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BYOB – Peace Zone

I have had some computer issues, so I have just read the bloody mess around the fun conversation about the old HBO days when movies played 50 times and there were few other channels. (Homebodies, anyone?)
I will try to get it together on this end. Please use this space for good, not evil. Namecalling is weak, even when I feel the need to smack down a pompous regular now and again.
Be nice.

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37 Responses to “BYOB – Peace Zone”

  1. Hopscotch says:

    Speaking of HBO, I’m loving JOHN ADAMS thus far. the first three parts I would rate as exeptional well done, considering that most of the action of the series are men arguing different philosophical view points. The art direction and costumes are phenomenal, as well as the make-up.
    For the record I never caught Hanks’ other HBO series, From Earth to the Moon or Band of Brothers, so I can’t compare but I feel for that venue JOHN ADAMS is pretty top notch.
    All time favorite TV mini-series: Lonesome Dove.

  2. Me says:

    My parents are loving John Adams, though I’ll be waiting until DVD to watch it. From the Earth to the Moon was just okay, but I loved Band of Brothers. My old roommmates and I would break it out every six months to watch the whole thing through.
    Lonesome Dove was great, but watching it again recently, some of the production elements really suffered from the budget, and the pace was hurt by the serialized form.
    While I was in high school, I adored Stephen King’s The Stand.
    There’s a lot of good miniseries out there worth searching out.

  3. Noah says:

    You know what recent mini-series was really unexpectedly good? Sci-Fi Channel’s The Lost Room. I am not a regular watcher of Sci-Fi Channel’s programming (I tried BSG, but could never get into it) and I TiVod The Lost Room after reading an article that piqued my interest and man, that was six hours of pure fun.
    I also really dug From the Earth to the Moon, although some of the stories were better than the others. The one with Hanks as George Mellies was super corny especially.
    As for the recent John Adams, I watched the first forty-five minutes of part 1 and had a bit of trouble getting into it. I’m going to give it another go this weekend though.

  4. Mr. Muckle says:

    I don’t get HBO but my HDTV occasionally picks up what the neighborhood’s watching, though starts and stops are unpredictable. So clicking through to see what I might find last night, there all of a sudden were Paul Giamatti and Laura Linney in bed conversing about something. Yikes! Without any more context than that it could just as well have been an M. Night Shyamalan joint. Quick click away.

  5. Hopscotch says:

    part 1 has been my least favorite, Noah. I feel part II really is where it takes off.

  6. swordandpen says:

    Noah, I would second what Hopscotch says. The second part is when John Adams really comes alive.
    I’d also recommend Band of Brothers for anyone who hasn’t seen it.

  7. brack says:

    DP, this is war.

  8. Aris P says:

    Noah, thats a great point about Lost Room. It was a lot of fun, and well made. Didnt it end on a cliffhanger of sorts? I thought it was coming back.

  9. Noah says:

    Hmm, maybe I’ll just jump ahead to part II of John Adams then. The one thing I did notice, though, was how great Laura Linney is. She’s one of those actresses I take for granted and I’m always surprised by how wonderful she is. She never does anything too showy, but she always seems to be confident in who her character is.
    Aris, I think it ended on a semi-cliffhanger but I don’t know if it was ever supposed to be more than a mini-series. But I sure would love to see a sequel. It really did such a great job of creating a world and abiding by its own rules, didn’t it? I mean, it’s such a fantastical premise but it doesn’t shy away from it.

  10. IOIOIOI says:

    Heat: someone has to be Ben Linus because someone has to be the people on Widmore’s boat. That aside; the first episode of John Adam’s is tremendous. If you are a twenty something and find it too slow. It’s your generation. If that’s not it. I am puzzled at the dislike of an episode which establishes — in rather strong context — why Adams was such a proponent of INALIENABLE RIGHTS. It also has great SAM ADAMS AND JOHN ADAMS CONFRONTATIONS!

  11. Noah says:

    I simply found the first chapter to be a bit dull and cold; it had absolutely nothing to do with the pace (or for that matter, the craft which was impeccable). My favorite kind of movies are ones that are
    deliberately paced. Just because something’s intentions are noble does not necessarily make it captivating viewing.
    I’m willing, though, to trudge through the first part, confident that I will be grabbed further by the second.

  12. IOIOIOI says:

    Noah, I was just fishing for a reason. I simply disagree that the Boston Massacre, Adams defense of the British Soldiers (which pretty much established our justice system in more ways or not), and the Boston Tea Party are boring. The entire first episode establishes the reasons why Adams fought so strongly at the Continental Congress. Why do I feel this is another freakin ANH/EMPIRE situation? You at least like it. Huzzah for some young folks having a sense of history.

