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Friday Estimates by Klady – 1/5

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66 Responses to “Friday Estimates by Klady – 1/5”

  1. movieman says:

    That’s a surprisingly solid bow for “One Missed Call,” isn’t it?
    Considering how poorly most B horor flicks have been performing lately, Warner Brothers should be patting themselves on the back right now.
    Interesting to see how “P.S.” switched places with “Charlie Wilson” for the first time in three weeks.
    Could lukewarm “general audience” buzz for “CW” be catching up with it after a (somewhat) stronger than predicted holiday run?
    Or is “P.S.” simply getting better w.o.m. among its core demographic (middle-aged women) than it deserves?
    I’m still amazed that the only real casualty of the season was a movie that most people expected to be a major hit (“Walk Hard”).
    “CWW,” “P.S.,” “Water Horse” and “Alien vs Predator” have all exceeded expectations. Hell, even “The Great Debaters” has quietly done OK on a smaller-than-average screen count.
    (I still think Weinstein should have held it for Martin Luther King weekend and given it a BIG Denzel push.)

  2. Wrecktum says:

    “‘CWW,’ ‘P.S.,’ ‘Water Horse’ and ‘Alien vs Predator’ have all exceeded expectations.”
    None of them have hit $50m. How can that be defined as exceeding expectations?

  3. Joe Leydon says:

    Actually, I am a little surprised that Aliens Vs. Predator has dropped out of the Top Ten so quickly. I mean, I wasn’t expecting a $100 million gross, but sheesh.

  4. Botner says:

    I think that with this continuted success, Juno has went from a potential Best Picture underdog to positioning itself as one of the favorites.

  5. Rob says:

    It definitely seems that way. And Atonement is hanging in there really well, too.

  6. movieman says:

    Perhaps my expectations were lower than yours were, Wrecktum.
    I seriously didn’t think that any of them–particularly the creaky, veddy British “The Water Horse”–would ever hit $25-million.
    So the fact that they’ve all done considerably better than that (some, like “CWW,” better than others) and found their target audience (however “niche” it may have been) was something of a surprise.
    And seriously, did anyone really think that any of those films were capable of generating “I am Legend” or “National Treasure 2” figures? I think the modest commercial success of all four definitely pleased their respective distributers. And it’ll unquestionably help make the marketing of the forthcoming dvds a lot easier for all concerned.
    Yes, Botner, I also believe that “Juno”‘s out-of-the-ballpark success now marks it as the “little movie that (certainly) could” in this year’s Oscar race.

  7. anghus says:

    once again, fox searchlight proves they know how to release a film.
    their track record continues to impress me.
    i try to wonder what they could have done with Assasination of Jesse James.

  8. movieman says:

    Wow!
    Sorry for that ungrammatical posting–too many interruptions and distractions on this end.
    What I meant to say was that the modest theatrical success of “Water Horse,” “P.S.,” “Alien,” “CWW” and even “Great Debaters” will make the future marketing of their respective dvds a lot easier for the studio(s) because they’ve already “established” themselves as brand names in the eyes of consumers. Even “Walk Hard” should acquit itself nicely in the long run thanks to the dvd market.
    While I still think the Coens pretty much have the “Best Director” (and probably adapted screenplay) Oscar(s) locked up, I wouldn’t discount “Juno” in the “Best Picture” race. It really is the most likable (and well-liked) movie in the running this year. And it’s commercial success only makes it look more like a “winner.”

  9. a_loco says:

    Jesse James was never gonna be liked by mainstream audiences.

  10. Botner says:

    Unlike LMS or even Sideways, Juno actually has a legimate shot to win Best Picture. Heck, when the dust settles it might be THE picture to beat, as I think that ‘No Country’ has cooled off a bit.
    Kudos to Searchlight. This will end up as their highest grossing film ever (topping Sideways) and could cross $100 Mil. Pretty impressive for an ‘indie’ film from a small studio.
    Although, what ever happened to The Savages? That one seemed to kind of peter out before it even got started.

