s just the kind of ‘recovering from war’ moments that I would have wanted to see with Harry and the surviving cast. There is too much emphasis on the Horcruxes being found, not enough on the supporting cast fighting for their lives in the ‘big battle’. The final Harry vs. Voldemort battle itself is rather perfunctory, without any real emotion. Plus, and this is a book flaw, the way Voldemort goes down is so convoluted that it needs explanation after the fact, which in turn robs the death of Voldemort of any power at the time (instead of ‘cheering’, you’re wondering what the hell just happened).
It’s not a bad movie, in fact at times it’s a very very good movie (it occurred to me that I’ve never actually seen Alan Rickman really show raw emotion in the mostly popcorn-y films I’ve seen him in). But it IS a bit of a letdown from the perspective of being an epic sendoff to a ten-year long franchise. Easy way to fix – Put the vault robbery sequence (which wasted precious screen time) onto the end of the last picture and use that extra 20-30 minutes to give us more battle footage and post-Voldemort stuff. I can only imagine that a 3-hour cut of this one would have been on par with Return of the King. For those who loved it as much as I wanted to, you have my sincere jealousy.
For those who care – http://scottalanmendelson.blogspot.com/2011/07/review-harry-potter-and-deathly-hallows.html
I am actually glad that they keep the ending short unlike Return of the King which has like 100 endings.
It’s a very good movie, I like it quite a bit, no it’s not a great movie, but it’s head and should above all the summer action films this year. I will miss the series in a weird way. I think that’s mostly because I do care about the three main characters, not that they are 3 dimensional, but I have seen them in all 8 movies. It’s like watching someone growing up in front on you.
Plus, these films always deliver good entertainment, which shouldn’t be taken for granted.
I’m sure it wasn’t all that weepy and emotional because they all knew Hermione would just go back and rescue everyone with her Time-Turner.
The official line on Time Turners is that every single one in the entire world was smashed during the fight at the Ministry of Magic in Order of the Phoenix.
Like the Church Lady always said, “How convenient.”
Give the most powerful device in the universe to kids and they use it to take extra classes, but once they realize they can use it to save lives you suddenly hear “Oops, bad idea–let’s get rid of ’em.”
And Peter, the ending of the books was actually much longer, considering how Saruman was still alive, in charge of the Shire like a mobster, and had to be defeated again. Was Jackson wise to edit that out?
Yeah Return of the King is my least favorite of the LOTR films because it just has the worst pacing in the world unlike The Deathly Hallows. Seriously, the Deathly Hallows is one movie, I basically saw them back to back, and it works perfectly that way. Viewing them as separate ignores that they are meant and one day will be a complete film, and as a complete film it is a stunning achievement. Only the Academy could screw up their 10 picture rule in order to screw over Nolan again and possibly this stunning achievement of cinema.
If they ignore HP again, when they literally bent over for a franchise that’s only carried on by 30 somethings because 20 somethings were watching HARRY POTTER growing up. They just once again demonstrate a general lack of not getting it, and put themselves closer to being an event streaming on the net.
Oh boy: http://www.thewrap.com/movies/column-post/harry-potter-franchise-gets-wacky-sendoff-taiwanese-animation-company-video-29060
With Voldemort in the kitchen, you might want to avoid ordering the chicken.
I thought Deathly Hallows was JK’s strongest book. Book-strength hasn’t usually been a factor with the movie quality (Order of the Phoenix was her weakest book but one of the more enjoyable movies), but the pieces that disappointed me in the movie were because they were great scenes in the book and got short shrift. Mrs. Weasley going Ripley on Bellatrix was a great scene in the book, but it was shoe-horned into the battle. Ditto Fred’s death. And the Malfoys’ redemption.
But I loved how they handled Snape, loved the time they took at the beginning with Griphook, loved Ciaran Hinds, loved Kelly MacDonald, and there was a lot of sniffling around me when Harry’s talking to his late parents, Sirius and Remus.
So if the biggest complaint is it wasn’t long enough, that’s a good sign.
(I thought there might be something after the end credits, but nope. During our end credits we had alarms go off in the theater, but we stayed to make sure there wasn’t anything. Then when we went outside, we learned there was a man in one of the projection rooms with a “device” and a lighter trying to blow the place up. I figure he’d seen Zookeeper.)
The movie was fantastic, I just have one complaint: I think Yates/Kloves missed the boat with the final Harry/Voldemort confrontation.
Anyone else expecting something really cool and badass from Potter during the final moments when Voldemort is threatening the rest of the school? I kept waiting for Harry to pop up, freak out the Death Eaters, and then lay down at least one whupass moment on everyone (I’m thinking about that one instant where Luke kicks Vader down the stairs in Jedi, the moment it’s recognized HE is as dangerous to Vader as vice versa). instead he just falls out of Hagrid’s arms and scurries away.
Also, Voldemort’s death was underwhelming. I was in a theater rabid for the movie, cheering and applauding virtually every beat. When Voldemort finally dies? Nothing. That’s a miss on the part of the filmmakers.
Risking your butt getting blown off just to see if there’s an Easter egg at the end–now there’s dedication!
My, what a presumptuous title: “The Boy Who Lived Forever” ( http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,2081784,00.html )
Let’s reconvene in 20 years and see how many people are still writing Potter fanfic. Jeez, how long’s it been since girls were turning out Kirk/Spock stories?
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