  13. jeffmcm says:

    IOIOI, I believe you are younger than Noah.

  14. Speaking of TV, I just got through Dexter season one in three days. I had planned to stretch it out because there’s so little on TV these days (AUSTRALIAN TV) since I’ve given up on so many shows (not because they’re bad, necessarily although some are, but just because they’re not good enough and I can’t be bothered watching Brothers and Sisters just because I can.) I ended up getting ill and bed ridden for a day and a half and voila. Next up I think I’m gonna try my hand and Battlestar Galactica.

  15. ManWithNoName says:

    Sorry to break the peace, but:
    “IOIOI, I believe you are younger than Noah.”
    is the kind of BS comment jeff got called out for by DP on the other thread.
    Way to stick to form!

  16. jeffmcm says:

    You’re pointing out an (allegedly) BS comment that I made and not pointing out any one of many BS comments that IOI made? Like the one that I’m specifically responding to?

  17. jeffmcm says:

    Let me put it this way: I apologize for being a shit-stirrer…but I am far from being one of the shittier posters in these here parts.

  18. crazycris says:

    hey KCamel! would be interested in hearing your take on Battlestar Galactica! in my view it’s one of the best things on TV lately! ;o)

  19. Jerry Colvin says:

    Ebertfest schedule was finally announced…. anybody going to this? I assume DP will make his annual appearance…

  20. ManWithNoName says:

    The irony of your posts is astounding. You are always first to accuse DP of taking a defensive, holier-than-thou stand (ON HIS BLOG!!) when someone points out a perceived flaw.
    What’s the difference between your initial post in this thread, and all the ones that came before it (even IO’s)? [Hint: substance.]

  21. IOIOIOI says:

    Jeff… again… you are not exactly a fan-favourite around here. If we were describing TOP HEELS. You would easily have a hand over me. It’s that simple, but thanks for trying to out duel me. When reall… you should not… ever… play.

  22. leahnz says:

    god will you guys give it a rest already, you are TIRESOME, take it outside.
    kam and crazy, i just wanted to put in my two cents and say i’m a huge battlestar galactica fan, but we’ve only had seasons one and two broadcast on tv here (video stores don’t have it to rent, at least the ones i frequent, and to buy the dvd set thru season 3 costs a small fortune) so i’m hanging out to find out what happens to the crew in season 3, i hope there’s some serious cylon ass-kicking

  23. Me says:

    I love parts of BSG. I kind of wish they’d stick to miniseries or movies, as they are good in short powerful bursts, but over 10- or 20-episode seasons, there’s some really draggy, poorly-written stuff. Generally, the season openers (in however many parts) and the closers are amazing, and everything else is hit-or-miss.

  24. IOIOIOI says:

    Everything else is hit or miss? [faints]

  25. brack says:

    LOL. I love BSG. every episode.

  26. Battlestar Galactica was a show I originally intended to start watching years ago, but I knew the network it was airing on wouldn’t keep it there for more than one season and I was right. After five weeks it had already been taken off the air. It’s been moved around so much that I’m surprised anyone is able to still watch it.

  27. brack says:

    There are “other” ways to watch the show. *wink* *wink*

  28. IOIOIOI says:

    There are ways to view TV these days. Camel; you might want to check out HULU to see if it’s available for your country. That might be the best way to catch up on BSG.

  29. PastePotPete says:

    “i’m hanging out to find out what happens to the crew in season 3, i hope there’s some serious cylon ass-kicking ”
    Wow are you in for a ride. Some of the best moments in the entire series happen in 3. Action-wise and character-wise.

  30. repeatfather says:

    Wow, I just checked out the schedule for Ebertfest, and it’s disappointing. “The Real Dirt on Farmer John”? I thought it was OK, but it wasn’t exactly a probing work of journalism – it was more a well-done hippie commercial for community-based farming. And I also thought it was pretty clear John was playing up his “flower child” persona for the cameras.
    And also Ang Lee’s “Hulk”? Really???
    I actually loved the first two parts of John Adams. I thought the first part was fascinating to see how he struggled to do right in the Boston Tea Party trial. The third part was boring for me – In stead of subtitling it “Don’t Tread on Me,” it should been called “Ben Franklin Fucks 100 French Whores. .. In a Row”

  31. Brack, while many others don’t give a rats arse, I actually really hate downloading tv shows and movies. I’ve done it, but only when things haven’t been available to me such as Planet Terror (only released on DVD two weeks ago), or episodes of The Closer after it got taken off the air after six episodes and replaced with CSI reruns. Even if shows are on what you call cable (which I don’t have, Australia’s “cable” is very different to Americas) I will buy the season box sets or rent them. Plus, I like having the pretty boxes.
    Although, ahem, to be completely honest I download enough music illegally (although I have 1000 perfectly legal CDs too so whatever) to compensate.