  11. movieman says:

    Am I the only one who confused IFC’s John Lennon pic with the one starring Jared Leto that premiered at Sundance last January?
    Does anyone know whether the Leto-Lennon flick is ever going to open??

  12. anghus says:

    Im not saying Jesse James would have been a big mainstream hit, but how on earth did they not at least get Babel numbers out of it?
    Domestic: $3,880,717 31.9%
    + Foreign: $8,291,867 68.1%
    = Worldwide: $12,172,584
    Seriously, those numbers are an embarrassment.
    they made more money on a jesse james film overseas.
    possibly the worst release strategy in years.

  13. movieman says:

    I wouldn’t be surprised if “Juno” matches (or even beats) the domestic cume for Michael Cera’s summer sleeper, “Superbad.”
    Yeah, “Atonement” is hanging in there pretty well, but I don’t see it as any realistic competition for “Juno” or “No Country” at this point.
    And “Sweeney Todd” seems to be pretty much out of the running altogether (too bad).
    “The Savages” is a terrific film–with my 2 favorite performances of the year–yet it never managed to overcome audience perception that it was a downer. In the best of all possible Oscars, Hoffman, Linney, Bosco and Tamara Jenkins’ great script would all be
    nominated.

  14. CleanSteve says:

    AVP disappearing is the best thing that can happen for those franchises. And I say that as one of those fanboys who considers the Alien a sort of movie heroin fix. Like Michael Myers….I’ll see anything that The Shape or the Alien is in just to get a fix like it’s 1978, 1979 or 1986 again, even for 10 hopped-up seconds. Then it fades and I feel shame.
    Let these die or lay dormant until there is actual interest in doing something substantial with them.
    Saw Sweeny Todd today. Loved it loved it loved it. Never saw the show. Don’t like musicals as rule. But this hit my sweet spots like I never expected, much like Sleepy Hollow did (and still does.) Box offic wise, it was telling to watch a few people exit when the meat pie business started to really kick in. Oh well. I’m thankful Burton went for it with the blood, though. Man I had fun.
    And please god, let Timothy Spall be cast in every movie every made. Greatest face in movies today. Utterly charming and hilarious, even in gunk like Rock Star. Let him be the next Superman…Bond….Freddy Krueger. Whatever. I just love watching him.
    Chipmunks approaching $200 million is inexplicable to me. I’m 36. I loved them and the show when I was a kid. I’m as nostalgic as anyone. But yeesh….Horrible movie. But I gotta applaud whatever it is that Fox did to make it this huge. Rock on with that. My little girls loved it. That probably says it all.

  15. Botner says:

    Yeah, while I didn’t love The Savages, Linney seems to be getting overlooked. She was great and deserves to be nominated. Although I enjoyed Hoffman more in CWW than The Savages. If he is nominated, I’d like to see it be for CWW.
    ‘Jesse James’ is a headscratcher. Why they didn’t just open it wide or at least semi-wide right away (despite the fact that it’s not ‘mainstream’ like 3:10 to Yuma) is beyond me. Brad Pitt? Western? Seems to me they could have at least had a decent opening weekend and recouped some money before word got out that it wasn’t what people thought it would be.

  16. Botner says:

    Steve,
    Couldn’t agree more with you on Sweeney Todd. I generally cringe at the thought of Broadway style shenanigans in my movies, but I loved it. It’s a shame it’s not doing better, but it’s just too bloody for the Broadway crowd and too much ‘singing’ for the younger male demo.

  17. Rob says:

    I can’t get that upset about Alvin being a blockbuster because it’s not like it’s taking business away from, say, There Will Be Blood.
    But to those educated, functional adults who are flocking to National Treasure and I Am Legend but skipped Clayton, Gone Baby Gone, Zodiac, Into the Wild, Sweeney Todd, etc., I say, WTF?