  32. brack says:

    Camel, I don’t like it either. but my sister is a huge BSG fan, and has bought the seasons, so I didn’t feel bad about it, as I would’ve just watched hers anyway. they’re also all available at my public library for free.

  33. movieman says:

    The cd I’ve been listening to the most lately–now don’t laugh, guys–is Jack Johnson’s “Sing-a-Longs and Lullabies for the film ‘Curious George.'”
    It’s actually pretty genius stuff: the best soundtrack for a kid ‘toon since Harry Nilsson scored “The Point” for ABC back in the very early ’70s.
    Johnson’s “Upside Down” not only deserved an Oscar nomination for Best Song, it should’ve won.

  34. Jack Johnszzzzzzzzz
    Sorry, that man makes me snooze.
    Brack, I don’t have a problem with borrowing somebody else’s or hiring them from video stores/libraries. Just downloading or getting illegal copies. My moral compass is askew.

  35. doug r says:

    Watched the first season of BSG, but I had a real problem with the soap opera pacing. Give me some closure almost every week, please.
    That said, I did catch an episode after the invasion-and that episode about the bomber was brilliant! Why does the best political commentary have to be made in Canada?

  36. brack says:

    You’re not going to get complete closure from a show like this, it ain’t CSI or something of that nature. Every episode builds from the last.

  37. movieman says:

    Different strokes, Kamikaze, lol.
    I finally broke down and ordered a copy of Johnson’s “Curious George” soundtrack from after reading all of the rave reviews for his new cd because they reminded me how much I loved the songs in “CG” (I even stuck around for the closing credits just to hear “Upside Down” in its entirety).
    Not saying I’d buy a ticket to a Jack Johnson concert–or even buy any of his other cds–but his “CG” songs, er, lullabies are frigging awesome. And I think Nilsson’s “The Point” score is a perfect comparison; and companion piece.

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It shows how out of it I was in trying to be in it, acknowledging that I was out of it to myself, and then thinking, “Okay, how do I stop being out of it? Well, I get some legitimate illogical narrative ideas” — some novel, you know?

So I decided on three writers that I might be able to option their material and get some producer, or myself as producer, and then get some writer to do a screenplay on it, and maybe make a movie.

And so the three projects were “Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep,” “Naked Lunch” and a collection of Bukowski. Which, in 1975, forget it — I mean, that was nuts. Hollywood would not touch any of that, but I was looking for something commercial, and I thought that all of these things were coming.

There would be no Blade Runner if there was no Ray Bradbury. I couldn’t find Philip K. Dick. His agent didn’t even know where he was. And so I gave up.

I was walking down the street and I ran into Bradbury — he directed a play that I was going to do as an actor, so we know each other, but he yelled “hi” — and I’d forgot who he was.

So at my girlfriend Barbara Hershey’s urging — I was with her at that moment — she said, “Talk to him! That guy really wants to talk to you,” and I said “No, fuck him,” and keep walking.

But then I did, and then I realized who it was, and I thought, “Wait, he’s in that realm, maybe he knows Philip K. Dick.” I said, “You know a guy named—” “Yeah, sure — you want his phone number?”

My friend paid my rent for a year while I wrote, because it turned out we couldn’t get a writer. My friends kept on me about, well, if you can’t get a writer, then you write.”
~ Hampton Fancher

“That was the most disappointing thing to me in how this thing was played. Is that I’m on the phone with you now, after all that’s been said, and the fundamental distinction between what James is dealing with in these other cases is not actually brought to the fore. The fundamental difference is that James Franco didn’t seek to use his position to have sex with anyone. There’s not a case of that. He wasn’t using his position or status to try to solicit a sexual favor from anyone. If he had — if that were what the accusation involved — the show would not have gone on. We would have folded up shop and we would have not completed the show. Because then it would have been the same as Harvey Weinstein, or Les Moonves, or any of these cases that are fundamental to this new paradigm. Did you not notice that? Why did you not notice that? Is that not something notable to say, journalistically? Because nobody could find the voice to say it. I’m not just being rhetorical. Why is it that you and the other critics, none of you could find the voice to say, “You know, it’s not this, it’s that”? Because — let me go on and speak further to this. If you go back to the L.A. Times piece, that’s what it lacked. That’s what they were not able to deliver. The one example in the five that involved an issue of a sexual act was between James and a woman he was dating, who he was not working with. There was no professional dynamic in any capacity.

~ David Simon