  18. movieman says:

    Botner, I’ve been saying the same thing about “JJ” on these message boards for nearly three months now. It was a no-brainer to open a Brad Pitt western wide (particularly after the somewhat surprising success of another western, “3:10 to Yuma,” a few weeks earlier) and let the chips fall where they may. Sure, it’s too esotertic and “arty” to satisfy mainstream tastes, but the combo of Pitt/western/Jesse James could have at least gotten enough of them out of the house for a respectable opening weekend gross. It still blows my mind that New Line earned more coinage off Malick’s even more rarefied “New World” two years ago.
    And I’m pretty confident that PSH will score a (deserved) supporting mention for “CWW.” That and Sorkin’s script will be the only nominations it receives. But Hoffman really does deserve two acting nods this year: “CWW” in support, and either “Savages” or “Before the Devil” for lead. Poor Linney: she’s one of the most consistently overlooked great actresses working today.

  19. Filipe says:

    It’s pretty obvious that Warner really didn’t want Jesse James to make any money.

  20. “Chipmunks approaching $200 million is inexplicable to me. I’m 36. I loved them and the show when I was a kid. I’m as nostalgic as anyone.”
    You just answered your own query. You may not like it but surely kids are loving it.
    Doesn’t Charlie Wilson’s War remind anyone of last year’s The Good Shepherd. Quite a few big names, prestigious awards slot, “important” issues, perceived failure, roughly $60mil gross. CWW will surely get at least one major nomination (screenplay/supporting actor or both) unlike Shepherd, which only got an out of left field Art Direction nom.
    On Juno, my only problem with it’s possible best picture chances is that outside of picture, actress, screenplay what nominations could it rack up? I wouldn’t even put my money on editing, which is like some weird best picture prerequisite let alone best director. And while it’s all well and good for Driving Miss Daisy to win best picture, actress and screenplay without best director it also got makeup (won), art direction, costume design, editing and acting noms for Dan Ackroyd and Morgan Freeman.
    And, besides, that was about an old lady discovering “hey, racism isn’t cool”. Juno is about a precocious teenager who gets preggers and sprouts snarky dialogue. I can’t quite see the Driving Miss Daisy crowd going gooey over that.
    Having said that, it’d be a blast for Juno – hell, a comedy in general – to win best picture. I just can’t see it happening.

  21. Joe Leydon says:

    Kamikaze: I’m so glad the Internet wasn’t around back in the day when I confidently wrote (in a Shreveport, La. newspaper) that Annie Hall had no chance against The Turning Point for Best Picture, because comedies never win Best Picture.

  22. CleanSteve says:

    Agreed on Chipmunks, KamikazeCamel, which is why I closed my post with “My little girls loved it. That probably says it all.”
    the kids dig farting chipmunks. If I were 5, I would too. I don’t begrudge it’s success at all. It still just astounds me that it’s that big. But, as has been pointed out 1,000 times here, it’s got the marketplace all to itself. therefor dummies like me should just shut up about it’s success and move on to predictions of Cloverfield underperforming or something….
    The David Cross blog on why he did the movie is a great little offshoot. I’m glad he was straight with why he made it: work & $$. But I don’t think he had to defend himself at all. Mr. Show and his stand up CDs give him a lifetime pass with me.
    Alvin & the Chipmunks 2: Munk & Munkerer…with Timothy Spall as Theodore’s long-lost father….I’d be there.

  23. MattM says:

    The other big similarity between Charlie Wilson’s War and Good Shepherd is that both feature atrociously underdeveloped female leading roles. The big difference between the two?
    Charlie Wilson feels a half hour too short and is a pretty entertaining ride, all told, while Good Shepherd felt at least half an hour too long and was an interminable bore.

  24. jeffmcm says:

    I loved The Good Shepherd, but I only thought it was ten minutes too long.

  25. IOIOIOI says:

    Annie Hall is a shameful film that should be wiped from the record books. BEATING A NEW HOPE? REALLY? INCONCEIVABLE! Freakin old Hollywood. George made you pay as he was getting paid, that still does not make you and him squares. [points towards OLD HOLLYWOOD] You are on notice. You are on notice.

  26. brack says:

    I liked Juno and all, but Best Picture? While I think it has a good shot of winning the Oscar, I hardly think it’s the best movie I’ve seen this year. Overrated.

  27. I still can’t picture Juno getting director/editing noms and no way any other techs. If someone like JK Simmons sneaks into the list then I’ll believe something is “in the wind”, but as is a teen comedy with only pic/actress/screenplay nominations isn’t screaming BEST PICTURE to me.

  28. swordandpen says:

    “Annie Hall is a shameful film that should be wiped from the record books. BEATING A NEW HOPE? REALLY? INCONCEIVABLE!”
    Annie Hall actually was a far better movie than the clunkily-written and, to me, painfully-dated Star Wars. That was one of the few times the Oscars got it right.
    Although Close Encounters was better than both, but not even nominated which is hard to believe.

  29. IOIOIOI says:

    Painfully-dated? You are out of your fucking mind. Now go sit in the corner. SIT THERE! Close Encounters is a clunky film to this very day. So stop with your backward ass logic, sit in the corner, and suck on your thumb. Freakin internet people. Nevertheless; Camel, you need to remember that CRASH is a best picture winner. FREAKIN CRASH! I would gladly look more fondly on JUNO being a best picture winner than CRASH or that horribly dated and ridiculous EGO-INFLATING Annie Hall.

  30. Aris P says:

    Caught Juno last week. I laughed out loud a few times (mostly at Cera’s shorts), but also at some of Page’s lines, though I can’t really remember any of them. I think the writing was pretty good, though waaaay too in love with itself. Page was great (though those fingernails of hers….) Saw TWBB last night and I cant get it out of my mind, more than NCFOM. Day Lewis is mesmerizing. And that soundtrack – man oh man. Some of the shots though, with that music, was pretty darn Kubrickian, no?

  31. swordandpen says:

    Another intelligent response from IOIOIOI. Should I stand back while you rant and rave like a lunatic again while everyone laughs at you?
    Doesn’t surprise me though that someone who writes like you would find the notoriously awful dialogue of George Lucas passable, though.

  32. Chucky in Jersey says:

    once again, fox searchlight proves they know how to release a film.
    With name-checking in the trailer and one-sheet — “From the Director of ‘Thank You for Smoking’.” Anyone who likes to smoke crack will dig name-checking.
    Although, what ever happened to The Savages?
    Its release was delayed because it sounded too much like “Away from Her”. Then Fox decided to promote “The Savages” with Oscar-whoring.
    Jesse James was never gonna be liked by mainstream audiences.
    WB handled “The Assassination of Jesse James” as an arthouse release — I had to go into Bucks County to find a megaplex playing it.
    Speaking of WB, it plans a wide-release re-release of “Michael Clayton” on 1/18.

  33. martin says:

    Dialogue is beside the point in a SW film, and I disagree that is has not aged well. However, it is laughable as a BP nom. And it’s part of the blockbuster wave that has killed the artform. But on its own, it’s a great piece of entertainment.

  34. Joe Leydon says:

    [With name-checking in the trailer and one-sheet — “From the Director of ‘Thank You for Smoking’.” Anyone who likes to smoke crack will dig name-checking.]
    Well, Chuckster, judging from the grosses for Juno this weekend, I’d say there are a lot of crack smokers out there. Excuse me while I light up.

  35. Joe Leydon says:

    IOIOIOI: I often show Annie Hall to my film students. It still gets big laughs. Go figure.

  36. martin says:

    Agreed Joe. I’m not a big Woody Allen fan, but that film is his Lawrence of Arabia. It really takes an exceptional comedy to win best picture, and the reality is that we just haven’t had any in that league in decades. Though Apatow may be the most promising shot at it.

  37. jeffmcm says:

    Yeah, Chucky, I don’t see how you can use Juno as the newest example on your name-checking hit list. Do you not realize that, by acting like a one-trick pony, you have virtually no credibility?
    In other news, I think Close Encounters was the best movie of 1977 too. Followed by Annie Hall.

  38. L.B. says:

    Agreed on that, jeff. The biggest crying shame of that year was that Close Encounters wasn’t a BP nominee. I mean, really.

  39. Joe Leydon says:

    LB: Maybe this will scare you as much as it scared me. About three years ago, I showed some students a short fim by Francois Truffaut. To prepare them, I half-jokingly noted that Truffaut probably was still best known to Americans as the co-star of Close Encounters of the Third Kind. All I got in respone: Blank stares. So I had to ask: “How many of you have seen Close Encounters of the Third Kind?” Not one of the 20 students — all of them School of Communications majors, some of them budding screenwriters — raised a hand.

  40. L.B. says:

    That is very sad.
    But I always remember a special I saw on sci-fi films a while ago. They asked various makers and collaborators in sci-fi films which 70s sci-fi film would stand the test of time. No less than the voice of Darth Vader answered, “Without a doubt, Close Encounters. What it has to say surpasses anything else from the time.”
    I hope people who aren’t familiar with it find it. It’s filled with greatness. Just the air traffic contoller scene alone is one one of my favorite pieces of film.

  41. Joe Leydon says:

    I love Close Encounters,/i>. But, then again, how could I not love a film that claims Francois Truffaut is one of the few earthlings who’s wise and empathetic enough to comminicate with extra-terrestrials?
    It is a shame, though, that such a seemingly
    necessary film is unknown to so many people, even people who may be making tomorrow’s movies. It reminds me again of something David often tells us: We folks who regularly post on this blog are a sliver of a sliver of the general populace.

  42. Joe Leydon says:

    OK, if Spielberg can go back and do a director’s cut:
    I love Close Encounters. But, then again, how could I not love a film that claims Francois Truffaut is one of the few earthlings who’s wise and empathetic enough to communicate with extra-terrestrials?
    It is a shame, though, that such a seemingly necessary film is unknown to so many people, even people who may be making tomorrow’s movies. It reminds me again of something David often tells us: We folks who regularly post on this blog are a sliver of a sliver of the general populace.

  43. swordandpen says:

    “So I had to ask: “How many of you have seen Close Encounters of the Third Kind?” Not one of the 20 students — all of them School of Communications majors, some of them budding screenwriters — raised a hand.”
    Wow. I was surprised in film school years back when other students hadn’t seen certain movies, but even they saw Close Encounters. You’d figure they would be curious enough to see early Spielberg.

  44. Bennett says:

    Juno is overrated…..cute…but best picture….come on….

  45. Cadavra says:

    Just back from my Hawaiian cruise. Did y’all miss me?
    Coincidentally to Joe’s post, one day we were playing charades (hey, we had eight days at sea), and the staffer running the games–a British woman in her early ’30s, I would guess–asked us for more suggestions. Being careful to limit myself to titles most people would have heard of, I offered THE FRENCH CONNECTION. She replied, “What’s that?” We were all speechless (appropriate under the circumstances).

  46. L.B. says:

    What happened after you threw her overboard?

  47. Nicol D says:

    Joe,
    “Not one of the 20 students — all of them School of Communications majors, some of them budding screenwriters — raised a hand.”
    Sadly, this doesn’t surprise me. I too taught some film students recently and what surprised me was not so much what films they hadn’t seen, but the lack of open mindedness to understanding why they should see old films, say pre-1975.
    I can undertsand why someone might find Vertigo or some Hitchcock slow when they first see it, but to just flat out reject it because they are ‘old fashioned’ and from a ‘backward time’ seems banal to me. There was a real reluctance to try to connect the dots of cinema history.
    Weened on a constant diet of HBO, and modern films that depict graphic sex, language and violence, they seemed to put up a wall to anything old that didn’t have the same type of graphic nature. Not only was there a wall, but it was usually condescended to as irrelevant, old fashioned and trite.
    A great example is the wonderful scene between Cary Grant and Deborak Kerr in An Affair To Remember, where they kiss up the stairs and off screen so as to keep the intensity of the moment. It is a stylistic decision by Leo McCarey…not a moral one.
    Yet, they wouldn’t hear that. For them it was just further evidence of how ‘repressive’ and ‘uptight’ the fifties were as opposed to a stylistic choice that leads to more endearing art.
    Even a modern film like Blade Runner was too slow and not violent enough for many of them.
    Again, not all of the students were like this, but more than a few were. I was always suprised at what connected and what did not. Incidentally CE3K went over very well for me.

  48. Joe Leydon says:

    Something else to consider: I think we have reached a point now where films seem so disposable

  49. leahnz says:

    i didn’t know last month was the 25th anniversary, but i have ’48 hrs’ on dvd and watch it all the time, part of my 80’s collection that i turn to when feeling nostalgic, esp. for silly hair…
    i can’t believe anyone interested in movies hasn’t seen ‘close encounters’, my 9 yr old boy watches the dvd all the time, it is a true classic and everyone should be forced to watch it, tied to a chair with their eyelids taped open if necessary for fucks sake.
    i for one agree with joe, films in general are getting crappier and crappier, throw away experiences that you think about for about 10 mins afterwards…
    but why? no, really, WHY? is it me, am i no longer capable of seeing quality for what it is, or is there some inexplicable decline in film-making?

  50. martin says:

    Leah, I agree that there’s been a downward trend in quality, but a larger reason for this disposability is that film is competing with a lot more media than ever before. No big surprise then, that as the marketplace becomes more segmented, the distinctiveness of the product is diminished. No question, movies being made now will be remembered less in 25 years than we remember the movies made 25 years ago.

  51. IOIOIOI says:

    Swordandpen; you are a daffy bastard. Who lacks a sense of humour. I was clearly over the top. Get a clue… you daffy fucking bastard.
    That daffy bum aside; each generation has lost more and more pop-culture knowledge since Generation Y. Expecting or assuming that these kids would give a crap about some of these films is rather shocking. When clearly these kids are growing up in a world — where more and more — kids are more fixated on the RIGHT NOW then ever before.

  52. IOIOIOI says:

    Martin; uh flip that around. The movies right here and right now — will hold a lot of prominance for people in the future. You just have to realize that it’s not about you in this discussion but them.

  53. Joe Leydon says:

    IO: Even back when you were posting as the Life and Death Brigade, you were reveling in, if not celebrating, the willful ignorance of a younger generation. That is sad. You are sad.

  54. brack says:

    “It really takes an exceptional comedy to win best picture, and the reality is that we just haven’t had any in that league in decades.”
    Gladiator doesn’t count?

  55. Movies will be remembered from this generation, it’s just that unlike previous eras, the films that will be remembered won’t necessarily be the best and the most well-made.
    Annie Hall, just by the way, received Oscars for picture, director, screenplay and actress and was nominated for actor. It also received the DGA award and won at with the New York Film Critics. Juno? If Reitman gets a best director nomination I will be completely and utterly mystified and shocked.

  56. swordandpen says:

    IOIOIOI, you’re simply not funny if you’re trying to be and, considering you clearly lost it and spewed out a bunch of personal insults at me a few weeks ago, exactly why do you think I’m going to take anything from you as a joke? No one here’s laughing with you, just at you.
    Every time you post here, you display your childishness and add not a single interesting or original thought to the discussion. As Joe Leydon stated above, you celebrate and, in my mind, represent the willful ignorance of a generation. I agree with him. You are pretty sad.

  57. IOIOIOI says:

    Dipshit above me: you are a dipshit. There’s no discussing anything with you, but I will still make jokes with a supposed internet enemy. It’s how I roll Unlike you who personally attacked me, called me a drunk, and insult me as you do above.
    Nevertheless you and Joe are FULL OF FUCKING SHIT. Joe is a man who reviews for variety and runs a blog. He obviously has ZERO TIME NOR EFFORT to remember anything I have ever posted on this site under any fucking name. You want me to fucking use LIFE AND DEATH BRIGADE again Joe? Would that make you happy? You call me sad. When clearly you are the sad bastard in here that’s talking out of your ass. I do not represent anything that you stated or believe me to represent. So you and dipshit can stick it. If you want to have a reasonable conversation. Please try to refer to what I have posted and not what you BELIEVE I have posted. Seriously Leydon; take that shit and shove it right up your ass. I love film you narcissitic fuck. This does not change the fact that their are kids out there who could give a crap about Buster Lloyd, John Wayne, or Carol Lombard. It is what it is.

  58. Joe Leydon says:

    Truly sad. At least when he was Life and Death Brigade, he was occasionally amusing. But now? Sad. Tragic, maybe.

  59. IOIOIOI says:

    Joe, you get your ass hand to you on a daily basis by David Poland. Yet you still come back to this blog — day in and day out — to have Heat demonstrate how much MORE he is than you.
    Please try to work your mind games on someone else. Since you are a purposeful liar and have tried to sully my character. Go shove it you; David Poland’s Bitch Boy. Who knew such a grown and smart man… could be such a total bitch.

  60. Joe Leydon says:

    Way past tragic now. Kind of embarrassing, actually. The sort of spectacle that makes you want to avert your eyes. Go ahead, champ. Take the last word. I know you need it. It’s been all downhill for you since Gilmore Girls got canceled.
    On a different note: As has been noted elsewhere, the finals have Juno coming in at No. 2, not No. 3, last weekend. What effect, if any, does that have on its Oscar chances?

  61. swordandpen says:

    Once again, IOIOIOI, jokes are meant to be funny and have some level of wit. Not acting like an overgrown man-child ranting and raving like a lunatic. Anyone can look at the thread from weeks ago and know who started the personal insults.
    Learn how to talk to people and I won’t have to keep calling you out. If you can’t handle being around adults, go sit at the children’s table where you belong and suck on your pacifier.
    I told you before to act like an adult and I’ll start treating you like one. Otherwise, I will continue to make you look even stupider than everyone else here already thought you were.

  62. IOIOIOI says:

    Sword you are living in delusion land. While Joe continues to be nothing more than a bottom feeder that Poland smacks around everyday. You might think that you call me out, but you really are making yourself look bad. You cannot win. You can only make me beat you into the ground even more. You dumb bastard. Seriousily you bogus piece of shit — DO YOU READ WHAT YOU POSTED ABOVE? Fuck you, you pompus ass.
    Oh yeah Joe, it did not get cancelled. How a guy who works at variety does not know what happened, but I do. Goes to show you how shoddy that publication has become. It’s not the last word. It’s the final word you flabby bitch.
    Go fetch the shineboxes bitches.

  63. IOIOIOI says:

    You are such a stupid piece of shit, that I have to lay into you some more.
    “Once again, IOIOIOI, jokes are meant to be funny and have some level of wit. Not acting like an overgrown man-child ranting and raving like a lunatic. Anyone can look at the thread from weeks ago and know who started the personal insults.”
    No you daffy bastard. I was JOKING with you. You took it as an insult because you are dumb and lack the ability to read. Good on you for being so fucking pompus, that you fail to realize when someone is being silly.
    “Learn how to talk to people and I won’t have to keep calling you out. If you can’t handle being around adults, go sit at the children’s table where you belong and suck on your pacifier.”
    Talk? Come on dude. Post. Get a grip. Again you self-righteou fuck of a human being. Seriously, what kind of fuck do you have to be to respond to someone online the way you do? Are you a fatty that gets bossed around all the time? Are you a geeky bitch that needs an outlet? Maybe a guy in a bad marriage? Who knows? I do know that you come across as a bitch and I am once again ripping you to shreds. Remember: do not play. You seem to forget that you lack the ability to step to me.
    “I told you before to act like an adult and I’ll start treating you like one. Otherwise, I will continue to make you look even stupider than everyone else here already thought you were.”
    You are some piece of shit asshole that goes around TELLING PEOPLE what to do online. Seriously you daft git… re-read this part of your post.
    Good lord man; my keyboard is mightier than any sword, pen, or keyboard you can ever use against me. Go back into your hole. It seems to suit you better then civilized conversation.

  64. L.B. says:

    Where were we before this turned into this week’s installment of IOIOIOI vs. The Literalists?

  65. Joe Leydon says:

    IO: Don’t you remember what those nice doctors told you? That if you didn’t take your medicine, you’d have to go back to the hospital again?

  66. swordandpen says:

    L.B., I am not a Literalist. Other people are capable of talking like human beings to one another on this board. This whole thing started because people like IOIOIOI can dish it out, but sure can’t take it. He talks about civilized conversation, yet his posts consist of moronic “jokes” and cursing at other people who disagree with him. Yeah, civilized.
    IOIOIOI, you are a pathetic loser. As I said before, you need to act the way you do to deal with the obvious shortcomings in your life. Would you ever dare talk the way you do when face to face with someone? Doubtful.
    If this was supposed to be a battle of wits, you just never had the ammunition and you lost weeks ago with your public meltdown, which apparently you want to recreate now for everyone’s entertainment. You rant and rave like a lunatic, spewing insults and curses, while I (and most others) sit here and just laugh at you.
    I’ve got better things to do than to put you in your place again and the humor I get out of watching you make a total ass out of yourself is beginning to wear thin. Granted, I have to do little work since you pretty much tighten the noose around your neck with each post, but still, life’s too short to deal with this nonsense.

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It shows how out of it I was in trying to be in it, acknowledging that I was out of it to myself, and then thinking, “Okay, how do I stop being out of it? Well, I get some legitimate illogical narrative ideas” — some novel, you know?

So I decided on three writers that I might be able to option their material and get some producer, or myself as producer, and then get some writer to do a screenplay on it, and maybe make a movie.

And so the three projects were “Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep,” “Naked Lunch” and a collection of Bukowski. Which, in 1975, forget it — I mean, that was nuts. Hollywood would not touch any of that, but I was looking for something commercial, and I thought that all of these things were coming.

There would be no Blade Runner if there was no Ray Bradbury. I couldn’t find Philip K. Dick. His agent didn’t even know where he was. And so I gave up.

I was walking down the street and I ran into Bradbury — he directed a play that I was going to do as an actor, so we know each other, but he yelled “hi” — and I’d forgot who he was.

So at my girlfriend Barbara Hershey’s urging — I was with her at that moment — she said, “Talk to him! That guy really wants to talk to you,” and I said “No, fuck him,” and keep walking.

But then I did, and then I realized who it was, and I thought, “Wait, he’s in that realm, maybe he knows Philip K. Dick.” I said, “You know a guy named—” “Yeah, sure — you want his phone number?”

My friend paid my rent for a year while I wrote, because it turned out we couldn’t get a writer. My friends kept on me about, well, if you can’t get a writer, then you write.”
~ Hampton Fancher

“That was the most disappointing thing to me in how this thing was played. Is that I’m on the phone with you now, after all that’s been said, and the fundamental distinction between what James is dealing with in these other cases is not actually brought to the fore. The fundamental difference is that James Franco didn’t seek to use his position to have sex with anyone. There’s not a case of that. He wasn’t using his position or status to try to solicit a sexual favor from anyone. If he had — if that were what the accusation involved — the show would not have gone on. We would have folded up shop and we would have not completed the show. Because then it would have been the same as Harvey Weinstein, or Les Moonves, or any of these cases that are fundamental to this new paradigm. Did you not notice that? Why did you not notice that? Is that not something notable to say, journalistically? Because nobody could find the voice to say it. I’m not just being rhetorical. Why is it that you and the other critics, none of you could find the voice to say, “You know, it’s not this, it’s that”? Because — let me go on and speak further to this. If you go back to the L.A. Times piece, that’s what it lacked. That’s what they were not able to deliver. The one example in the five that involved an issue of a sexual act was between James and a woman he was dating, who he was not working with. There was no professional dynamic in any capacity.

~ David Simon